Bellomy over Morris?
October 12th, 2014 at 9:08 AM ^
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October 12th, 2014 at 12:01 PM ^
All this sarcasm is making my head spin.
October 12th, 2014 at 3:37 PM ^
Wait...there's sarcasm on this board? Why didn't someone tell me?!?!?!
October 12th, 2014 at 5:42 PM ^
Allow me to translate the saracasm into direct speech:
Morris was indeed severely concussed. More severely concussed than any coaches, players, doctors, or AD personnel were willing to admit. As a result, Morris hasn't practiced as much as we might like to believe since the Minnesota incident. So in the Penn State game, while theoretically #2, Morris wasn't ready to play.
Furthermore, protocol for serious concussions demands keeping the concusssed from being re-concussed in the near future. In an effort to protect Morris from further damage (or to further conceal culpability for Morrisgate, on the off-chance Morris was re-damaged) coaches kept Morris out of the game. Even though theoretically--i.e., if healthy and not so badly damaged a couple weeks ago--Morris remains #2.
October 12th, 2014 at 6:27 PM ^
I didn't see one single pass go into the stands like at Nebraska.
October 12th, 2014 at 9:28 AM ^
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October 12th, 2014 at 11:55 AM ^
I don't understand why this bothered so many people...
Literally everyone is pissed the fuck off at the announcers and how BAD they were all night. Everyone is tired of Rod Gilmore. Everyone wants to punch him for the two stories he shared of when he ran into a fan.
Yet, now we want to hang on this tidbit about what the announcers said.
He's the #2, that could mean a number of things.
It could mean "yes, when healthy, Shane is the #2 QB, not the #1...he started the previous game and got hurt, but when he's back, he's now the #2..."
Why is that so hard to believe? The last time we saw Shane Morris he was the starter.
How many times does a starter get hurt and coaches say "player X is still our starter."
Who knows if that's what the coaches really meant.
Here's another answer:
He IS cleared to play and is the #2.
That doesn't mean Hoke is ready to play him. That means, medically, he's cleared. All being "medically cleared" means is the doctors aren't going to stop you if you put him in the game.
That doesn't mean he still doesn't have an ankle sprain. That doesn't mean Hoke wants to deal with the media circus if he puts Morris back in this season. We now have 2 weeks before our next game, 2 weeks for him to get better and for the media circus to move out of town.
Here is a third reason.
So he's medically cleared, but what if he's not prepared to play? What if Bellomy took all the practice snaps in preparation for PSU?
Florida just had their backup QB miss a week of practice on a rape allegation, when it was dropped. They STILL said he's not going to play because he didn't prepare/practice for LSU all week. Even if Driskel got hurt he wasn't going in the game. But he WASN'T inactive. He could've played and they could've changed their mind at any point during the game.
...think about all these things before you grab your pitchfork - yet again.
October 12th, 2014 at 12:38 PM ^
So he is hurt/injured. Bellomy was running #2 in warmups. Simple.
October 12th, 2014 at 3:41 PM ^
Large contributing factor is what Yost said above: That doesn't mean Hoke wants to deal with the media circus if he puts Morris back in this season. We now have 2 weeks before our next game, 2 weeks for him to get better and for the media circus to move out of town.
October 12th, 2014 at 8:41 PM ^
The notion that Hoke would avoid playing anyone to sidestep media scutiny is bizarre to me. I hope that is not where we are at, because if it is, good luck to us all.
October 12th, 2014 at 10:38 PM ^
Morris did take part in pre game warmups. I watched him throw a pass.
October 13th, 2014 at 12:29 AM ^
That's true but the argument's still valid. It's mentioned elsewhere on the thread that not only was Bellomy clearly #2, Speight and Cleary were 3 and 4 with Morris just making a few throws at the tail end of the drills.
October 12th, 2014 at 9:09 AM ^
He had a high ankle sprain in addition to the concussion. High ankle sprains take a long time to heal.
http://leadingedgephysio.com/the-dreaded-high-ankle-sprain/
October 12th, 2014 at 9:26 AM ^
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http://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/college/university-michigan/201…
October 12th, 2014 at 10:55 AM ^
October 12th, 2014 at 10:56 AM ^
Hoke said last night after the game that Morris was cleared to play. But then again he said Shane could have practiced that Sunday after the Minnesota game, so...not sure if he knows anything about what's going on.
October 12th, 2014 at 11:05 AM ^
His ankles sure seemed better than Gardner's, but that didn't stop us from putting him back in.
I think it was just a reactive, CYA move to keep him on the bench and dispel any notion of putting him in danger, regardless of whether it made sense or was necessary.
October 12th, 2014 at 11:40 AM ^
I'm hoping that's not the case, but it crossed my mind as well.
October 12th, 2014 at 12:38 PM ^
How do you know that his ankle seemed better than Gardner's? High ankle sprains often take a month to recover from.
October 12th, 2014 at 9:15 AM ^
It's always interesting when an injury points out a glaring omission from the coaching staff. You have to believe that they wanted the Morris situation to be pushed under the rug.
October 12th, 2014 at 9:16 AM ^
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October 12th, 2014 at 10:23 AM ^
Only when out of your uni.
October 12th, 2014 at 9:41 AM ^
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October 12th, 2014 at 10:35 AM ^
His avatar clearly says he Poops Excellence....therefore it can ONLY BE Steve Everitt!
October 12th, 2014 at 10:33 AM ^
can't we determine who is better for next year....wait for it...next year?
October 14th, 2014 at 10:39 AM ^
I would have like to see Speight also, he was highly ranked here in VA. But, I also understand the redshirt. But agree, gotta see who is better coming in next year. Also have to keep Malzone committed.
October 12th, 2014 at 9:18 AM ^
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October 12th, 2014 at 9:24 AM ^
October 12th, 2014 at 9:38 AM ^
I dont think whether Bellomy gets it or not is the piont. The point is that we have a kid on scholarship who is only a liability when his number is called. Its a problem with recruiting as well as development.
October 12th, 2014 at 10:01 AM ^
is to cut him from the team, free up his scholarhsip, and get someone else to be third string?
October 12th, 2014 at 10:07 AM ^
Your straw men are weak and exposed. Nowhere did I say Hoke shoulld cut him. In fact, I explicitly said the problem is with recruiting and development. Perhaps Bellomy should never have been offered a scholarship. Perhaps he has not been well-coached. Perhaps both. But he's here, and he's what we got (again, due to recruiting and develpment issues).
October 12th, 2014 at 10:48 AM ^
I used to be a classical singer, and went to a very renown music school (not UM.) My teacher was widely regarded as one of the best -- I know of many of his students who've gone onto great success. He was also a really great person -- probably the most kind and sincere instructor I've even had.
However, despite that, he was a terrible teacher for me. I don't know why, but it just didn't work. I switched to another teacher with a good, but lesser, reputation, whom I did not like as much personally. And my singing took off. I was able to have a solid career, including performing on a Grammy-winning recording, before retiring/switching careers, due to persistent medical issues not conducive to singing.
For me it wasn't recruiting -- I was talented and got scholarships to every school I auditioned for. It wasn't teaching, because he was a great teacher. For whatever reason, it just didn't work.
Now, I grant there seems to be a pattern here, specifically with a couple of positions, but at the same point, don't call out a specific kid and think you know what's going on. Because, quite frankly, none of us do.
October 12th, 2014 at 11:01 AM ^
I appreciate the analogy. I agree there are non-measurable issues in terms of a kid's fit in a specific program. But, like you said, player development seems to be a common issue here. Its an issue of imposing the general on the specific. So you are right, we cannot know. But we can speculate - as long as we realize that that's what we are doing. And in terms of keeping that in mind, you are completely in the right.
October 12th, 2014 at 11:16 AM ^
...is that Bellomy wasn't someone of such great talent that he could get a scholarship anywhere he auditioned. He was a three-star with a modest (if lengthy) offer sheet and was headed for Purdue before he got the call from Borges.
October 12th, 2014 at 11:22 AM ^
But the kid was initially well-regarded enough to get a scholarship at a solid school. Not the best school ever, but one that's had success at putting QB's into the NFL. And when you think of how many high school quarterbacks there are in this country, that's saying a lot. And then he was deemed good enough to be a fallback option at a better school -- sort of like he was wait-listed. In terms of high-school quarterbacks, he was still very, very good.
October 12th, 2014 at 11:28 AM ^
Your point about being wary of our assumptions about Bellomy is well-founded. But you are reaching when you try to convince us that Bellomy was a high regarded QB out of high school. He would have been a good recruit for a MAC-level school, but he was not a good recruit at Michigan. We were all hoping that Borges had found some diamond-in-the-rough that the coaching staff would polish into something at least serviceable. We were wrong.
October 12th, 2014 at 11:36 AM ^
October 12th, 2014 at 11:48 AM ^
His offer list at Rivals:
- Boise State
- Colorado
- Colorado State
- Florida International
- Iowa State
- Marshall
- Michigan
- Minnesota
- North Texas
- Ohio
- Purdue
- Rice
- South Florida
- Texas State
- Tulsa
- UAB
- Western Kentucky
That's not a typical offer sheet for a Michigan recruit.
October 12th, 2014 at 11:57 AM ^