Beilein inquires about Josh Jackson

Submitted by ypsituckyboy on

Filed under "so you're sayin' there's a chance", Beilein apparently checked with Josh Jackson's mom to see if there was any interest. That's about all there is to it at this point, but I was surprised that even happened.

Apparently Jackson was set to decide this past Thursday but pushed it back a week or so for some reason. Most folks think he's going to Kansas, with a few thinking he may go to Zona if Rawle Atkins doesn't, and MSU fans think he's going to MSU.

MGlobules

March 28th, 2016 at 8:46 AM ^

over the last five years, in regular season and tournament record, after a decade and more of ignominy. Two years of NBA defections and three years of injuries. Good old Beilein. OaklandinPlay is going to sub in at coach.

I Love Lamp

March 28th, 2016 at 8:54 AM ^

To drop in on talent at the 11th hour and scoop them up. These relationships need to be developed much earlier than this. We aren't Duke, UNC, Kansas etc. So the comment of dropping in too late is more than fair. And so you know, I like Beilein overall, but he needs to adjust in a few areas, and this is one of them.

The Mad Hatter

March 28th, 2016 at 8:58 AM ^

http://247sports.com/Season/2016-Basketball/CompositeTeamRankings

2016 - 26th ranked class.

2015 - Not even in the top 100.

2014 - 28th ranked class.

2013 - 13th ranked class

2012 - 7th ranked class.

2011 - 27th ranked class.

2010 - 48th ranked class.

 

Say what you want about his coaching ability, but with our resources we should have a lot more than one top 10 class out of the last 7 years.  Beilein is a shitty recruiter.

True Blue Grit

March 28th, 2016 at 9:11 AM ^

to it than that.  I just think Beilein is one of the few honest, straight-shooters in the college basketball coaching world.  He tells kids the truth instead of kissing their asses and telling them a pack of lies.   On top of that, other school negative recruit him/the program - especially ones pursuing the same big men we are.  In order to be successful in the slimy reality of college basketball recruiting, you have to wallow in the pits with the slimers from the other schools.  And I doubt Beilein will ever do that.  

Trader Jack

March 28th, 2016 at 9:52 AM ^

Being informed =/= putting an asterisk next to anything. You asked if three kids going to the same high school matters when they're choosing a college to attend. Of course it does. If you want to stick your head in the sand and ignorantly point to recruiting rankings without considering the factors that went into the makeup of each class, go for it. But arguing the case for being less-informed seems pretty dumb.

tlo2485

March 28th, 2016 at 9:31 AM ^

Speaking of Penn state, they are laser focused on tunneling philly, and so far it is going pretty well. They are starting to get the catholic school and city league players to buy in. If they have some type of break put season (making the tourney), I could see this going pretty well for them.

The Mad Hatter

March 28th, 2016 at 9:19 AM ^

Top 20 at least.  There is not a single reason why Michigan basketball can't be an elite program year in and year out.

And I don't buy that the 25 - 100 teams that had higher ranked classes than we did are all dirty on the recruiting trail.  Sure, some are, but not all of them.

And if all of them are all in fact dirty, and we're the only squeaky clean program in all of D-1 MBB, then it's time to get our hands a little dirty again.

/Mediocrity is worse than failure

m83econ

March 28th, 2016 at 3:24 PM ^

AAU basketball is corrupt.  After the Chris Webber saga destroyed Michigan basketball for 10 years, it seems pretty clear that the mandate is to be as clean as possible.  Even if it means missing out on "talent".

pescadero

March 28th, 2016 at 10:09 AM ^

With Michigan's resources, name recognition, recent success, historic success, etc...

 

Michigan should be pulling in classes in 10-20 range every year, with occasional forays into the top 10.

 

We should never be outside the top 25 barring a year where we take almost no one due to roster imbalance.

Trader Jack

March 28th, 2016 at 11:10 AM ^

There are actually a lot of them, most of which have been discussed here ad nauseum. I think it's fair to say your expectations of Michigan recruiting at a level only 5 or so programs in the entire country reach, none of which include teams within our own conference with similar resources and much more storied histories, are a bit unrealistic.

pescadero

March 28th, 2016 at 11:39 AM ^

In terms of average recruiting rankings on scholarship this season: #1 - Kentucky #2 - Duke #3 - Florida #4 - Syracuse #5 - North Carolina #6 - Ohio State ... #10 - San Diego State ... #20 - Virginia ... #23 - Illinois #24 - Indiana #25 - Purdue #27 - Michigan State ... #30 - Notre Dame ... #37 - Gonzaga #38 - Vanderbilt #39 - Iowa State #40 - Cincinnati #41 - Michigan Does that really seem like acceptable recruiting for Michigan?

pescadero

March 28th, 2016 at 11:44 AM ^

"I think it's fair to say your expectations of Michigan recruiting at a level only 5 or so programs in the entire country reach, none of which include teams within our own conference with similar resources and much more storied histories, are a bit unrealistic."

Barring small classes (which I intentionally made an exception for) - both Ohio State and Michigan State recruit in that range.

 

Neither Ohio State nor Michigan State have "much more storied histories".

 

 

 

pescadero

March 28th, 2016 at 2:52 PM ^

In the last 10 years for MSU:

 

2016: #3

2015: #25 (small class)

2014: #48 (small class)

2013: #76 (small class)

2012: #12

2011: #21

2010: #10

2009: #28 (small class)

2008: #10

2007: #11

 

6/10 Top 25 classes, and everything outside that was small.

 

OSU:

2016: #58 (small class)

2015: #5

2014: #6

2013: #36 (small class)

2012: #89 (small class)

2011: #7

2010: #2

2009: unranked (zero commits)

2008: #2

2007: #6

 

6/10 Top 10 classes, and everything outside that was small.

 

"Since Izzo has been the coach, MSU has a more impressive program resume than Michigan does, by basically any measure you'd want to use. The same argument could easily be made for OSU."

Yes... but that is RECENT history. Even given that - the programs are very comparable when you look at total history.

 

Michigan: 1 National Championship, 5 runner up, 7 Final Fours, 14 B1G titles, 60.1% winning percentage

Michigan State: 2 National Championships, 1 runner up, 9 Final Fours, 13 B1G titles, 60.6% winning percentage

Ohio State: 1 National Championship, 4 runner up, 11 Final Fours, 22 B1G titles, 61.3% winning percentage

Trader Jack

March 28th, 2016 at 3:08 PM ^

A class of 3 signees, which is what MSU had in each of '15, '14, '13, and '09, is not small. It's almost 1/4 of an entire roster. In fact, Michigan had an equally "small class" in 2013, and finished with a much higher ranking.

Recent history is all that the prospects currently being recruited by each school care about. You think they're interested in hearing about what the program was like almost two decades before they were even born? Even when looking at the total history of each program which, again, isn't going to impress recruits as much as recent history is, MSU and OSU beat us on almost everything.

TL;DR what the heck are you talking about?

pescadero

March 28th, 2016 at 3:12 PM ^

"Recent history is all that the prospects currently being recruited by each school care about."

 

Yet we got no recruiting bump from 2012/13...

 

Prior to Izzo- Michigan DOMINATED the rivalry with MSU. Prior to Izzo, MSU was NOT a top 25 program nationally.

 

Izzo has made MSU a top 10 program nationally.

 

Why could MSU - without a storied past history and with less resources - ascend to those heights, but we are unable?

pescadero

March 28th, 2016 at 5:09 PM ^

So lets hear the list of legitimate reasons why MSU and OSU with similar long term histories can suddenly achieve what they have, but Michigan is incapable of doing so...

 

...but if your answer is "everyone that recruits better than us is cheating" - I'm not buying it.

Trader Jack

March 28th, 2016 at 7:17 PM ^

I mean, clearly Michigan isn't "incapable of doing so." Since you like to talk recent history... Recently, they won the conference title 2/3 years, went to the title game, and went to the elite eight. Should OSU fire Thad Matta for missing the tourney this year? We've had more "recent" success than they have



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