Beilein thanks fans for patience -Mlive Not TMZ
Did you retire this week or something?
You've posted 9 threads in 3 days. You a little bored, Shakey?
That's it? Feels like more.
Not every little Michigan related thing is always worthy of a thread (Brady's Haircut, Brady's house, etc.) This one actually is, but it's turning into a "Boy Cries Wolf" scenario where I see who posts and move on.
I'm not sure that defensive of a response was really warranted. I don't think he was attacking you, but just making an observation we were all thinking, and to be frank, bdsisme has contributed a lot more to this board than you have.
That said, I personally enjoy all the abundance of content, good and meh, recently (which you have certainly and appreciatively been a noticeable factor in), but it is indeed cutting way into my precious pocket pool time. Now if you don't mind, I have some ummm...business to attend to.
remember, I am a product of destructionist feminist anti white teaching at U of M so I am a bit thin skinned.
What's wrong with the term 'blacks'?
feel uncomfortable saying it in front of a lot of people. Not sure why, probably from historical behaviors, seems like mostly older people to me and young people pick up on when you're addressing people to say african americans instead of blacks.
So is "whites."
It's not about whether a black person or a white person is using it.
If Kevin Durant or LeBron James said "whites" it would be just as poor of taste as it would be when Shakey Jake or someone else says "blacks."
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The biggest thing is back during segregation you saw signs that said "No Blacks Allowed" and "Whites Only"
So just with that alone, many people don't use the terms. I don't know why people act like you're violating them in some what shape or form because those terms offend people or make them cringe. Is it really that hard to use terms that are more wildly accepted in today's culture?
I understand that we're PC America and that drives so many of you (us) crazy...but it also can be severe ignorance on your behalf because I'm willing to bet half of you NEVER thought about the correlation to "No Blacks Allowed" and "Whites Only."
Using "Blacks" and "Whites" was something of the 50s and 60s...by both black and white people. Using more accepted terms is simply showing progression away from those times and some of the negative memories, stereotypes, and connotations attached to that period.
As someone who is predominantly "black," I much prefer being called black rather than African-American. My reasoning is a combination of common sense and just being an antagonistic person in general when it comes to certain topics: My roots to Africa (be it current country or even general region) cannot be traced so I feel no true association to it. Additionally it seems as if people feel like they are forced to call me african-american rather than black, or worse, that they are somehow doing me some favor by doing so. In essence, African American can come off as nothing more than a pity term used to refer to my now untraceable origins while still trying to make me feel included. Also, I see no negative connotation with black. It is a simple loose description of my race's prevelant pigmentation. Besides, "colored" was the more commonly used word used in Jim Crow law signage and is one of the many terms for my race I do in fact take offense to
In the end, African-American is the consensus accepted term chosen by the faceless PC police, and if that's what you personally are more comfortable with, have at it. But if you want to call me black, I and many others are more than fine with that.
There are some other oddities as well. I remember someone from Tunisia joking how they're more African-American than people we refer to African-American. Also, a couple Winter Olympics ago, the US had some speedskater who was black and he ended up winning gold. He was the first black person to win a gold in the Winter Olympics or at least the first in speedskating, but on some news outlet they kept talking about how he was the first African-American. That was also true, but it was actually diminishing his accomplishment by limiting it to black people in America. Granted, there are vanishingly few black people living in places with winter besides America, so I doubt they even cared about the Winter Olympics, but still would have been nice to mention the full scope of things.
Also, speaking as a white guy, I sure as shit ain't from the Caucasus. How I somehow became "Caucasian", I have no idea.
"Caucasian" is a holdover from the old days of classifying all people into three categories: Caucasian (white), Mongoloid (Asian) and Ethiopic (black). The other two have died out but Caucasian survives for some reason.
I agree that it's weird.
You should go back to read the origional "cancer" thread.
You obviously have more perspective on this being a black man, or mixed, than I do as a white man. I know it seems like nit-picking but simply making the term plural (blacks, whites) makes it offensive to me.
I always say black people, not blacks, and I don't use African-American, because of its patronizing connotation. I agree with Mr. Yost that it dates back to the days of segregation, plus I always hear 80 year old racist white people use that term so itys an automatic turn off.
Thank you for your input on this somewhat sensitive topic.
Not to tell you what your tastes and preferences should be. But if that tiny little nuanced difference is all it takes to flip your switch, is it fair to be giving people the double-barreled shotgun blast you've been serving up? People don't want to have to go through life tiptoeing around a single letter for fear of crossing the line between "ok" and "IGNORANT-ASS RACIST" especially when nobody really knows what exactly is the line for the individual person they're talking to.
But I'm not one to tell a group of people why they shouldn't be offended even if I disagree with it.
THAT is what I'm saying. You don't have to agree...this is a f-ing message board. No one agrees on most of the stuff we discuss.
You don't have to agree, but you can still understand.
This is the same thing I said when GRIII turns pro. You may not agree with it, but you can at least take the time to understand it, his mindset and through process.
If you do that, then you're NOT ignorant.
If you put your head in the sand and say "I'm right and you're dumb for thinking what you think or doing what you do." You probably are.
So if the fact that black is okay to some but blacks or whites is offensive is silly to you, that's fine. I don't think you're a racist for thinking that. As long as you understand why it is offensive to them.
Personally, I don't use it because I can see...after so many years being referred to as blacks and whites...we as a society don't want to use those terms anymore. Okay, cool. but I can also see how someone would say "wait...whites is off limits, but white people is okay? HAHA!"
I can't always knock anyone for picking a view as long as they see both of them.
I wish I would've caught this comment before it was responded to a bunch, because now it's not going to be directly below yours...
But I said "blacks" not "black"
I don't think saying "black people" is offensive to anyone. Saying "blacks" is.
There are plenty of black people in America who AREN'T African-American (unless you want to say everyone is from Africa and we're all African-American...but let's not go down that road). Hell, anyone from Jamaica ior Haiti isn't African-American.
So I hope you and the other posters who responded to you and I read this because I think in society there is a difference between "black," "blacks," and "black people."
White and black are accepted, IMO. White people and black people are accepted, IMO. People of color is accepted, IMO (even though that includes Hispanics, Latinos, and others outside of just Black or African-American).
I was speaking SPECIFICALLY to why "blacks" and "whites" are offensive to people. And that is because of the times of segregation where you saw "No Blacks Allowed" and "Whites Only" signs.
And truth is, when you saw those signs...they were actually referring to all people of color and not just black people or African-Americans. Nonetheless, those terms (blacks/whites) still make people uncomfortable when they're used today.
Wasn't "Colored" actually the more common term in the days of segregation?
But that doesn't mean they weren't both common. Just like White/Whites Only. They're all saying the exact same thin, except Whites/White Only sometimes also meant no Jewish people allowed as well.
"Over the past three years, the Wolverines have produced a national player of the year, two Big Ten Players of the Year, a Big Ten Freshman of the Year and Beilein himself won co-Big Ten Coach of the Year in 2013-14."
It's things like the generous honors and the increasing regularity of NBA-ready talent leaving the program that have helped make it such a great journey and these things are definitely part of what makes Beilein such a great coach. Basketball at Michigan seemed rather directionless when he arrived, and Beilein has given it a direction and to see his philosophy mature here at Michigan has been more than worth it, I think. When he does retire, he will leave Michigan basketball in a much, much better state.
I read the comments of that article..and immediately regretted it. Good God the Internet is a terrible terrible place.
And to think I held back on my "share your funniest fart story" thread as I thought it would be too obtuse for OT season.
Maybe later I'll post it if for no other reason than to give SJ a break.
I would like to thank John Beilein.
What's Beilein's secret? This 'the team, the team, the team,' thing," Beilein says. "Thank God for Bo (Schembechler) to bring that forward, because we talk about it every single day."
Maybe it's OK to maybe every now and then refer back to M's history without being labelled an inappropriate relic of a long-ago age that's died and any talk of that age or "Michigan Man" means we only hire M coaches and seriously it's the biggest problem with the program even though I think a lot of the guys who sweated and worked on that field/court are very proud of that moniker because for them it's an honor and for you it's punchline A Few Good Men reference?
did you really not realize that was intentional just like this is homeboy
Don't listen to em Shaky Jake. Do your thing.
I enjoyed the article. Beilein is fab.
Keep Shakin' Jake.
I read the comments.
Coach Amaker made HUGE strides bringing this program back from the depths of whale dung. Yes,Coach B has gotten us back on the national stage...but Tommy STARTED the trip back.
HAIL
I love sarcasm.
Thanks for your input Coach K
whom openly campaign for his former teammate be given more time to right the ship. Don't think I stated that fact,either.
stating the obvious?? Isn't it a *fact* Tommy brought this program back ((not completely back like what we've witness last 4yrs)) from the ruins Ellerbe had left it??
Btw,no fan of Coach K nor his mouthpiece...but I'll continue stating the obvious to those who don't respect it,oh,well.
lol at the Sparty fan saying that Izzo is the better coach right now. Nevermind the fact that TI had one of his best teams ever, had a losing record to JB, and didn't go any further in the tournament. Also Beilein has more final fours, more Big ten championships, more players of the year, more drafted players and a 6-3 record vs. MSU in the last 4 seasons.
-2 BTT's in 3 years, 1 outright
-1 NPOY in Burke
-A Final Four and National Title appearance, not to mention one horrible block call from potentially winning it all.
-Most NCAA tourney wins of any team in the last 2 years.
-Beating Sparty 6 of the last 9 times. 5 years ago such a thought was laughable, and we could only hope the games would be within 10 points.
-Sending 2 players into the first round of the NBA draft last year, and potentially sending as many as 3 this year.
-Simply making this basketball team relevant again.
You don't need to thank us, Beilein. We need to thank you.
I see similarities in both coaches paths and believe they are both the right men for their jobs. I am sure people will think I am drinking the Kool Aid but Brady is the guy to bring the program back....and I can't wait.
Go Blue!
He was terrible at SDSU? He was there for 2 years and was 9-4 in his second year.