Best In-State Rivalry list? Per ESPN

Submitted by Geneticblue on

Yesterday on College Football Live, ESPN made a list of the best in-state rivalries and debated where BYU vs Utah would fit in.  Notably missing from this list was Michigan vs Michigan State as well as Georgia vs Georgia Tech and a few other notables.  Where do you feel that the Michigan vs Michigan State rivalry lands in college football?

ESPN's list:

Alabama vs Auburn

USC vs UCLA

Florida vs Florida State

Oklahoma vs Oklahoma State

Oregon vs Oregon State

South Carolina vs Clemson

 

Making this worse was the fact that it was delivered by Joe Tessitore, whos spray-tan, botox'd forehead and absurdly white teeth seriously bother me.  I am waiting for the day that they let Samantha Ponder run the show again. 

MgoRayO3313

June 6th, 2013 at 10:51 AM ^

That is the same way I have always tried to view our rivalries. To me state is more significant than ND because of the conference. However, to me at least there is a huge gap between state and ohio. State is a rivalry. ohio is an uber-rivalry. Although I disagree with the majority of state fans I can generally tolerate them. I personally cannot stand ohio or their off-color, generally ignorant fan base of loyal minions. To me at least that's the main difference in the magnitude and scale of our rivalries, of which only one is in state.

MGoblu8

June 6th, 2013 at 11:37 AM ^

I've been to several FSU vs. UM games and it gets nasty. The problem is that there are still usually 10,000 empty seats in Dolphins Stadium. One year I mentioned something and people from both sides blamed the weather (it was a torrential downpour), but it's never been full any time I've been there.

MgoRayO3313

June 6th, 2013 at 10:41 AM ^

I really do not consider state vs Michigan that great of a rivalry. It is a big game yet Michigan wins around 2 out of 3. The same could be said for Bama and Auburn, despite how fired up their fan bases get. I guess the best in state rivalry to me is one that has swung back and forth a few times like Florida Florida state, Clemson SC, etc. The majority of these games our just traditional rivalries that people are.listing so that when the conferences realign and these games are lost you have the.ability to tell your great grand kids in 2050 that this two instate schools were once big time rivals.

Owl

June 6th, 2013 at 10:42 AM ^

There are waaaayyy more MSU threads than OSU or ND threads on this site. MSU is our biggest rival in 2 out of our 3 revenue sports. MSU recently won our game 4 years in a row, and the game this past season was very, very close. The ND series is coming to an end soon. Many of you try to make the distinction that you respect OSU but not MSU, so that OSU is a rivalry but MSU is just an annoyance. But presence of respect is NOT a prerequisite to a rivalry. I hope those of you that make comments about MSU not being a rivalry are just joking, because otherwise you're being ridiculous.

MgoRayO3313

June 6th, 2013 at 11:15 AM ^

I think most Michigan fans do have some respect for state, even if they do not want to admit it. However, it is not he same respect warranted towards ohio for several reasons.

1. Gateway to B1G title: it seems like 9 times out of 10 the one who wins "The Game" is the title winner/now playing for the title, barring sanctions.

2. Timing: the fact that "The Game" is the last week of the season sets it up to be more important, even more so the last 15 seasons with the BCS system.

I agree with you 100% about the fact that state took for in a row and Michigan fans should be outraged, however, the sentiment seems to me at least that since we finally got the monkey off our back last season and we are tearing into state on he recruiting trail again, the consensus seems to be that things will go back to normal in a short time. I'm not saying that feeling is justified, but that seems to be most people's feelings. State will soon fall back into obscurity.

On the other hand their is talk (and a lot of talk from talking heads and he espn hype machine) that a new ten year war is beginning. The rivalry with ohio can be solidified as 100% healthy with a Michigan win at home in November.
Despite the fact that we may (questionably) be bigger rivals with state in the other two major sports is almost irrelevant when football is as big and as tradition rich as it is here at Michigan. Despite the fact that our basketball team was extremely successful they do not have the most all-time wins nor have hey been playing 134 seasons. It may not be fair but football dominates the scene and therefor your largest rivalries stem from there. I could be wrong. I fact I could be way off-base. However, I do believe the majority of fans would agree.

MGoStrength

June 6th, 2013 at 10:52 AM ^

Sam is smokin hot, but less call a spade a spade.  I'm sure she's more fake than him...colored hair, fake tan, botox, whitened teeth, etc.  I bet she does just as much of that as he does if not more.

Geneticblue

June 6th, 2013 at 10:55 AM ^

....maybe...but who would you rather look at?  The switch happeened a month ago and College Football Live hasen't been the same since.  I can take an overload of SEC news when its delivered by her and not the guy who takes every opportunity to rip into everything B1G related

Wolverine 73

June 6th, 2013 at 10:54 AM ^

Ignoring ties, SC has a winning percentage against UCLA of about 61%; Oregon's is 56%; Alabama (surprisingly) only 54%; Florida 61%; Clemson, 67%; Michigan, 68%.  But Oklahoma has a winning percentage of 82% over OK State.  My view is that when one side dominates a series that dramatically, it devalues the concept that it truly is a rivalry.  I would put Michigan-MSU above Oklahoma-OK State for that reason alone.

All Day

June 6th, 2013 at 11:08 AM ^

Living in Utah now, I can safely say that Utah-BYU is an enormous rivalry. The two schools/coaches/fans/players legitimately HATE one another, and they games usually come down to the end or some sort of crazy play.

Is SC/UCLA really that big of a deal? I would think Stanford/Cal, KU/KSU, Ole Miss/MSU, UT/TAM, FSU/Miami would all be better. L'Ville/UK and Duke/UNC if it's basketball.

funkywolve

June 6th, 2013 at 11:23 AM ^

It used to be.  Back in the 70's when the Big Ten was the Big 2 and Little 8, the Pac-10 wasn't that much different.  From about 67 - 80, I think only 3 times was someone other than USC or UCLA in the Rose Bowl - Stanford 2x and Washington once.  Granted, USC went quite a bit more than UCLA.

As the fortunes of both programs dipped in the 90's, the rivalry lost some luster and being on the west coast it didn't make the national spot light as much.  The rivalry has also seen each program go on long winning streaks - UCLA in the 90's and then USC in the 2000's under Carroll.

 

All Day

June 6th, 2013 at 12:40 PM ^

I knew SC/UCLA was a bigger deal in the 70's and 80's, but I'm a child of the 80's so I don't really remember it. My thing is that UCLA wants to be a basketball school, as evident by their lack of financial committment to facilities and coaches salaries.

Elmer

June 6th, 2013 at 11:09 AM ^

The problem is that UM-MSU was not much of a football rivalry from 1968-2007.  It's only heated up after the Dantonio and RR years where Sparty won 4 straight. 

For the rivalry to continue being relevant, State is going to have to keep winning some games.  Easier said then done now that Michigan is on rise.

RayIsaac91

June 6th, 2013 at 11:12 AM ^

My view is that ever since the Big Ten got into direct competition with ESPN (Fox owns 49% of the BTN), the Big Ten is mentioned as little as possible on all of the Disney media outlets. 

Mr. Rager

June 6th, 2013 at 11:16 AM ^

When I was a freshman at UofM, I had no idea that Sparty took football so seriously.  It was just another game on the schedule to me - like Iowa or Minnesota.  

I get it now, though, for two reasons:

1) All the MI families that are split between the two schools and the rivalry that causes

2) The RR years were so bad, and so bad against MSU specifically... that the win in 2012 definitely felt extra special.

 

MidnightBlue

June 6th, 2013 at 11:27 AM ^

This is because most experts in the nation don't view MSU as a real threat, like Dantoni does...  its that simple....  this is a good thing.

MGoClimb

June 6th, 2013 at 11:54 AM ^

The rivalry we have with MSU is indeed a rivalry, it just doesn't belong at the top of the national in-state rivalry list.  When Alabama and Auburn play, or Florida and Florida State, the game draws a lot of attention nationally.  When Michigan and MSU square off, it's pretty much those who are invested in the success of one of the teams.  

Perkis-Size Me

June 6th, 2013 at 12:00 PM ^

UM vs. Lil Bro is a good rivalry, but I wouldn't put it on the same planet as UF vs. FSU or the Iron Bowl, much less the same list. UM vs. MSU has never garnered more than regional attention simply because we dominated the rivalry for decades and MSU doesn't really have much of a national appeal or following.

Don

June 6th, 2013 at 12:11 PM ^

from everything I've ever heard about that rivalry it's pretty intense, although naming their yearly game "The Apple Cup" makes it sound like a spelling bee. I wouldn't put it in the top five, but I think it belongs in the top fifteen.

As for USC-UCLA, I've never gotten the impression that UCLA fans get particularly crazy about football. I would put UM-MSU ahead of that one.

EGD

June 7th, 2013 at 10:05 AM ^

The thing about the Apple Cup is, both UW and WSU have been pretty bad teams for quite a while now. That has sort of made the Apple Cup more important to the two teams because the winner can say, "yeah, we only went 4-8 last year--but we did win the Apple Cup!" But nationally that isn't going to be all too impressive.

Darth Wolverine

June 6th, 2013 at 12:35 PM ^

The M/MSU rivalry isn't that big of a deal. It only has been lately because they won four in a row (thanks to Rich Rod of course), but after we crush them in East Lansing this year, things will go back to normal. It's only a big deal to Sparty fans.

Team 101

June 6th, 2013 at 12:37 PM ^

If you measure the rivalry by how intense the rivalry is in the state where the schools are, I think the U-M and Moo rivalry is as intense as any of them with possible exceptions of Alabama-Auburn, Florida-FSU, South Carolina-Clemson, Texas-Texas A&M and Marshall-WVU.

If you measure the rivalry by how intense the rivalry on a national scale it doesn't get that much attention because U-M has Ohio and Moo gets no respect nationally - it's been equated wtih Ball State. That's why we are not on the ESPN list.

I question the inclusion of USC-UCLA and Oregon-Oregon State.  I don't think any west coast rivalries are intense enough to put on this list.

The list would also be different if it weren't limited to football.

energyblue1

June 6th, 2013 at 4:24 PM ^

Virginia, Vatech, Washington/Wazzu..Oregon/Oregon St,  Cal Stanford, zona / asu and others.

 

Best instate though is Bama, Auburn for intensity...  but overall I can't think of a great instate with the competitive balance of good great programs. 

tbeindit

June 6th, 2013 at 4:44 PM ^

Jokes aside, I seriously think a lot of people underrate the Michigan - MSU rivalry.  If you're using national relevance, I will agree, UM/MSU shouldn't be on the list, but it's not like a lot of these in-state rivalries have been that relevant.  Sure OK-OSU and Or-ORS have been good the last couple of years, but were they really that interesting beforehand?

Along with that, how many of these rivalries are competitive?  Aside from UF-FSU, how many of these are close every year and pretty closely balanced?  USC-UCLA?  UT-A&M? UA-AU?  I just don't see it.  The fact is that a lot of the critisms of UM-MSU completely apply to the vast majority of the other rivalries as well.

I'm all for not just looking at the last few years, but the rivalry has also been pretty competitive, featured close games, and some pretty good teams that were nationally relevant in the last few seasons.  There's no doubt this hasn't been the case over the rivalry's history, but that should at least mean something.  Also, the pure hatred of this rivalry is incredible.  I think you can make a good case that these two schools hate each other as much as UM-OSU.  Clearly, not as good of a rivalry, but the hatred is definitely there.

One final note.  The one criticism that is 100% valid in my eyes is the fact that MSU is not Michigan's top rival.  That's a pretty good reason to put some of the other ones above this one, despite the points I listed above.

tbeindit

June 6th, 2013 at 4:44 PM ^

Jokes aside, I seriously think a lot of people underrate the Michigan - MSU rivalry.  If you're using national relevance, I will agree, UM/MSU shouldn't be on the list, but it's not like a lot of these in-state rivalries have been that relevant.  Sure OK-OSU and Or-ORS have been good the last couple of years, but were they really that interesting beforehand?

Along with that, how many of these rivalries are competitive?  Aside from UF-FSU, how many of these are close every year and pretty closely balanced?  USC-UCLA?  UT-A&M? UA-AU?  I just don't see it.  The fact is that a lot of the critisms of UM-MSU completely apply to the vast majority of the other rivalries as well.

I'm all for not just looking at the last few years, but the rivalry has also been pretty competitive, featured close games, and some pretty good teams that were nationally relevant in the last few seasons.  There's no doubt this hasn't been the case over the rivalry's history, but that should at least mean something.  Also, the pure hatred of this rivalry is incredible.  I think you can make a good case that these two schools hate each other as much as UM-OSU.  Clearly, not as good of a rivalry, but the hatred is definitely there.

One final note.  The one criticism that is 100% valid in my eyes is the fact that MSU is not Michigan's top rival.  That's a pretty good reason to put some of the other ones above this one, despite the points I listed above.

BeileinBuddy

June 6th, 2013 at 5:20 PM ^

U-M/MSU would hold more weight if it was played the final week and if it determined the conference champion or division champion but since neither of those happen on a yearly basis, not making the list isn't that egregious.

Mr. Yost

June 6th, 2013 at 5:29 PM ^


Alabama vs Auburn

Florida vs Florida State

USC vs UCLA

South Carolina vs Clemson

Oregon vs Oregon State

Florida State vs Miami (FL)

Michigan vs Michigan State

Oklahoma vs Oklahoma State

BYU vs Utah

Cal vs Stanford

Georgia vs Georgia Tech

Marshall vs W. Virginia

Washington vs Washington State

Colorado vs Colorado State

Arizona vs Arizona State


...in that order. Athlough, I'm sure I left some games off. I will say that I would like to see Pitt play Penn St. every year in the a big non-conference game. I also think that UCF/USF will become a good rivalry in the new AAC (War on I-4).

 

aratman

June 6th, 2013 at 6:55 PM ^

Like McDonald and Ruth Chris Steakhouse.  Yes they both serve food, but one is good and one is full of people who have attended Michigan State.

Stonecoldwolv

June 6th, 2013 at 6:56 PM ^

USC/UCLA that high? It's been so one sided like mich/osu. Oregon and OSU while I like watching it is one sided. Osu has only won 6 games since 1994. In state rivalries are tough because they are regionally based. Georgia/tech are up there as well as Texas vs Texas a&m even though they don't play anymore. When they did man it was exciting especially at A&M. Michigan vs little brother. Top 5 idk. Cause anybody could put a list together and depending where you are from can influence it.