BGHP* does not think we have a "tackle football" team

Submitted by Tha Stunna on

You can see the whole post at http://www.blackheartgoldpants.com/2010/10/10/1742174/does-michigan-eve… .  I'm just posting a response here as sort of a dual link + response post.

"b.  Football is not about rolling up gaudy statistics, other than the endgame numbers on the scoreboard and turnover-takeaways, because by that measure, Kirk Cousins did not improve his standing v. Denard Robinson.  Query: which quarterback do you want running your offense if you fall behind, today? "

Denard Robinson, because he's a better quarterback.  As a pure pocket passer, he's obviously worse at the moment, but as a complete quarterback he's still better.

Also, "gaudy statistics" (a loaded term) are not meaningless.  "Yardage differentials" and "career statistics" have predictive power over the long run and correlate with future performance.  Scattered exceptions do not negate the rule.

"I can't tell, but is this even tackle football?  This is how you win flag football. But tackle football?"

Being dismissive of speed is pretty stupid.  Denard, the one-dimensional freshman edition, had a fair amount of success on the ground against Iowa last year - and this year he knows how to pass.  The difference between a 20 yard gain and a 60 yard gain is often speed.  When mistakes turn into touchdowns, it is a lot worse.  Sure, our team is bad at tackling, but that doesn't mean our offense can't score points or that we don't know how to play football - ask the five teams we've beaten this year.

"b.  Michigan failed to tackle anyone in the broken field with any authority, even when MSU backs were carrying the arms and torsos of Michigan defenders.  To paraphrase Tyler Sash, earlier this week, they "guard", they don't tackle.  I suspect that is because they "guard" all spring and summer, when they are playing their own.  It is the inverse of our O-Line having to compete with our D-Line in camp.  Surviving against those monsters means that you have prepared against the best in the country.  Surviving against Denard means that you never learn to hit, control the LOS, tackle, or intimidate.  Basically, Michigan doesn't play defense.  They are playing some other game that I haven't seen before.  I don't know what it is.  But it isn't major college football."

An odd take, although I'm not happy with Michigan's tackling as usual.  That will continue to be a problem throughout the year.

"Iowa can lose this game, but Michigan should not be able to win it. "

False.  The most likely scenario for a Michigan win is indeed a positive turnover margin, but the classic scenario of an explosive Denard scoring lots of points while the defense does just enough to win is still out there - it just got less likely after the MSU game.  Iowa does not have a good offense.  Adam Robinson has about the same stats as the (unfairly) maligned Vincent Smith, and I was quite unimpressed by Adam Robinson last year.  It's possible that Stanzi's love of country has caused him to stop donating passes to defenders, but I'll believe he's a good quarterback when I see it - which I might, sadly.  All this will probably look bad when Iowa gashes our defense this Saturday, but Michigan's defense makes a lot of offenses look good.

"Michigan has six games of defensive nightmares, and now we're in week seven, in the Big Ten, and they are attacking the LOS with three D-Linemen?  How many years do you think will pass, after Robinson is scapegoated and relieved of duty, before we see a Big Ten DC play football in October with three down linemen on first down?  Who will take my bet that Michigan does not play a 3-3-5 next year?"

Is there a better way to express an argument than to ask a series of rhetorical questions?  How do people even consider this an argument?  Isn't it obnoxious to bury your assumption that Robinson will get fired within a rhetorical question?  Does this series of rhetorical questions prove my point that rhetorical questions are annoying?

"Does Michigan have a middle linebacker who is going to cover the deep middle in their cover-2?  When Iowa is running play-action and releasing Allen Reisner and Brad Herman on the verticals, their corners are rotating up to the flat, and our slots are springing corner routes?  What are they going to do?"

Michigan does not, and Iowa will gain some yards.  I don't  have a response here...

"Will Michigan's quick and conditioned O-Line even get to the second-level to spring Denard?  The game is over if they cannot."

The game does hinge on the Oline giving Denard room to make some big plays, and they will push Iowa's defense around a lot.  Clayborn and the rest will cause some problems, and I doubt we will see as much passing until Iowa stacks the box and makes it easier.  In particular, the deep ball isn't going to show up very much at all.

"I expect to see Baby Jesus Tate Forcier make a frantic return to the field sometime late Q3.  Think about that: the most prodigious quarterback in decades may well be replaced before the fourth quarter, provided Iowa plays assignment football and demonstrates (as we should) total physical mastery."

Uh, no. The time for that would have been against MSU.  It's unlikely that RR will put Tate in, even if Denard is performing terribly, given how Tate performed against Iowa last year.  You can think about it all you want, but that isn't going to happen short of an injury.

"On balance, there is no single position at which Iowa suffers physical or schematic disadvantage, provided the game played is tackle, not flag, football."

This statement is wrong and you know it's wrong.  Denard > Ricky Stanzi.  We have a great OL and we have a great slot receiver.  Mike Martin is a DL that any team would love to have.  We both know Iowa looks like a better team overall, so don't exaggerate to make your point.

And a special section for this topic:

"A-Rob will have a bullseye on his forehead and his back, and the refs had better police the dirty stuff."

No, that's not how Michigan plays.  You obviously are letting your hatred blinding you to how this team and all Michigan teams function.  Later on, in the comments:

"So I hope we take that seriously, and I hope RichRod doesn’t do the West Virginia thing and just put a bounty on ARob’s knees. I am most concerned about that. RichRod is playing for his job, RichRod has major character issues, and I don’t put it beneath him."

Again with the hatred.  Where are these character issues that have shown that RR will order dirty hits on players?  You can't show them, there's no basis for them, and it's not like the players would blindly follow orders for that sort of thing anyways - these aren't MSU players (or Indiana fans...).  Rich Rodriguez has lost games due to the injury of his best player; if he was the horrible person you make him out to be, he would be winning some extra games and offing other team's players with some frequency.  These are just the delusions of a person who hates Michigan**, which are particularly bad when this shows up earlier:

"It would be pleasurable but unlikely for Denard to be blind-sided a couple of times, for good measure."

Oh really?  If you meant for Denard to get sacked, you would have said that, so what does this mean?  It looks like you're just finding it "pleasurable" that your team, which you presumably hold to a higher standard, might injure Denard.  Maybe this is just poor word choice, but have the decency to hold yourself above your perception of the RichRod standard.

 

BGHP: You're a good blog that I actually read regularly, so why do you bump stupid crap like this to the front page?  As a delusional fan post it's fine, but tacit endorsement of this ill-informed trash is beneath you - and this is coming from someone who reads and enjoys your blog.

 

*It's a fan post that's bumped to the front page, meaning at least one of the actual bloggers endorses it.  I'm pretty sure that BGHP is popular enough that they don't need to just troll for web traffic.

**Based on the stupidity of this and previous posts by the same author, there's a faint possiblity that this is satire.  If so, this is the best job of staying in character this side of Stephen Colbert, because this person just looks like an unusual dumb Iowa fan to me.

StephenRKass

October 11th, 2010 at 4:45 PM ^

I am sick of shots at RR about character. He is a great coach, and has been unfairly maligned. No way he would ever tolerate, let alone instigate, cheap hits on another player. I'd rather lose a game than win because we "take out" someone who's a great player.

And I can't get why someone would want to see Denard hurt either.

HeismanPose

October 11th, 2010 at 5:04 PM ^

This is America.  If you are successful at your job and, through hard work and innovation, earn a better, higher paying job, you are not supposed to take it.  If you do you are a douchebag. 

I wish I had a dollar for every ridiculous claim I've heard about our coach this week.  He orders cheap shots, he yells at players (the horror!), he shuts off hot water in the visitor's locker room after losses (really? really).  

Also, I wonder if BHGP has sililar thoughts re: Oregon and Nebraska. 

Bodogblog

October 11th, 2010 at 5:00 PM ^

1) Bo actually said he wanted a smash-mouth offense so that it would make his defense tough.  You play yourself more than you play anyone else, and the O style will dictate your D style.  Hard to argue this point. 

2) But then we played outside of the B10, lost many a bowl game, and more recently spreads and running QBs shredded us.  Absolutely shredded us.  Tackling and speed problems predate RR.

My useless take: I think the front 7 on D has to be smash tough, especially the line.  Martin, RVB, Banks, and Roh get their fill every day in practice go against our line, I've no doubt.  And it doesn't seem likely the issues with the LB's or the tackling problems are due to practicing against the spread.  Florida/Texas/other have done it just fine for years. But what the hell do I know?

loosekanen

October 11th, 2010 at 5:00 PM ^

If anyone around here is getting upset about what is written on BHGP you're just being foolish. It's a fantastic blog, probably second-best in the Big Ten imo, but it is less analytical and more pathos than this blog. I find it hilarious, if a bit childish.

But the stuff they post for the most part should be taken as serious as your average RCMB post.

jlvanals

October 12th, 2010 at 11:23 AM ^

But I still think we have to take any ribbing based on our atrocious defensive play because it is Indiana-level atrocious.  If this guy really is that pathological about hating us, well then we should shut him up by not getting assraped by Iowa's tight ends and/or defensive line this year.

Commeeee onnnnn turnovers!

Phinaeus Gage

October 11th, 2010 at 5:10 PM ^

"Just win, baby." Little brother, BHGP, Buckeyes. They'll all go away quietly when we beat them. Until then, get used to it. We probably have another year or two to put up with this until our defense is up to speed.

GBellanca

October 11th, 2010 at 6:26 PM ^

I'm quoting Chris Brown who is quoting your man and using his pictures.  The title of this study was:  "How do you beat Cover 2 with trips?  Let me count the ways."  Anyway, the problem remains.  

Iowa plays quarters and attempts to lower the pressure on the safeties, while admittedly demanding much more of the SAM (Greenway, Eads, now Nielsen).

Don

October 11th, 2010 at 5:22 PM ^

Based on what I saw from my seat in the Big House, this is only a slight exaggeration, unfortunately. It won't improve by Saturday, either.

MGoRob

October 11th, 2010 at 5:29 PM ^

BHGP's readers love bashing Brian.

Here's a few recently stated comments:

Well that explains it. I don’t read anything Michigan related. All I know about him is that he thinks 3/11 = half.

such an idiot that he is lord of the most-trafficked single-team college football blog in the interwebs

Which is just about as reliable as Brian Cook’s math skillz.

But they don’t seem to shotgun the kool-aid like Brian cook

on a meta level, and in breaking down what is happening. It’s his unwavering, no questioning allowed , rampant excuse-making approach to RichRod that bothers me

Except Brian is a dope who confuses fan-typing with sports writing. If RichRod fails, which is, actually, very possible, what with his idiotic sacrifice of a high school baby jesus QB, weekly, because this is the Big Ten?, he has zero credibility. I believe he called the last game UM by two. UM winning by two. Close game, well-matched competitors. (from 2009)

My personal favorite:

One of the sharpest minds for football in the sports commentariat coupled with the absolute worst of internet homerism.

jwschultz

October 11th, 2010 at 6:37 PM ^

Do you keep this list on your bulletin board next to the "People I Hate" list?  I have spent 15 minutes just trying to find these comments so that I could understand them (well, it's easy to find the comments themselves but I have no context and nobody backfills that in the game threads).

Anyway, in fairness to the "most-trafficked single-team college football blog" commenter, I think that was a sarcastic response to somebody who was serious about calling Brian an idiot.

But, what the hell is all this math stuff about?  I've noticed that "Brian thinks 3/11 = half" and Iowa is 3-8 in their last 11 trips to the Big House, but I feel like I'm 2/3rds of the way through A Beautiful Mind and I'm just arbitrarily combining numbers that I noticed on various pages of BHGP.  Can anybody connect the dots for me [without ending up in a shack in the woods]?

PS - I'm not impressed by the commenters, but the 10 minutes I've spent reading old BHGP threads makes me hope the site redesign might get put back on the table here. Seems like a more economical use of space is possible.

MGoRob

October 11th, 2010 at 7:08 PM ^

Yeah, sorry, they're really all over the place but I didn't have the time to completely spell out exactly what each conversation was about.  Their comment section makes it difficult to copy and paste.  And I don't have forever and a day to sit and do that.

The 3/11 comment was about a post Brian made stating that Iowa lost over half its starters.  And BHGP claims only 3 starters left, so hence, the 3/11 = 50% comment.

You can read more about it here:

http://www.blackheartgoldpants.com/2010/8/17/1626877/youll_see_what_you…

It even comes with a fun picture:

jmblue

October 11th, 2010 at 9:09 PM ^

In fairness, I'm pretty sure the second one is intended to be praise.

As for this one:

If RichRod fails, which is, actually, very possible, what with his idiotic sacrifice of a high school baby jesus QB, weekly, because this is the Big Ten?, he has zero credibility.

What does this even mean? 

bronxblue

October 11th, 2010 at 7:11 PM ^

Seems like a dumb post to push to the front page, but BGHP is a good football blog so we might as well cut them some slack.  This is one fan's rose-colored opinion of a game, and I'm fairly certain a UM blogger could craft a similarly rant-like post if he or she wanted to.  My guess it would go something like this.

for (int i=0; i<1000; i++)

cout << "Stanziball!" << endl;

followed by some comments about Iowa being lucky last year and wondering if their equipment boy (who is the backup RB) will be available once Robinson gets steamrolled by Martin. 

This is fandom, and outside of the fact that the post probably should not have been front-paged, I'm okay with it.