Better Pro WR - Funchess or Gardner?

Submitted by Black Socks on

Let's hear your thoughts.  They both have the talent.

Get Jim Harbaugh

December 10th, 2014 at 2:31 PM ^

OK, this is just plain silly. Clearly Funchess has more skill and talent as a WR. Are you forgetting that Gardner played QB almost his entire football life? He had a whopping 266 yards and 4 touchdowns in 2012.

UMaD

December 10th, 2014 at 4:39 PM ^

He never beat one on one coverage on those plays and caught a very low percentage of balls thrown his way.  The stuff he did catch he was wide open on (poor coverage). In traffic, he was horrible at adjusting to balls and fighting through contact.  The guy is NOT a natural at the position.  He has as much potential at safety as at WR.

He has a nice catching radius -- so do Jaron Dukes and Manute Bol. He is adequate, but not exceptional speed.  You can't just turn any very good athlete who fits the prototypical bodytype into a WR.

 

UMaD

December 10th, 2014 at 2:45 PM ^

Funchess is an NFL TE if he ever learns to block (he can).  Not fast/quick enough to be an NFL WR. He'll get shut down.

Gardner could be a NFL QB if he has a time machine and enrolls at Oregon, Wisconsin or one of his other impressive offer lists.  Damn shame about all that happened.... the guy is NOT a WR though.  That position takes years of skills development and/or natural instincts that Gardner does not possess.  I believe he'll be very successful outside of football.

Denard would be a better WR -- and he is not a WR.

Gallon is better than both -- and he is not in the NFL.

Coldwater

December 10th, 2014 at 2:36 PM ^

Devin Gardner doesn't have a future in the NFL...he'll put his degrees to great use and be and outstanding representative of the University of Michigan. Best wishes to him in whatever he chooses to do.

MadMonkey

December 10th, 2014 at 2:36 PM ^

tryout as an undrafted free agent.   The guy is smart, athletic, learned the WR position quickly, and is one tough dude.

Funchess has shown he may be deficient in a couple of those categories.

 

JBE

December 10th, 2014 at 2:41 PM ^

Call me crazy, but I still think DG will have a shot at QB. Give him a few years to learn in the NFL and work on his reads and accuracy and he would be solid. I still think one day he'll be a starter in the NFL.

JT4104

December 10th, 2014 at 2:45 PM ^

I'd bet Chip Kelly would take a flyer on DG in the 7th rnd or bring him in as a UFA for camps. As far as WR goes for DG that would be interesting to see as he would have to put in major work compared to guys who have already been at the position for years. One thing we know about DG is that there is no question the kid is tough enough to put the work in.

APMGoBlue

December 10th, 2014 at 2:46 PM ^

I don't think you deserve the downvotes, it is a fair question on a boring day, but to each his/her own.  I would love to see both make it at WR, and think DG will be given a shot as an unrestricted free agent (Funch will obviously be drafted)... but realistically neither is likely to be great in the NFL.  I hope I am wrong.

taistreetsmyhero

December 10th, 2014 at 2:51 PM ^

had very similar criticisms levied against him coming out of college, and the dude is having himself a very solid rookie campaign. I don't know if I agree with Brian that Funchess will go late first round, but I think he will find good success in the NFL if he lands on a team with a decent QB.

hazardc

December 10th, 2014 at 2:53 PM ^

I think Gardner could POSSIBLY play QB if he's given more time to develop , spends some time like DROB recooperating from his injuries... i really think DG could play a few positions if given the opportunity.... hope someone scoops him up. Probably won't see the field for a while, but it's obvious he has been hobbled... Does he have the ability to return to being as athletic as in the past? I hope so. 

 

 

Schmozerine

December 10th, 2014 at 3:38 PM ^

I was hoping Phili would have picked up Denard... Crazy potential there. Just one season please.

Gardner - he has had some nice games but given the coaching he has received up to this point I just don't know if a team can be patient enough to give him the time he requires to fundamentally change. It would take a lot for him to do what is necessary for a QB in the league.

WR on the other hand could work out just not in Phili.

bluewoody

December 10th, 2014 at 3:08 PM ^

Sorry, not trying to inflame the board, but I don't see Devin Gardner playing quarterback in the NFL, or any other position. If he makes a team, God bless him but I just don't see it. Hoke and Gardner both parallel each other in the sense- everyone says they just didn't cut it BUT are great human beings. Best of luck to them both.

JHendo

December 10th, 2014 at 3:16 PM ^

I don't think anyone here or elsewhere is projecting him to the pros as a QB.  He's had success in a small sampleset as a WR, has the body and raw athleticism for the position, and if he lands in the pros, that's most likely where he'll be.  You seem to be in agreement with plenty on here that the pros just aren't for him, that very well may be.  I think he gets a shot for a year or two at the position but that it doesn't pan out in the end.

Mocha Cub

December 10th, 2014 at 3:15 PM ^

I think Gardner is a better pure athlete than Funchess and has way better hands. I think if a franchise picked Gardner up and had the patience to work with him (like the Jags have with Denard), then this could end up paying off in the long-run and he could be a decent NFL receiver. I think that Funchess will always struggle with catching the ball consistently. It's not like Funchess is really that more physically "gifted" in terms of weight/height. Gardner is listed at 6'4 and 216 lbs, Funchess at 6'5 and 230 lbs according to mgoblue.com.

TrueLT

December 10th, 2014 at 3:32 PM ^

I don't see why Gardner can't go out and be given a chance in training camp at QB, he was a train wreck for us but the talent is definitely there and I think with some time to regain his composure and a strong OL he might not even be that bad. Seriously.

HarbaughorBust

December 10th, 2014 at 3:38 PM ^

So Denard gets worked out as a WR/RB and now Devin will be worked out as a WR.

 

Is there another team that has won anything significant (any bowl game or conference title being significant) in the past 4 years, who went through 2 starting quarterbacks, neither of which worked out as a quarterback in their pro-day or combine?

That should never happen at a school Like Michigan.  

I don't care who our next coach is, but in 4 years, if he went through 2 QB's who didn't even work out as a QB at the next level after graduating, we'll be right back where we are today.

goblue81

December 10th, 2014 at 3:43 PM ^

If Funchess learns to catch, then its not even close - Funchess has too much size/speed to not be effecitive - IF HE CATCHES THE DAMN BALL.  Otherwise, he'll be hanging out with Braylon on Sundays.  However, Devin with just a speck of training as to how run routes and adjust to the ball has the athletic ability to be a Jason Avant type - reliable 10+ year pro.  He is superb athlete - moreso than people often give him credit for.

WolverineInCbus

December 10th, 2014 at 4:23 PM ^

He needs to do a lot more than just learn how to catch. He should start with finding some work ethic. He didn't care about his team and it was obvious. He was lazy when catching the ball and lazy when running his routes. He better learn how to work hard or he will be s massive waste of potential in the league.



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goblue81

December 10th, 2014 at 7:13 PM ^

Oh, I agree with you 100%!  But a WR that can't catch - the other stuff doesn't really matter.  He really should have stayed to be honest.  He needs the maturity, some good coaching (for effort, route running, etc... like you stated), etc...  He may just end up being 'ol Stone Hands and that will be the death knell at the next level.

charblue.

December 10th, 2014 at 3:42 PM ^

Gardner will be evaluated as a quarterback and advised whether he would have a better pro future as a qb or wideout. Teams make all kinds of assessments about this. Both Gardner and Funchess have the one thing you can't teach, height and size. They are big guys in a big guys game. If Gardner has issues, some team wll take a flyer on him and see if he might have growth potential as a quarterback.

Funchess will get drafted mostly on the strength of physical capbabiiity and potential to develop.

His draft status will rise and fall between pro day and combine workout performances and how he grades out in predraft scouting.

Even if these guys aren't burners, if they demonstrate the ability to catch the ball consistently in traffic, they will be given more than a look. Funchess is a work in progress, attitude and abilitywise. In certain areas, Gardner is ahead of Funchess in both ability to perform at multple positions, physical and mental toughness.

Funchess will have to decide based on his draft evaluation of physical skills, size and speed where he's projected as a receiver, tight end or wideout, most likely a possession guy. Funchess case is primarily linked to getting his head straight about being a professional and what that actually takes. You must practice well and block or you just don't play.

 

HarbaughorBust

December 10th, 2014 at 4:10 PM ^

Gardner will be worked out as a QB only to throw Funchess passes. (If Funchess lets him.). I'll be shocked if a pro scout evaluates Gardner as a QB. If Gardner has a future in the NFL, it's at WR. I would hope someone is advising him to prep for a WR workout in his free time and remove all thoughts of being a QB at the next level. Assuming the next level is what he wants.

hazardc

December 10th, 2014 at 3:50 PM ^

DG has the highest single game record in UM history, for passing yards.

 

 

I don't care against which team it was. He was playing under Hoke, out of his own element, and before he had taken 800 hits from piss-poor protecton. 

 

 

You can scoff all you want, but plenty of quarterbacks at UM have had the chance to set that record against plenty of cupcakes. DG has it. 

 

Also has the highest single game total offense record. 

 

 

Let's get one thing clear, DG did NOT SUCK until he was beaten into a pulp.  I'd like to see someone else play under the pressure he did and make it out alive. I mean, we saw what happened to Morris in one drive...... DG took those hits consistently for years.

 

 

 

jmblue

December 10th, 2014 at 4:34 PM ^

You can scoff all you want, but plenty of quarterbacks at UM have had the chance to set that record against plenty of cupcakes. DG has it.

Actually, I'd argue that few U-M quarterbacks have ever had a chance like that, having a pass-happy gameplan against a badly overmatched defense.  We had to keep airing it out in the 2013 IU game because of our own defense's inability to get stops, and our weak running game. Borges also favored the downfield passing game more than probably any other OC we've had.

Historically, when we've faced a defense like Indiana's, we've been able to win while passing only around 20 times.

It's a nice stat for Gardner to hold but doesn't really tell me much about how good he was, or could be in the pros.  College stats aren't too predictive of pro production in general.

SFBlue

December 10th, 2014 at 4:22 PM ^

Funchess, if he can bulk up and improve on his blocking skills, could be a Pro Bowl tight end.

Gardner lacks the speed  and agility to be an NFL receiver, right?

charblue.

December 10th, 2014 at 4:41 PM ^

look whether he's NFL qb worthy, consider that Brady was drafted in the sixth round and he had all pros blocking for him at Michigan. Being in the game and competing is about attitude as much as physical skill. That is why DG is an NFL prospect, because of great character and competitive desire. Mix that with his physical size, he's taller than Brady, can run faster and mentally tough, I say he gets an NFL look at qb. Maybe not drafted at the position, but definitely a look.

Again, he will be advised about his options. And the fact is, he has them. He played two positions in college, and a lot of running qbs get switched to other spots in the pros. Hell, Olinemen can be tackles in college and wind up as centers in the NFL. Versatility is a good thing and being a qb means you were trusted with carrying out gameplans and you know, winning games regardless of team's win-loss record. That accounts for something.

Funchess is a guy who grades out on measureables and in his case size matters in his draft poisition as much as potential to develop. His problem is lack of national exposure in bowl contests and postseason all-star games. As an early entry, he's not eligible for most all-star games.

 

bronxblue

December 10th, 2014 at 5:09 PM ^

I would hope Funchess is better since, you know, that's the position he's been playing, to some extent, for years.

I actually think DG will be given a decent chance at QB; he's a better QB than he showed at UM this year, and his de-evolution from fringe all-conference QB to whatever that was, sadly, follows the trend we saw with QBs under Hoke at UM.  He wasn't great, but provided he gets healthy again I could see him being a steal as a flyer. 

XM - Mt 1822

December 10th, 2014 at 5:26 PM ^

on attitude alone.  funchess is a malcontent waiting to pollute a locker room.   DG is the same height, same or better hands, better moves on fly (funchess only runs straight), and will learn the routes 10x faster.