Beilein inquires about Josh Jackson
Filed under "so you're sayin' there's a chance", Beilein apparently checked with Josh Jackson's mom to see if there was any interest. That's about all there is to it at this point, but I was surprised that even happened.
Apparently Jackson was set to decide this past Thursday but pushed it back a week or so for some reason. Most folks think he's going to Kansas, with a few thinking he may go to Zona if Rawle Atkins doesn't, and MSU fans think he's going to MSU.
over the last five years, in regular season and tournament record, after a decade and more of ignominy. Two years of NBA defections and three years of injuries. Good old Beilein. OaklandinPlay is going to sub in at coach.
March 28th, 2016 at 12:48 PM ^
"We aren't Duke, UNC, Kansas, etc..."
You just named three of the four dirtiest programs in basketball. So no: 'we aren't Duke, UNC, Kansas, etc..."
http://247sports.com/Season/2016-Basketball/CompositeTeamRankings
2016 - 26th ranked class.
2015 - Not even in the top 100.
2014 - 28th ranked class.
2013 - 13th ranked class
2012 - 7th ranked class.
2011 - 27th ranked class.
2010 - 48th ranked class.
Say what you want about his coaching ability, but with our resources we should have a lot more than one top 10 class out of the last 7 years. Beilein is a shitty recruiter.
and that 7th ranked class led us to the final four
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to it than that. I just think Beilein is one of the few honest, straight-shooters in the college basketball coaching world. He tells kids the truth instead of kissing their asses and telling them a pack of lies. On top of that, other school negative recruit him/the program - especially ones pursuing the same big men we are. In order to be successful in the slimy reality of college basketball recruiting, you have to wallow in the pits with the slimers from the other schools. And I doubt Beilein will ever do that.
Harbaugh is a honest straight shooter and college football recruiting also is slimy yet we pull in top 5 classes. It just seems weird that Beilein is consistently outside the top 25 while PSU has a better class coming in.
What you say is true, but there are so many other incredible differences between Harbaugh and Beilein, the way they approach things, and their programs, that it's impossible to compare. I'd love to see a Beilein-Izzo Twitter throw down.
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Three of the four kids in that class are from the same school. Not sure that is going to happen again.
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Yes? It helps explain why they're all going to Penn State.
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Being informed =/= putting an asterisk next to anything. You asked if three kids going to the same high school matters when they're choosing a college to attend. Of course it does. If you want to stick your head in the sand and ignorantly point to recruiting rankings without considering the factors that went into the makeup of each class, go for it. But arguing the case for being less-informed seems pretty dumb.
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March 28th, 2016 at 10:08 AM ^
March 28th, 2016 at 10:26 AM ^
I'm assuming your opinion about how PSU "got the job done in recruiting" and M didn't was formed without you ever having watched a single second of any player in either class.
Speaking of Penn state, they are laser focused on tunneling philly, and so far it is going pretty well. They are starting to get the catholic school and city league players to buy in. If they have some type of break put season (making the tourney), I could see this going pretty well for them.
March 28th, 2016 at 11:23 AM ^
We are a football blue blood. Not so much in basketball. It is strange and disappointing that we didn't seem to benefit from the Championship/ Elite 8 run but a comparison to our football program is apples to oranges.
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March 28th, 2016 at 10:28 AM ^
Really? Those class rankings actually seem like what I'd expect. Some weak ones, some really good ones, some OK. How many top 10 classes is Beilein supposed to pull in?
All of them
Top 20 at least. There is not a single reason why Michigan basketball can't be an elite program year in and year out.
And I don't buy that the 25 - 100 teams that had higher ranked classes than we did are all dirty on the recruiting trail. Sure, some are, but not all of them.
And if all of them are all in fact dirty, and we're the only squeaky clean program in all of D-1 MBB, then it's time to get our hands a little dirty again.
/Mediocrity is worse than failure
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March 28th, 2016 at 11:07 AM ^
If you don't win clean, then you don't win. Cheating to win is not acceptable to most Michigan alums.
AAU basketball is corrupt. After the Chris Webber saga destroyed Michigan basketball for 10 years, it seems pretty clear that the mandate is to be as clean as possible. Even if it means missing out on "talent".
March 28th, 2016 at 10:09 AM ^
With Michigan's resources, name recognition, recent success, historic success, etc...
Michigan should be pulling in classes in 10-20 range every year, with occasional forays into the top 10.
We should never be outside the top 25 barring a year where we take almost no one due to roster imbalance.
March 28th, 2016 at 10:25 AM ^
So, basically, you want Michigan to do something no other team in the entire Big Ten does. Got it.
March 28th, 2016 at 10:55 AM ^
Yes.
There is no good or logical reason why Michigan should not be the best recruiting team in the B1G.
Last I knew, on average -
Michigan was about 4th in the B1G behind:
MSU
Ohio State
Indiana
March 28th, 2016 at 11:10 AM ^
There are actually a lot of them, most of which have been discussed here ad nauseum. I think it's fair to say your expectations of Michigan recruiting at a level only 5 or so programs in the entire country reach, none of which include teams within our own conference with similar resources and much more storied histories, are a bit unrealistic.
March 28th, 2016 at 11:39 AM ^
UM had one commit this past year (wagner), so that class is ranked outside the top 100 which vastly skews your averages. i bet if you take out that class, UM is in the top 20.
Exactly. He factors in the effects of a small class size when it suits him and convieniently forgets about it when it doesn't.
March 28th, 2016 at 11:44 AM ^
"I think it's fair to say your expectations of Michigan recruiting at a level only 5 or so programs in the entire country reach, none of which include teams within our own conference with similar resources and much more storied histories, are a bit unrealistic."
Barring small classes (which I intentionally made an exception for) - both Ohio State and Michigan State recruit in that range.
Neither Ohio State nor Michigan State have "much more storied histories".
March 28th, 2016 at 11:58 AM ^
Since Izzo has been the coach, MSU has a more impressive program resume than Michigan does, by basically any measure you'd want to use. The same argument could easily be made for OSU.
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In the last 10 years for MSU:
2016: #3
2015: #25 (small class)
2014: #48 (small class)
2013: #76 (small class)
2012: #12
2011: #21
2010: #10
2009: #28 (small class)
2008: #10
2007: #11
6/10 Top 25 classes, and everything outside that was small.
OSU:
2016: #58 (small class)
2015: #5
2014: #6
2013: #36 (small class)
2012: #89 (small class)
2011: #7
2010: #2
2009: unranked (zero commits)
2008: #2
2007: #6
6/10 Top 10 classes, and everything outside that was small.
"Since Izzo has been the coach, MSU has a more impressive program resume than Michigan does, by basically any measure you'd want to use. The same argument could easily be made for OSU."
Yes... but that is RECENT history. Even given that - the programs are very comparable when you look at total history.
Michigan: 1 National Championship, 5 runner up, 7 Final Fours, 14 B1G titles, 60.1% winning percentage
Michigan State: 2 National Championships, 1 runner up, 9 Final Fours, 13 B1G titles, 60.6% winning percentage
Ohio State: 1 National Championship, 4 runner up, 11 Final Fours, 22 B1G titles, 61.3% winning percentage
A class of 3 signees, which is what MSU had in each of '15, '14, '13, and '09, is not small. It's almost 1/4 of an entire roster. In fact, Michigan had an equally "small class" in 2013, and finished with a much higher ranking.
Recent history is all that the prospects currently being recruited by each school care about. You think they're interested in hearing about what the program was like almost two decades before they were even born? Even when looking at the total history of each program which, again, isn't going to impress recruits as much as recent history is, MSU and OSU beat us on almost everything.
TL;DR what the heck are you talking about?
"Recent history is all that the prospects currently being recruited by each school care about."
Yet we got no recruiting bump from 2012/13...
Prior to Izzo- Michigan DOMINATED the rivalry with MSU. Prior to Izzo, MSU was NOT a top 25 program nationally.
Izzo has made MSU a top 10 program nationally.
Why could MSU - without a storied past history and with less resources - ascend to those heights, but we are unable?
For a lot of different reasons. But asking an informed question like that is much better than rambling ignorantly about how you expect Michigan to achieve a level of recruiting that the program you're comparing them to right now (MSU) doesn't even reach.
So lets hear the list of legitimate reasons why MSU and OSU with similar long term histories can suddenly achieve what they have, but Michigan is incapable of doing so...
...but if your answer is "everyone that recruits better than us is cheating" - I'm not buying it.
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March 29th, 2016 at 12:46 PM ^
Matta has missed the tournament 3 out the last 16 years - and one of those was ineligible.
Belien has missed the tournament 8 out of the last 16 years.
2015 - Not even in the top 100.In fairness, we signed only one freshman and as a European, I'm not sure if he was factored in the rankings.
For some reason 247 included Brent Hibbits, a walk-on, in their commitments for Michigan, which appears to have significantly dragged down their overall rating for the 2015 class.