Bench clearing brawl in Purdue-Indiana baseball game
Purdue-Indiana quickly approaching MSU-Indiana for most intense rivalry in the B1G.
Multiple players have been ejected. The umpire was injured. It was nasty.
This thread is useless without a video.
That's incredible! Wish I did this when I played.
aren't even fighting. They're just hopping around for no apparent reason.
Well, now that you say that... I see what you're saying...
Seriously, I've never seen anything like that. What the hell was that!
Boiler up bitches.
Professor X/Wolverine318/Wolverine319 "I don't give two craps about Purdue" sports.
My old nemesis. We meet again. It is amazing how much you love me. I love you too.
This is excellent. OMG Shirtless, debate him via GIFs! I'll upvote both of you. A little public interwebs tussle is just what this thread needs.
It just happened on BTN. I don't think there are any videos of it yet.
Did the mascots get into it?
The posts in this thread just speak to the popularity of college baseball.
When I am not watching either Purdue or Michigan, I am a gamecock fan. Time for the gamecocks to defend their back to back titles.
Sigh, I'll be the bad guy here......no one cares.
And that really is a shame. Michigan has a great baseball history. 35 B1G Championships, 8 B1G Tournament Championships, 2 National Championships. A relatively new stadium (2008).
Hopefully Dave Brandon can make a good hire so the team can get back to dominating, and pulling in big crowds.
I think that people care about Michigan baseball. We just don't care about much of the rest of the Big Ten, baseball-wise.
I mean, nobody cares that he's a fan of South Carolina. It was random how he brought that up.
Nobody cares that nobody cares that I care about Michigan, Purdue, and South Carolina.
I am a peacock damn it. You gotta let me fly!
Indiana doesn't have a mascot so the Boiler dude wouldn't have anyone to fight anyways.
His name is Perry.
That "slide" was pretty damn dirty
Don't stand on the tracks when the train is coming through. Boiler up!
shut the fuck up
Shoulder to knee. Completely unnecessary.
You're not sliding into home with a catcher in full gear. That a defenseless third baseman trying to catch the ball for a tag and he could have broken that guys leg the way he slid. Dirty.
Don't block the base then. If the Indiana player is going to be a whiny little prissy boy about, he could've stayed out of the way of a player trying to reach the base. It looked like the Purdue player was actually trying to pull up on the slide and accidentally hit the Indiana player's leg, which was a good 2 yards in front of the base. Indiana guy then started the fight by trying to act like a tough guy and stand over a guy on the ground. Last time I checked baseball allows contact when a player is blocking the base.
I like your style there, Herm. That slide didn't look malicious. It looked like the Purdue player was trying to pull up because the Indiana player was blocking the base.
Then the Indiana player acted like a Grade A moron. He was just pissed he didn't block that throw from the catcher.
The Purdue player clearly went into his knee intentionally. That was an extremely dangerous play, completely on purpose.
Also, by the time there was contact, the Indiana player had the ball and was tagging the Purdue player so where he was relative to the base isn't that important. He can be blocking the basepath halfway between second and third for all anyone cares--if you want to get to the base safely, you need to avoid the player, not kill him.
That third baseman was way out of position for a tag. Terrible position. He put himself in danger. There's a reason only the catcher blocks the plate. Equipment. And you can't be halfway up the base path. If you interfere with the runner's path in any way, the runner gets the base. It's up to the defensive player to avoid the runner as long as he's in the basepath, not vice versa. It's in the rule book, homie.
Umm, yeah, none of that is the case if you have the ball, as was the situation here.
Not true. It doesn't matter if you have the ball or not. The runner is entitled to the basepath and entitled to the base, and it's the defensive player's choice to take a beating, or get out of the basepath and get in a safer position to make the tag. Why do thing it's a valid play to run over the catcher? If you block the base, the runner is not obligated to slide around you, whether you have the ball or not.
That dude was up the line, blocking the base. He got drilled because he was in an unwise position, then he got pissed because he's an idiot.
NCAA Rule 8.7.3 says "The runner must attempt to avoid a collision if he can reach the base without colliding." Flagrant or malicious contact, which I would say this definitely is, also merits an ejection according to the rules.
In fairness, I had been writing thinking "blocking" was an exageration--thinking the fielder was actually decently to the inside of the base. When I re-watched the video, the player was blocking the base more than I had originally thought, but it was still definitely possible to avoid the collision. You're also definitely right that the fielder put himself in a very poor position, but the batter still needed to avoid him.
It could certainly be argued, but I think the argument would lose 95+% of the time. First and foremost, I think the collision can be avoided by sliding to the outside of the bag.
But even without that portion of the rule, there are two other requirements for the collision to be "unavoidable": the runner must attempt to reach the base and the runner may not attempt to dislodge the ball. He was certainly also going for the base, but I think you might be able to win an argument (not as convincingly--let's say 30-50% of the time) that he was attempting to dislodge the ball (he didn't really go for the ball itself, but if he's just going for the base, he slides at the players feet not dives for the knees). It doesn't apply here, but to give an idea of where the benefit of the doubt goes, any contact above the waist is trying to dislodge the ball by definition).
I would also presume that umpires would take the type of collision into account. If there's a play where the decision is debatable, a slide that appears intended to injure the opposing player seems likely to tip the scale. After all, "unavoidable" doesn't mean all forms of contact are allowed: even if all conditions are otherwise fine, any contact above the waist in this situation automatically counts as interference.
From my perspective (which is not trained in any way, so there's always a decent chance that I'm totally wrong), the only reasonable debate for the umpires is between whether the player is out and whether the player is out and ejected.
Let me add, after watching it again, that the Indiana player was in the same position while the Purdue player took four steps and then went for the knee. The only plausible way he needed to avoid the Indiana player at the last second is if he was paying absolutely no attention to the play while he ran. Additionally, he had a the best chance of avoiding the tag if he went to the outside of the base--instead he went straight at the defender on the inside.
That is the dumbest thing I've heard all day.
Video within this link.
Nevermind... video answered all my questions. Delete.
It's over Purdue wins the BTT and heads to the NCAA tournament. I'm sure that some of the players will be suspended next weekend in the regional.
I can see why there was a brawl. First of all, the runner could have ended the third baseman's career by taking out his knee like that. Also, they could have realized how little it means to play at either Indiana or Purdue and decided to take out their frustration on each other.
"Career" is a strong word for an Indiana athlete in any sport except for basketball...
Might as well start referring to good intermural players as having "careers" then.
Indian't and Purdon't
If I was the Indiana 3rd Baseman, I would have decked that Purdue baserunner too
Yawn...Typical baseball "fight"; some pushing & shoving, lots of yelling, some pointing... yawn. See the big Red Sox/Rays "fight" recently, same "exciting" stuff.
I'll be the wise guy to point out that it was actually the shortstop who was taken out at third
does baseball not end the bench clearing brawls? It's the only sport where it's still tolerated. Even in hockey, where fighting is tolerated, try leaving a bench to get involved in a scrum...you'll quickly see a lot of your season ended, even in the NHL, let alone USA Hockey/NCAA.
Maybe because in Hockey/Football/Basketball the two teams have even numbers on the playing field at all times. That seems like a semi-normal reason
5 years of college baseball and I never saw or heard about any kind of bench clearing brawl. NCAA / BIG penalties for fighting are very severe.
Before my time in college baseball, our coaches once had a fist fight with Purdue's coaches and the hatred was deep even by the time I was a fr many years later. I have always been under the impression the Purdue staff has a bad attitude. They do have a great stadium announcer though.