I remember watching his teams at other schools and he always had a post player that was really good at three point shooting.
Is Beilein recruiting any Kevin Pittsnogle-esque players, or have any that redshirted?
Not supposed to be a superstar, but is compared to him a lot. 6-10 size
Where have you been??
Evan Smotryz is a 6' 9" top 50-100 type player coming in next year.
He's not really a post, though. He's a wing player who happens to be tall.
Pittsnogle wasn't much of a post-player either - half his attempts came from 3-point, and he averaged 4 boards a game on his career. He was....a wing player who happened to be tall.
So, the Smotrycz comparison stands.
Well, it's splitting hairs a bit but their games are different. Although Pittsnogle operated mostly on the perimeter, I wouldn't exactly classify him as a wing. By "wing," I mean a guy who can actually put the ball on the floor and dish, in addition to being able to shoot. Smotrycz can do this.
I don't follow recruiting that much, but I did hear about Smotryz. Does he specialize in 3 point shooting like Pittsnogle?
Because to say he specialized in 3 point shooting would be far from accurate. Could he shoot the three? Yes. But he was not Reggie Miller.
He made over 400 3s in his career at West Virginia with a 3 point percentage of 42.
His stats at WV
You, my friend never watched Pittsnogle... That white boy did nothing but shoot the 3.
He was a 41% 3-point shooter on his career, and took about 1/2 his shots from there, dude.
Was Pittsnogle a Pittsnogle type player when he was being recruited?
I don't know the background, but if he wasn't that lends a lot of credibility to the "let's let our coach with the proven track record do his fucking job" crowd.
It ticks me off that we can get players like him know, but not then.
Blake McLimans is the closest thing to Pittsnogle that we have on the horizon. He was a true freshman this year but redshirted.
is the obvious answer (as posted by others) but he may still be a bit of a project. I don't expect him to really contribute until he is a junior. From what I've heard is that he was really dominated in practice for the 1st half of the year and has now begun to catch on. He needs to get some weight on his frame. One good thing going for him is that since he did one year at an academy and he redshirted, he turns 20 in a month. So he will be an old freshman and even better a really old senior. He should be able to continue to grow into his body and contribute later.
They are the closest things that we will have to a Kevin Pittsnogle next year.
Ben Cronin, 7' 265 would have been the closest thing Pittsnogle 6'11" 255, unfortunately his career appears to be over. Guys with Pittsnogle's height and weight who like to shoot 3's, are pretty rare, especially on the college level.
Pittsnogle before Pittsnogle?
I don't think so, at least not in college. Same with Bill Laimbeer, there was no 3 point line when Big Bill played for ND and I don't think Digger would have let him shoot them anyway.
Bob Lanier would have been fun to watch, I'm sure he would have extended his range, had there been a 3 point line. Make Tom Boerwinkle, Clifford Ray and those guys come out and guard him, opening things up for Jimmy Walker(Jalen's Dad) and Dave Bing
"Guys with Pittsnogle's height and weight who like to shoot 3's, are pretty rare, especially on the college level."
Yea, but if their is a player out their you'd think he would want to play in Beilein's offense.
I think he would and will, but again anybody like that is going to be highly recruited and the competition for his services fierce.
To me Duke and Coach K basically play the same style as Michigan but with more talented players. Duke has "struggled" in recent years because their teams have no inside presence.
Plumlee is a good example of that type of recruit and he is very interested in Michigan, but we are going to have to beat out Duke for his services. Finishing 2nd in recruiting doesn't get you shit.
McLimans and Smotrycz are both, I believe, slated for the "4", which, in Beilein's offense, is generally a guy with "post" height, but an outside stroke - Pittsnogle is sort of the definitiono what Beilein looks for from that position.
Neither McLimans nor Smotrycz are thought to be good post players (neither, of course, was Pittsnogle), but are supposed to be good shooters.
If you're in search of post offense, the only person we really have next year will be Morgan - who has a solid offensive game within 10 feet. We'll definitely miss Sims' range from the 5 spot, but Morgan isn't an offensive cripple, if he's healthy. Horford seems to be universally slated for "physical development" time.
I agree except Sims is a 4 also, we have no 5.
Point taken, but he played the 5, anyway.
Yeah, I'd agree that he played similar to what Beilein looks for out of the position, but I'd say that Sims' range was somewhat less than ideal for what Beilein is looking for (he's not that great a three-point shooter). Also, Sims is actually a very effective post-player on offense, unfortunately, it's trapped in the body of an NBA small forward.
Sims is the best post player we have, but I don't think he rates (very effective}, but he is a good point producer. Juwan Howard or Chris Weber would have thrived IMHO in Belien's system with their versatile games. Of course players that talented tend to thrive in most systems.
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I forgot about that because Michigan rarely has post players making 3s. Although Sims did make a couple huge 3s, like the Iowa game.
Does anybody really expect Belien to hit some sort of historic heghts while at Michigan?
Seriously, he had ONE magical run to the Elite Eight with a team that caught fire. He is at or near 55 years old. His career is very much otherwise undistinguished.
Many here have pointed out how Belien needs Hizz Playazz to fit The System and until and unless he gets them, well, this season is an example of what will happen.
Folks, Michigan basketball is a different (read: Big Ten) monster than what Belien was able to do in the Big East (well, really, he wasn't able to do much there, was he?).
In short, we are who we thought we were (if we were realistic): not much, and with a coach who is, you know, kinda pretty good, a good teacher of the game, but not a great recruiter. And he is staring up at the Midget of Iron Mountain, with no real way to overcome what is going on in Lansing.
I don't see why Michigan fans expect anything other than what happened last year with Belein. A nice season, losing one third of the games, and maybe some kind of run in the NCAA tourney where if everything goes right, you might make it to the final eight once every decade.
First of all, the Big East is frequently a stronger league than the Big Ten, so I don't understand why you'd belittle what he did there (at a school with virtually no natural advantages).
Second, if you look at his year-by-year Big East records, you'll see an upward progression each year except the last - when he faced a wholesale rebuilding job (and was picked to finish next-to-last), but still salvaged a 9-7 record. He most likely would have had them in conference contention had he stayed.
Third, the guy never recruited the kind of players at WVU that he is now. That was the main reason he came here, for access to more local talent. The team he fielded last year was far from ideal for his system. It had two former blue-chip recruits, sure, but after that, a bunch of undersized role players who mostly couldn't shoot. Look at the guys we have signed this year and are in on for this year and next. This is better caliber of player than Beilein has ever signed. If he can achieve success with second-rate guys, I'm excited to see what he can do with a team full of top 100 players (and actual depth, so we won't have to keep trotting out guys who shoot 29% from 3 for 35 minutes a game). We will hopefully never again start a 6'4" power forward, for starters.
You guys who champion Rodriguez and Belein act as if they are martyrs.
If both were so freaking great, the mess both are currently in wouldn't exist. Sorry, but great coaches win and win period, and don't have fans making excuse after excuse for them.
Unfortunately, that is what Michigan fans are reduced to these days: praying that The System will save us ONCE our system coaches get Their Playazz to enable them to fully install The System and win one national championship after another.
Sorry, ain't gonna happen.
And as for Belien with a roster "full of top 100 players," the current recruiting class features the #45 ranked shooting guard and yeah, the #17 ranked power forward whose other offers (according to Scout) are from Rice, UCF, and Oregon State.
Look, I know it's not cool here, or on Scout (the soulmate of this board since MgoGheyPoints were implemented) to criticize anything Michigan, but this basketball program is going to be mired in mediocrity for the rest of the lifetime of anyone who is near 50 years old or older.
And the football team is not destined for greatness anytime soon either.
But define "fine."
If by "fine" you mean around .500 in league play and an average of one trip to the NCAA Tournament every three years, well there you go.
For three years now I've read, on this and other Michigan boards, people continuously excuse what has gone on in basketball and football. Everyone from the media to assistant coaches to secret cabals of evil saboteurs to fans who don't "support the team" have been blamed.
And none more blamed or ripped than the players.
At what point does the head coach become the focus of the current status of the teams?
And who is this "big" that is "very likely to happen"? I also appreciate your enthusiasm for landing Ziegler--but dont share it. And what if he doesn't sign on with Belein? What then?
I don't know. I didn't expect much out of the Belein hire and so far that's what is happening. Any way you slice it, next year doesn't look good either. It just seems like more excuses are going to have to be invented.
It's like Mike Leach says;
"oh and people say we're a young team FUCK THAT!"