I know we've had some good classes that are in the top 10 and top 5, but damn our class is stacked.
Peppers at 10, which seems low.
but i just want until signing day to see how it turns out based on stars right now. I'm impatient and cant wait years, months sounds better.
Heck, I'll let you know in three months.
We have 4/5 spots left, and that could seriously change my opinion, one way or another. I agree that we won't know for a few more years on how well they translate to the college game, but for a recruiting class, I think we'll have a much better idea of how good this is - on signing day, when our class is complete. We still have a chance to finish strong.
The smallest possible time we could know is about 15 months. If 22 of these kids beat all of the upperclassmen out of their starting positions and take the team to the National Championship game, then we can say they are the greatest class ever. If they manage to do it without one of them getting caught taking $250,000 from a gambler while bitching to Mitch Albom that he can't afford to buy a hamburger from McDonalds, then they will really be the best class ever.
In other words, ask again in five years.
yup, lets fast forward to 2016
F that, I'll just be older and fatter by then! Although being a michigan football fan will be more fun.
it doesn't have Charles Woodson in it.
My guess is we'll find out in roughly 5 years.
only time will tell, but I do not think it is or will be we had some great classes under Lloyd Carr and some great players also. But I can say it is the best since Lloyd left without any questions imo.
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It is pretty much impossible for it to be a fab 25 considering 11 play on each side. There is no QB in this class as of now, so does that mean we will be running a wildcat offense?
There is also the chance that some of the highly touted guys not living up to their rankings. It happens in every recruiting class.
I'm really excited to see how we finish off this recruiting class. I already think it is a good class, but it could be special depending on who we close the class with.
You took more time posting a comment then ignoring it if it bothers you so much.
If we add Banner, Garnett, and/or Murphy, Diamond, Peat. You will see the best offensive line recruiting class ever to step onto the University of Michigan.
At this point there is no way that we get Muprhy. He is most likely staying west and last I heard Oregon and Stanford were leading.
If we were to get any of those recruits, I would say we have the best chance at Garnett. He is probally my favorite out of that bunch.
I like Garnett a lot too. He could step in and start at right guard next year. If the coaches are serious about only taking 6 o-linemen, i'm willing to bet he's at the top of their board.
Maurice Williams, Jeff Backus, Jonathan Goodwin, and Steve Hutchinson in the same class. Tough to beat that.
as others have pointed out, we've had some amazing classes in the past.
i believe it was during the year we got antonio bass (what happened to that guy?) that we had 9 (!) recruits in the rivals top 100.
Antonio Bass, career ending knee injury as a true freshmen. phenomenal talent, phenomenal kid. I don't know if he graduated or where he is at today. A very sad and tragic story. I hope he is well. I was really looking forward to watching him just burn fools. He was Denard level talent.
I work with Antonio, and he is doing great by the way. He is a great guy, and has e-mailed me to talk Michigan football, even though he just met me as a fan. Antonio still follows the team real closely. He is using that UM degree and is doing well, just a phenomenal person.
I don't want a large FarvaI I want a liter of cola
You can switch that to an upvote still. And welcome to the family of basic mgousers.
....if, as seniors, these kids gets to a BCS title game after some excellent seasons before that.
God looking at those names makes a tear come to my eye. I can't wait for the days that Michigan is competing for a chance to play in a title game. I know it will happen but if I had to guess it will probably be 2015-2016 with Shane being a jr and the current class as seniors.
How everything pans out. But honestly, I could see us doing really well in 2-3 years. With this class as sophomores and juniors, and DG at the helm, I think we could do great things. Then after Gardner graduates we will have Morris to take over. We have some good football seasons ahead of us
I think 03 was based on signing day and draft day results.
I think we need to add some WRs and a RB. We have great recruits at every other position, but Shane Morris and a stud RB would be unstoppable.
No, with the caveat that if they win a National championship, we can reassess.
1995 with Charles Woodson, Tai Streets, Tom Brady, Rob Renes, Marcus Ray, David Bowens, Josh Williams, Daydrion Taylor, Aaron Shea, and James Hall will be next to impossible to surpass. The greatest defensive player in the history of the program, the best pass rusher in the history of the program, plus the program's most successful NFL QB ever, plus the core of the team that won 32 games in three years from '97-'99.
The '98 class was ranked #1. It didn't turn out quite as well because it was balanced more towards skill players and the two best recruits (Fargas and Henson) didn't finish their eligibility.
I think this class will be just below those two if we land a couple of stud WRs.
... that was a damn good class.
/ thinking fondly of the '98 Rose Bowl
/ shakes fist at Nebraska
wasn't Griese a part of that class, too? Or was he '94?
Wasn't Griese a walk-on?
I think that he was a walk-on in 93, actually, but don't quote me on that.
You shed a tear in the Dantonio household, better get ready for a week of eating liver and lima beans til you toughen up.
When you're busy recruiting nationally, no time for that sissy business.
Now you might think im about to cry here:
but i assure you
i was not shedding a tear. And our players don't cry either when they get their hands punched by a lineman's face or their wrist twisted by a guy's facemask. That's spartan football and if you don't like it, turn off your TV set. We don't need your communist ass watching us play. Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go reset our countdown clock. Win versus that other school in the state next year and thats 10 straight years we won or lost by less than 3 plays. Watch your boy Rich's football banquet and tell me who's crying.
You should apologize, like a trillion times.
by overall skill: absolutely not. I have to believe that in the grand history of michigan football we've had just ridiculous classes at some points.
The most highly-celebrated Michigan recruiting class I remember was the 1998 class, which had the following players:
That's a pretty solid class, but it's only 18 players. Out of those 18, I would say that Henson, Terrell, Waker, Cross, Fargas,* Joppru, Dubuc, Curry, June, Howard, Hobson, Foote, Petruziello, Rumishek, and Lazarus were all significant on-field contributors, so that is 15 out of 18 (83%). Several of those players were legitimate stars.
The 2011 class looks like it will have 25 or more players in it, so it will be quite disappointing if at least 15 of those players do not make significant contributions, or if a few of them don't become star players. If 83% of the 2011 class turn out to be significant contributors, then you are talking about 21+ players. I imagine it has been a very long time since UM has signed a recruiting class in which 21+ players became major on-field contributors.
What about foote?
That was a pretty amazing class. By today's ratings, Henson, Fargas, Terrell, and Walker would be considered locks as 5* guys. That was basically a modern day USC class.
The #1 QB, #1 RB, and #1 AND 2 receivers that year.
We have to get back to those days.
(BTW, love your list of the Woodson class..not ranked as high, but hard to match for impact).
Let's at least wait until the LOI are signed
This is no time to be rational, Mr. Rainonourparadepants.
Nope. If we got payton, wright, thompson, garnett and 1 other 4/5 star then it would be pretty close, but still probably not the best. As good as this class is it doesn't have an elite "skill" player. I think it would have needed Shane Morris in this years class along with another arguable #1 receiver/wr. With that said, his class does cover our needs very well.
Hell no. 1995, as stated below by many, was the foundation of the epic 1997 season. '95 is the greatest class ever. EVER.
There will be an argument only when this class provides 2 heisman trohoy winners and 3 NFL hall of famers.
is that not reasonable?
We won't know for a long time whether this is the best class. It has to translate to lots of victories on the field, hopefully a national championship.
This would be our best, but too bad friggen Michigan State is recruiting nationally and will put our class to shame!!
You didn't lay out the criteria. Is it "best results during and after college" or "best job getting a highly touted class"? I'd argue that the first is obviously more valuable, but they might take the same amount of skill to close.
I don't have enough points to start my own thread. A blind couple at my church heard I like College Football and asked me if I could download the Michigan Fight Song for them. I don't have it, but would like to fulfill their request. Finding an mp3 copy has been harder than I thought. Would anyone mind helping me out? Reward involves good karma points from a Spartan.
For $.99 you can search "The Victors (Trio)" on iTunes. It's about thirty seconds long, and that's what gets played during games. The other thing you can do is search for a YouTube to mp3 converter and just find a video that has good sound quality.
If you dont have iTunes, you can go on Amazon MP3 to download it, but I would go with youtube to mp3
I have a feeling we will be discussing a thread like this several times in the Brady Hoke era.
I sure as hell hope so.
Big Ten Championship or bust!
Desmond and Elvis to Michigan was pretty damn good.
Theres two ways to judge it. 1. Based upon rankings and 2. After the fact evaulation. This class isnt even close in category one and obviously we have to wait several years to get an idea of the second criteria. This is a good class but I dont think comes close to most of the 90's classes, not to mention the old days when we could just take tons of players before the scholarship limits. I see this class finishing about 5-8 once the top level 5 stars shake out unless we just get tons of steals.
In 2002 we had the #1 ranked recruiting class according to ESPN with Woodley, Prescott Burgess, Shawn Crable, Leon Hall, Jake Long, and Clayton Richard..
Didn't turn out to be the best group of talent we've ever had, but it was the #1 ranked class.
A nice reminder to temper our expectations.
EDIT: Also a nice reminder that ESPN rankings are rediculous. Rivals had us at #17 for that class.
Class he could
Same goes for any class
97 was moellers team
We are still living the Carr era
Wait until we have Denard's twin sons in 2040, with their sub 3.0 40-yard dashes and rocket (literally - we have surgery for that by 2040) arms. THAT will be a recruiting class up there with the team of NBA "stars" used in Space Jam.
You'll LOVE "Robinson to Robinson".
I've been following football recruiting since about 1986. I was a long-time subscriber to SuperPrep and Tom Lemming's newsletters.
Michigan's had the #1 class several times. Top five classes like this one? Lots and lots and lots of times.
Echoing the fact hat we won't know how good this class is until a handful of years form now but we need to add a stud RB and WR to round out this class on the offensive side of the ball. It certainly has all the potential...
The most important thing with this first real class for Hoke is filling it up with linemen on both sides of the ball. It's not as sexy as bringing in a bunch of skill guys but it paves the way for future dominance. Then the Shane Morris class the following year might be the one that gets you a bunch of hyped up skill players. Hoke is definitely going about things the right way, the key right now is finishing strong on the field. Win 9+ games and the recruiting momentum should only add to our already impressive recruiting class.
Obviously, we have to wait 5 years and see how all of these guys pan out, but from a pure Rivals/Scout numerical ranking I think the 1998 class would be the only one that could compare to 2012.