I am guessing 15 minutes at the 2 behind Stauskas and 10 at the 3 behind Robinson.
Belien says Robinson to move to the 3 and McGary to the 4
Where does that leave Levert? Seems like he has earned some decent playing time.
That's a good point. I really don't know. There is so much talent with the 3 guys in front of him at the 2 and 3 that it could be hard for him to find minutes next year. I think he knew that could happen for his first couple years when he committed.
Althought Coach B is saying GRIII to the 3, I'm sure there will be times during almost every game where he plays the 4 to get 2 of those three guys on the floor at once, especially if our bigs get into foul trouble (as they have a tendency to do) or when other teams go small, especially if it looks like LeVert, Irvin and Stauskas are all guys we need on the floor a lot.
Levert is not going to get more than 10 minute a game per say.
You don't se?
I think moving GRIII to the 3 benefits Irvin. The open 4 guard pg centric offense we ran last year opened things up for Stauskas. I don't think Stauskas will be as effective playing the 2 in a bigger, more defensive lineup. I think Irvin will start and Stauskas will back up him and GRIII and during any time we go small next year.
if McGary continues to work on that jump shot, I love this idea. Can Stauskas hold off Zak Irvin for the 2 spot? They've been praising Irvins D and I think Stauskas may have trouble guarding SGs.
From what I remember his jumpshot was pretty darn good. I want him doing nothing but free throws all summer. That goes for everyone.
Yes..... Free throw after free throw. Even if he has to take jumpers from the line.
I would also guess that Coach B. used playing opportunities at their 'natural' NBA position as a selling point for them to return for another year.
5: Spike Albrecht
4: Spike Albrecht
3: Spike Albrecht
2: Spike Albrecht
1: Spike Albrecht
6th man: Spike Albrecht
Key reserve: Spike Albrecht
Spike Albrecht is not ready to play the 4 right away. Also, with this, where are you factoring in Spike Albrecht's minutes? And Spike Albrecht?
It will be more like this:
5: Spike Albrecht/Spike Albrecht
4: Spike Albrecht
3: Spike Albrecht/Spike Albrecht
2: Spike Albrecht
1: Spike Albrecht/Spike Albrecht
Bench: Spike Albrecht, Spike Albrecht, Spike Albrecht, Spike Albrecht
Redshirt: Spike Albrecht
Good. This makes sense to me, because McGary can shoot the jumper. He can still play center on defense. I really think both McGary and Morgan need to be on the floor as much as possible. Pushing Morgan to the bench for the rest of his career would be a bad idea.
Morgan is going to be a senior leader (hopefully) and having him on the floor will be critical. I'd love to see Beilein adjust his strategy and go with 2 bigs on the floor next year for a greater percentage of the time. Next year we'll have more options (Horford, McGary, Bielfeldt, Donnal, and Morgan) so foul trouble or guys getting tired out shouldn't be an issue.
They are going to have the horses to play bigger next year. Looking forward to it!!
I don't think he wants Morgan considering doing anything other than returning to the team. That and he say how badly we got beat up down low when we had only 1 big man in at a time. With McGary, Morgan, Horford, Bielfeldt, and Donnal at the 4 and 5 spot, we'll have plenty of big men to help out down low.
I don't know if Morgan was involved, or if the statement was for GRIII and McGary. Remember, Beilein is consulting with them about their pro decision. They want to play in the NBA. As part of the consultation, it is entirely reasonable for Beilein to tell them, "You will be well-prepared for your NBA career if you stay; in fact, you will be playing your natural NBA positions and have opportunities to demonstrate your skills next year."
Makes total sense.
Plus, keep in mind that the lineup this past season was based on the team's backcourt and wing strength, and that at the beginning of the year GRIII was much more ready to contribute than McGary was. McGary was only capable of producing 10-15 quality minutes at the beginning of the season; running a two-big offense, with Burke, THJ, Stauskas, and GR3 all on the roster, would have been insane.
And when McGary emerged in the tourney there was no reason to change a good thing.
mcgary = 4
grIII = 3
does that mean morgan , horford or morgan/horford = 5?
last half of season both were equally effective/ineffective
is donnal a 5 or 4 or both?
I think donnal is more of a 4.
I like it I like it but I expect to see Robinson tostill play many minutes at the 4.
The more I see of Robinson the more he reminds me of Glen Rice. GRIII has that pretty repeatable jumper That will only get better with time
Think Sarah Palin thinks the same thing?
That's traditionally made a Beilein offense a Beilein offense, right?
The best laid plans of mice and men. This is the coaches plan for now but when push comes to show we will see if this is what they are comfortable with. I am hopeful Morgan can have a good senior season but the possibility remains he could be relegated to the bench similar to what happened to Vogrich this season.
I think nights where Morgan gets more than 20 minutes will be rare next season.
This will 3rd time now that he has promised two bigs in the upcoming season (this is not a complaint just a fact). Point to injuries and what not, but it still hasn't really happened.
I'm not saying it won't happen, but I imagine we're going to be looking at 25-30 minutes for Irvin, which would be impossible without GRIII still getting run at the 4.
Regardless, we really are starting to have some depth across the board.
This is true. Belein has constantly said one thing, while doing the other. So, here are the facts at the table:
1.) We've got the PG pretty well established, and nothing should change there.
2-3.) At the wings, we might have a log-jam. We've got
- Robinson (potentially)
4-5.) But here, we've got the BIGGEST log-jam
- Robinson (potentially)
It seems obvious, based on numbers, that Robinson moves to the three. That would leave us two-deep at every position. STILL, two-deep isn't necesary when you're playing only 7-8 guys. In that case, you're trying to simply get the best talent out there.
My point: If Irvin, Stauskas, and LeVert collectively play better than Morgan, Horford, Bielfeldt, and Donnal, we're going to see GRIII at the 4.
Since we can assume Irvin and Stauskas will be good to go at the 2/3, the only way we play with GRIII at the 4 is if
a.) LeVert is just too good to keep off the court,
b.) GRIII can't play the 3, or
c.) None of the other bigs (esp. Horford, Bielfeldt, and Donnal) step up. I think "c" is still a possibility.
Long/Short: I think we still see GRIII at the 4 a bit early on, and it might become much more common later in the season, especially if Horford/Bielfeldt/Donnal can't match up in production.
McGary showed against Syracuse that he can hang out on top of the key, and facilitate from there or hit a jump shot. If Morgan is down low, that's a 1-2 combo that'll be hard to stop. What seemed to ultimately be our problem against Louisville was the lack of size at the 3-4. Robinson is a better defensive fit at 3, and Morgan obviously is our best defensive big man, so the Robinson/McGary/Morgan 3/4/5 combo is the best defensive alignment plus probably extremely hard to defend.
When the season started, someone asked, who needs to step up the most this year? I responded not with a player's name, but Coach B. -- because he'd never had a team with this athleticism or talent. And obv he did step up his game. I think the same thing now, he needs to reorient what he's typically been used to, and make the McGary/Morgan combo work really well.
I think it's a good plan, but it's just that, a plan. I think we learned this year that guard play is really what matters. In the B1G it would likely be helpful to go big, but I think if next year's team is going to maximize its potential, guard play will be more important than having a 2 Big set. That's just my take
I'm not sure if we did learn that. Burke had a largely subpar tourney other than the second half of the KU game and the final, but we won the other games on the steady contributions of Mitch (practically won the Cuse game for us), GR3 to a lesser extent, and random contributors (Caris and Spike against Syr, Stauskas against UF, Timmy against SDSU, etc.). If one thing is certain, it's that Beilein will put his guys in a situation where they will succeed. Clearly the team will have weapons at 1-4 that can stretch the D a bit, so as long as the PG can break pressure and be a good enough facilitator, guard play shouldn't really matter any more than other positions.
I look at the two teams in the final. Not saying the big men didn't contribute, because they obviously did, but that was a game between the two (probably) best backcourts in the nation
This is a no-brainer. You have a sure-fire NBA power forward (McGary) and NBA small forward (Robinson) on your roster. Play them at their positions. If they will play those positions in the NBA, they should play there now, especially since we have completely viable options at the 1, 2, and 5. (Hell, we may even have NBA talent at the point and shooting guard positions depending on how Walton, Irvin, and Stauskus pan out).
Anyway, I hate hearing that Robinson is too slow to guard the 3 in college or that McGary can't guard the 4. B.S. They will play those positions in the pros, no question. All the other 3's and 4's from other teams on our schedule can worry about how they're going to deal with the size and athleticism combo of Robinson and McGary. Good luck with that. There's a reason all those other guys won't be playing in the NBA one day but Robinson and McGary will.
and suddenly Michigan basketball is trying to figure out how to get all their NBA players on the floor. What a change that is from even 1 or 2 years ago
This also helps our back court depth. With GRIII playing the 3 that most like lt means stauskas/levert/Irvin at the 2 with Irvin also backing up at the 3. Morgan/Horford at the 5 is pretty good, plus Bielfeldt and Donnal in there.
I think this is more to maximize the amount of experience that they have on the floor. Essentially, you're taking minutes from LeVert/Irvin and giving them to Morgan/Horford. Yes, it will be nice to have a bigger line up, but you're also taking away some 3-point shooting unless McGary shows he can hit those from the corner.
These are the positions they will play in the league so both are probably cool with this. I'm not too surprised. There were some serious tradeoffs with rebounding and defense that the typical Beilein lineup tried to offset with ball handling and shooting. But as the talent level rises those compromises become less necessary. It was obvious that physical teams gave our small lineup a lot of problems. If Beilein has proven anything it is that he is able to adapt and be flexible. Showed it in changing assistants and in recruiting and in moving to man to man and now in going bigger. GR3 losing the rebounding battle to Behanon in the 2nd half showed the limitations of this lineup.
Also I think that this recognizes that with the current roster construction without Burke/Hardaway has a lot of bigs. If you play GR3 at the 4 with Donnal you have Beilfeldt, Morgan, Horford and McGary all playing at the 5. We'll still see smaller lineups sometimes when McGary is out of the game.
Winner is clearly Morgan as he now can start at the 5 and get his 20-25 minutes. On the other hand, hard to see where Caris fits in for next year if Irvin is as good as advertised and everyone is healthy.
Bearing in mind that Beilein's starters traditionally avg over 30 minutes I think we will see something like:
Walton 25/Albrecht 15
Stauskas 30/LeVert 5/Irvin 5
GR3 20/Irvin 20
McGary 30/GR3 10
Morgan 25/Horford 15
I suspect Walton starts at about 20 minutes but will be up to 30 by the end of the season. I think you redshirt Donnal and go small when McGary is out. Can't play of 2 of Morgan/Horford/Bielfeldt simultaneously as there is not enough skill there. But I guess the choice between Donnal at the 4 and sliding GR3 back there in a small lineup all depends on how good Donnal is. I have a sneaking suspicion that you are better off going small and having Stauskas/Irvin on the floor at the same time rather than Donnal on the floor.
I wouldn't count him out. He brings ballhandling and defense to the table and was better than Stauskas at times by the end of the year.
I agree with most of this, but I think there's a place for McGary at 5 and Robinson at 4 so we can get 2 of Stauskas/Lavert/Irvin in at the same time. Some teams will be smaller and we won't need 2 bigs.
My breakdown is basically the same, minus a couple tweaks:
Walton 25/Albrecht 10
Stauskas 25/Lavert 10/Irvin 5
GR3 20/Irvin 15/Lavert 5
McGary 25/GR3 10 plus a sprinkling of Beifeldt/Donnal
Morgan 20/Horford 15/McGary 5
I think a lot of the season will again be Beilein messing around with his new toys.
I think mostly we are in agreement. My guess is that Beilfeldt only gets in during garbage time or if someone is injured or in foul trouble but that will happen. I'd save Donnal's eligibility if he is only going to get a sprinkling of time and redshirt him.
Basically, you are seeing LeVert get more minutes in a smaller type lineup with GR3 at the 4 versus having more minutes with Morgan/Horford on the court at the same time as McGary. I hear you and I think you'll see some of both depending a lot on matchups. You go big against Sparty probably for example so that they don't slaughter us on the boards but against the press that MN will now play you use LeVert more and play with GR3 at the 4. Foul trouble and injuries will affect lineups. And there will also be situational stuff where you go small with a lead at end of game for ball handling and FT shooting or big for defense and rebounding.
Big 3 all get 30+ minutes/game.
spike and levert have been proven capable and will be better in season 2.
if the new super rookies earn big minutes it will bode well for the wolverines.
everyone else is complementary at moment- until proven otherwise.
I completely agree with your minute breakdown and i think that looks like a damn good team
I really think you are going to see Bielfeldt back-up McGary a decent amount at the 4. Donnal will RS. This real interesting situation is that of LeVert. I personally think he plays as the back-up at the 3 and will play more against offensively motivated (i.e. good) SG's. Irvin probably gets less minutes than most people are projecting. Ultimately-match-ups are going to great dictate the rotation. What a nice problem to have. All of these highly talented players to get minutes for.
I think he could be an adequate backup at the 4 behind McGary.
Nervous about this idea.
1. Without having seen Donnal in college yet, there is a clear drop off after McGary/Morgan. So if one of them gets in foul trouble that hurts and/or we are forced to go small.
2. I think of the 3 as being a good outside shot, which is not GRIII's game. Also, putting him at the 3 takes him further away from the basket and makes it harder for him to get lobs. those ARE his game.
I don't know, Beilein knows way more than me, but my first take on this is stomach churning.
1. We still have Max Beifelt to come off the bench for those guys if needed, so I'm not sure that's a huge concern. Also, Donnal was a borderline top-100 recruit, so as a 3rd/4th option he should be just fine. Don't forget that we can always slide GRIII to the 4 if we get in foul trouble.
2. GRII has a pretty jumpshot, he just couldn't hit it consistently. If he works on it a lot over the summer he should be just fine. I trust our coaches to find a way to get him to the basket. Most of the lobs he got were on the fast break anyways, so I think it will have a minimal effect as far as that's concerned.
Don't forget that these are 2 guys with gobs of potential who just finished their first year of college. Never underestimate what an offseason of hard work and experience can do for a player. We saw it just last year with Burke.
The reason I wouldn't worry about this is the fact that Beilein is really good at making changes if necessary. If his initial plan isn't working as he'd hoped, he won't just sit on it and hope the team improves individually if better options are available. College basketball is a game where multiple lineups work, particularly situational lineups. Some games might work best with McGary at the 4 while other match ups might ask for more athleticism, and Beilein has proven to understand this (especially this past season). Not worried about it at all.
... which fits Robinson well. This also gives him a chance to use his quickness against bigger 3s and his strength against smaller ones, improving his defensive match ups - how many times did we see him disappear against a team that could post him with a strong 4?
We didn't do two-big last year because it would mean sitting one of Robinson, Hardaway or Staukas. Just like a good coach should, we are deploying the talent at hand to get the best players on the floor.
You're concerned about having to go small because of foul trouble when the alternative is to go small from the beginning? I think GRIII's offensive game is well suited to the 3. He's got a good 3-pt shot and those lobs can come off of back cuts.
McGary will play some 5, GRIII will play some 4.
Maybe not all of the time, maybe not every game. But it's not like they're going to forget how to play the positions that got us to the National Championship.
I don't see a situation where we're playing Max B or some walk-on big man for extended minutes because we can't move McGary or GRIII.
Just like on the positive side, if Irvin is going nuts in a game, I don't think GRIII has to watch from the bench because we don't want to take Irvin out. Just put him in at 4 and bump McGary to 5.
This is a GOOD THING.
It allows these guys to learn and play the positions they're going to play in the NBA
It allows them to give us some size and gets Morgan/Horford get a little more PT.
It ends those rumors of Morgan looking to graduate-transfer elsewhere due to lack of PT.
It looks like Beilein is trading points for rebounds. In the games we lost, we gave up heaps of oReb's. Morgan is sturdy on the glass and guarding opposing bigs. But I absolutely detest his offensive game. It seemed like toward the end of the season he would either turn the ball over or get blocked. JMO doesn't elevate!
My only concern is who the screener will be. McGary is great in that role, with his Clark Kellogg-endorsed hands and Withey-defeating finishing ability. Morgan, not so much.
I think you answered your own question there...
Until 2/3 of the way through the season, Morgan set the most effective screens of anyone on the team.
Morgan's actually been pretty good in pick-and-roll situations. He almost averaged in double figures two years ago when we had Morris at PG, and a large chunk of his points that year came off ball screen action. He doesn't have McGary's overall skill (such as his fadeaway and foul-line jumper) or finishing ability, but he can score this way.
McGary was the screener and they stationed Morgan in the short corner (along the baseline half way between the basket and 3 pt line).
2 bigs creates some spacing issues, but if one big has a developed skill set and can pass and shoot, it mitigates those issues.
Notheless, it's pretty safe to say the 2 bigs plan, if carried out most of the game, means we wont be the best offensive team in the country next year (#1 in kenpom adj off eff.)
and the #1 defense. That seemed to work out for Louisville pretty well last year.
and that an "i" had left
If Morgan can catch the ball, running two big will be fun to watch.
That lineup will do wonders for the pick and roll...hope Walton is ready
GRIII at 3 is intriguing. It's going to be a matter of him hitting his outside shots. He is such a threat to slash, that a jab step would probably be really effective to get him some space. If not, he can always move back to the 4.
At the 4, I see GRIII's upside as a Dennis Rodman who can shoot better, and without Rodman's drama. I could easily see GRIII getting 20 rebounds in a game if he was asked to make it his #1 priority.
I don't see any similarities between Glenn Robinson III and Dennis Rodman. They're about as similar as pigs and hurricanes.
Pigs and hurricanes are pretty similar. They can both huff and puff and blow your house down. I now fully expect GR3 to have rainbow colored hair next year.
they seem more similar than that
I don't know if there are two more disimilar players to compare.
I think ppl are missing the point here. This "move" is being made to showcase their skills at the positions they will be playing in the NBA. This may have been a large reason they stayed in college and will no doubt help future recruiting.
No, the move is being made because they expect to have the roster balance and talent distribution to make it work. They didn't have a better option at 4 to start this season, McGary wasn't prepared (injury and conditioning) to play many minutes, let alone PF. Horford's early injury further jammed up any plans.
I don't get this move. By have 2 bigs and Robinson at the 3, that leaves either Stauskas, Irvin, or Walton out of the starting line up. I think we need those players to start.
See previous post. It makes a lot of sense to play GR3 at the 3 and McGary at the 4 from a professional development standpoint. It may have been a huge selling point to keep them both here another year (maybe not...obviously pure speculation).
If Irvin is as good as advertised, he'll get his minutes. The Irvin/Stauskas/LeVert combo allows for a lot of flexibility...one of them may even play point forward under certain circumstances (foul trouble, injury, etc.)
Yes. I have been hoping for a two post offense for a long time. I actually think Horford and Mcgary will start and Morgan will be the first one off the bench to back up the 5. I also like the idea of still playing small for portions of the game with GRlll at the 4.
How Coach B will be able to keep Irvin out of the starting line up. Kid is the real deal.
last year after being a sixth man all year. Irvin not starting doesn't bother me in the least.
...who this affect most is Caris LeVert, not Zak Irvin...
PG: Walton (20) / Albrecht (20)
SG: Stauskas (25) / LeVert (10) / Walton (5)
SF: Robinson III (15) / Irvin (25)
PF: McGary (20) / Robinson III (15) / Horford (5)
C: Morgan (20) / McGary (10) / Horford (10)
Robinson III (30)
...Irvin or Stauskas will probably get 30, take 5 minutes from Morgan or Horford.
I think that you may be overestimating horford's minutes, as well as Stauskas. In the late run, Stauskas' minutes were down some. He started, but there were long periods where he as on the bench.
But because I went by 5's I had to round down.
I don't think Horford plays 15 either. I don't think Morgan plays 20.
But because I made it so every position has 40 minutes, you get "stuck"
Truthfully, you'll steal 5-7 minutes from the bigs and give it to Stauskas, LeVert and Irvin depending on the game and who's playing well.
minutes last year and Stauskas played 30.5 but you are projecting the minutes leader will only play 30 minutes a game? At least you are the first to point out the we will probably have a two point guard lineup for 5-10 minutes a game assuming Walton establishes himself.
That said, like I said above...because I tried to put 40 minutes per position (which we don't do, because we play 3 guards, a SF and a C often) the minutes per position won't actually be 40.
When you take this into account, you'll get more minutes for Stauskas (who's minutes aren't going down), Irvin and LeVert.
I went back and forth, but I was afraid that if I only put 30 minutes at C and PF there would be posters who commented on the math.
If you want a breakdown without locking 40 minutes per position, here's what I think:
Donnal and Bielfeldt?
This makes sense cause those are their natural positions and will most likely play in the NBA. Plus defensively that allows GRIII to not have to bang with bigs on the inside. I glad to see him play his natural 3 position.
basketball-challenged brain. So, the 1 is the PG to replace Burke, and the 2 would be someone to replace Hardaway, which looks to be Irvin at this point, then the 3 is someone like Robinson (another guard, or something), the 4 is a power forward, and the 5 is...?
1 - point guard
2 - shooting guard
3 - small forward
4 - power forward
5 - center
the 5 is Morgan/Horford, the 2 is Nik Stauskas, and Zac Irvin comes off the bench (at least to start the season)
We will be a force next year in the paint! I can see back to back Final Fours in our future!
Jon Horford. He arguably played better than Morgan down the stretch, is one of the only shot blocking threats after McGary, really only has one year of game experience, and is fairly athletic.
I think he could make HUGE strides and become a solid big man. I can't wait to see what he can do with a full healthy year and minutes. Might have to wait until his senior year to watch him shine but I can see him playing himself into the draft after next year IF all goes well. Don't laugh.
Quick minutes breakdown going under the assumption that the breakdown is similar to last year (i.e. 9 guys averaged more than 8 minutes a game).
PG-Derrick Walton (28) / Spike Albrecht (12)
SG-Nik Stauskas (30) / Zak Irvin (6) / Spike Albrecht (2) / Caris LeVert (2)
SF-Glenn Robinson III (20) / Zak Irvin (10) / Caris LeVert (6)
PF-Mitch McGary (24) / Glenn Robinson III (15) / Jon Horford (1)
C-Jordan Morgan (20) / Mitch McGary (10) / Jon Horford (10)
Robinson - 35 mpg
McGary - 34 mpg
Stauskas - 30 mpg
Walton - 28 mpg
Morgan - 20 mpg
Irvin - 16 mpg
Albrecht - 14 mpg
Horford - 11 mpg
LeVert - 8 mpg
Deep Bench rounded out with Biefeldt, Donnal, a scholarship guard (3* probably), and a walk-on wing type.
The question "why" has been asked frequently here. Is it professional development? Getting minutes to the best players? Depth?
All good answers with, probably, some accuracy. But isn't one of the best reasons to make this move simply the fact that the players on the floor will be most effective in their natural positions? GRIII worked hard playing the 4 all year, but it's not his natural position and there was a lot of stuff you expect from someone with his skill set that he simply didn't do. He rarely had the ball and he almost never drove to the basket--I don't have actual numbers, but my impression is that "more than a shooter" Stauskas actually drove far more than GRIII.
Similarly, McGary is a good player but his game suits the power forward position better. He outplayed Withey in Dallas not by winning a post-up battle but by ballscreens, movement, and energy. When he posted up Withey, or Withey posted him up, Withey won at least 70% of those battles. Which is why Beilein kept Mitch from fighting them.
With those two in their natural spots, their individual production will be better, and the whole team will improve.
postscript: I have no idea how good Walton will be, but if he doesn't catch fire early the way Burke did, is there any chance Beilein spends a few minutes without a PG in the lineup? I'm not sure there's anyone that can carry the ball up properly, but if there is, this could keep Walton and Spike fresh while increasing minutes for all the guys he has on the wing.
Yuu heard it here first.
By big ten season Stauskas will be the back up and first guy off the bench behind Irvin and GR3.
No way Irvin is not starting at the 2 by B1G play and that doesn't leave room on the court for Stauskas. I actually think Levert could pass Stauskas for 6th man too.
Levert was getting big boy minutes late in the tourney while Staukas sat. Levert plays better D and get always get his shot off and can even run the offense as the 2 guard. Stauskas just stands in the corner and can't guard his shadow.
2-3 spots will be interesting.
I completely agree. Stauskas has a lot of work to do this off-season. LeVert does too but I think in addition to his natural talent edge he's more versatile. Moreover, as you said, I expect Irvin to be the starter which is going to make Caris' defense, ball handling and ability to run the offense a more valuable first off the bench option.
Stauskas was bad at defense, but that's often the case with freshmen. He will likely get better with age, starting next year. He might be the sixth man behind Irvin, but I doubt he'll drop behind LeVert.
What happens if Beilein ends up with the same problem he had this season...his best 5 players are a PF, 3 SF/SGs and a PG? And I hope he makes the same decision...go with the lineup that wins.
A lineup can look great on paper, but i think you cant make that great of a prediction till you see it on court, also it is a good thing we have all these options.
I think were all underestimating Donnal, this is Johnny B. specaility. Think of his teams at WVU. I think he will suprise some people.
Walton-28/ Spike 12
Stauskas- 25 Irvin 10 Levert 5
GrIII 20-25 Irvin 10-15 Levert 5-10
Mcgary-20-25 GR3 5-10 Horford/ morgan5-10
Horford 20 Mcgary 10 Morgan 10
I'm surprised how many people seem to be writing off Stauskas as losing his spot and losing minutes. He played like a talented freshman last year. There is no reason he can't improve over the summer and come back better. With Hardaway and Burke gone Stauskas is the only guy on the roster who has proven he can get his own shot. Maybe Walton and Irvin, but they aren't on the team yet. Defense was definetly his biggest weakness last year, but that is something he can improve. He will be the starter at the 2 next year.
When it was crunch time Coach B ran with Levert in the tourney. That's why I think Stauskas could be hurt most by these announcements. Levert brings a more diverse skill set at this point and that's saying a lot bc Levert still clearly has room to grow. He was scout team until late last season.
Also you underestimate Irvin. He is better than Stauskas on Day 1. I think he sits initially just out of respect for Stauskas but like Stauskas pushed out Vogrich he will get pushed out of starting spot early.
The question is what does Coach B want off the bench first:
Stauskas - sniper, spread the floor, hit threes, nice passer into low block (McGary to get more looks in O).
Levert - second ball handler, better defense, better rebounding, better slasher.
That's all assuming neither improve. I think Levert puts on weight and works on his 3 ball.
Stauskas wil have to get LOTS better at D, become a playmaker with the ball in his hands(make plays for himself AND others).
all and all a great problem to have. I like how many different types of weapons the team will have at the 2-4 spot. Some bigs, slashers, snipers, all with length, all with 1 yr in system except 5 star Mr. Indiana. Heck Donnal could make noise at the 4 too.
As long as we are playing 9 guys a night, and consistently, I will be happy. This is all I care about
The problem I see here is that we have so much diverse talent that It will be difficult for everyone to be satisfied. As fun as these presdictions are we really have no idea. It's difficult to project how much better Stauskas will get on D, Levert's offensive touch etc. etc. That being said I cannot wait for next year to start. I never thought I would say this but I am as excited for the start of basketball season as I am for football. If not more. GO BLUE!
“And this year was like, ‘How do we get our best five guys on the floor as much as possible?’ Just like we did with (former guard Zack) Novak. That was the plan to try, and he can do it. There’s no question he can do it.”
So i think if Irvin and Nick both are playing great they will both start.
I could easily see this being more of a message to Irvin, the 5 star do all freshman, that in the end his playing will be earned and not given. I wouldn't be surprised to see this change once Irvin comes in and puts in the needed work for the coaches.
Has anyone considered that Stauskas might get a chance to play some minutes at the point next year?