"Because they're Michigan and you are NOT"

Is the system, not Michigan. How do you think Oregon feels if they lose to UCLA and miss a BCS bowl while Stanford gets an autobid?

Also, Sparty, you don't like the situation you're in? We will trade you places. We are not afraid to play in a big game because we will lose and our instate rival will pass us. We embrace the challenge. What you do has no impact on how we view or play football.

Yeah some Spartans are pathetic. Even Valenti was crying 2 weeks ago before the Nebraska game saying stuff like, Man I hope Michigan loses its last 2 games so MSU doesn't get passed up after losing in the B1G championship game...

It's like, what kind of attitude is that? As a fan I would expect my team to win the championship. It's like they are admitting they will lose and are pissed off about it because they know a 2 loss Michigan team will pass them up. Get over it! Maybe you shouldn't have lost to an inferior ND and Nebraska team.

This is completely in line with the David Mayo (another hack) article in the Grand Rapids Press yesterday talking about the "tough spot" the Spartans are in, just preparing their fanbase for the eventual Dantonio head explosion that will happen if (when) they lose to the Badgers on Saturday night.

Maybe it's not fair, but that's the way it is: the BCS has its rules and after #1 vs. #2, it's all about creating interesting matchups and, more importantly, $$$$$$$$$$.

And it's not like this hasn't happened before. Remember in 2001 when Nebraska got to play for the national championship despite not even winning its division? Playing a conference championship game can be a blessing or a curse. The Big 12 made statements to the effect of "we won't miss it."

Agree with other posters: focus on what you can control, Sparty. Take care of business, and you can earn your resounding defeat at the hands of Oregon in the Rose Bowl.

Wouldn't it be great to see a "This is Michigan State" football video -- 1 BCS bowl appearance in 45 years, no bowl wins in 10 years, 49-7, with clips of Braylon in OT, CMU's onside kick and game-winning field goal, and Mike Hart's Little Brother blast. Go Badgers!

Sparty's obsession with Michigan is overpowering them, and will ultimately cause them to lose this Saturday.  personally, I think our chances of getting a BCS bowl are pretty slim but it would be the icing on the cake of this AWESOME season. GO BLUE!!!

Couple of reasons

For one, while sparty only has two losses on their scheule, they were both blowouts that were over by the 3rd quarter. Add to this the fact that Michigan BEAT both of those teams, including a blowout against Nebraska

Also, sparty has a horrendous bowl record in the past decade, which doesn't make them a very attractive candidate.

MSU grad here and I am new to this board.  I was on "tailgate" but it is so bad that for any real football info I actually came here.  First off, I am really impressed with UM this year and they are about two years ahead of where I thought they would be.  Robinson is actually starting to resemble a real QB.  That being said, UM takes a step back next year due to the schedule (every big game is on the road except MSU). 

At the end of the day, all MSU has to do is win against UW.  Unlike many of the MSU "fans" out there, personally I think that there is no better place to be...in total control of your own destiny...Should MSU lose, they are at the mercy of the BCS and will probably be passed over by UM due to fan following and money (advertising, etc.) if UM can get into the top 14 in the BCS rankings.  I don't like it, but that is the reality.  As I tell my MSU bretheran...string together 8-10 years of 9 and 10 win seasons in a row then people will take notice.  Until then we have nothing to talk about since every team in the B1G has been to a Rose Bowl (except Indiana and Minn) since MSU last went on 1/1/88. 

Here is where I differ from a lot fo you on here.  You can bang your chest all you want about ND, but remember that it took basically a miracle to beat a "bad" ND team at home.  MSU played them the next week on the road with ND's entire season at stake.  When you combine that with Cousins playing like he was a freshman in HS and Rousher calling one of the worst games of his life, they had no chance.  Nebraska...Score says it all...again on the road.  MSU went to Iowa and took care of business and not to mention that little game in East Lansing.  My point is that if you want to talk about teams that MSU lost to and UM beat, you need to talk about the teams that UM lost to that MSU beat.  This on top of the fact that you don't play UW this year. 

I know I am going to get flamed and killed for this post, but I just wanted you to know that like UM's fan base, not all MSU fans are homer idiots and can be objective.   

With MSU playing Wisconsin in Indianapolis, I wondered, "What golf tournament is on tv, the first weekend in December?"

I had to post because while driving to the airport on Sunday morning, I was listening to 97.1. Some guy named Pat something or other was pulling the same Sparty line about MSu getting screwed over a BCS game. Well Sparty, then go on the field and EARN IT. You have a chance to play in the Rose Bowl, so show up and play.

On another note, this same brainiac also said something about how Dantonio should win B1G coach of the year over Hoke because his team beat Michigan in a head to head. No mention that he lost almost no one to graduation last year (LB or two) and essentially finished with the same numbers. How about turning around the worst defense in the B1G to one of the best in the nation with the same players? Doesn't count for anything?

Second dumb thing he kept hounding on was that he felt that the MSU-UM rivalry was more important to Michigan than the Ohio rivarly. It was at this point I realized he was beyond all hope of rational thought.

Sparty deserves the little brother moniker.

"Because they're Michigan and you are not." Perfect!

This is going to be really killer if it does go down. Sparty having their dream season, beating Michigan, and then being passed over by the BCS BY Michigan! What's great is that they are constantly screwing themselves into a frenzy trying to explain to US that they are relevant. Now the completely objective BCS voters and bowl hosts will be the ones passing up on Sparty to take Michigan. It's the ultimate snub in their minds! Oh, please, please, please let this happen!

On a side note, I finally came upon the ultimate Sparty put-down this week when I told a buddy, "Even when State is good, their boring." Which is a crushing truth.

"...they're boring."

And I was an English major, fergodsakes!

If this all happens and State fans put up 10-12 billboards to complain about the BCS:

http://espn.go.com/blog/bigten/post/_/id/21140/spartans-fans-resort-to-billboard-material

the BCS will lose a lot of respect for MSU.

I wonder if Texas Tech fans are complaining that Oklahoma will probably get a BCS bid and Texas Tech won't, despite the fact that Texas Tech beat Oklahoma in Norman.

Sound reasonable, Sparty?

1. Dantonio has done a very nice job at MSU with what he was given, so Sparty fans do have a right to be proud and feel entitled.

2. However, Hoke did an even better job with what he was given this year.  His staff's first year, and even though the cupboard wasn't bare, it was obvious for weeks that Borges was struggling fitting the square parts into the round holes, but finally solved it down the stretch, long after the MSU game.

3. UM beat both opponents that beat MSU - ND and Nebby.

4. The MSU game was UM's worst, and UM has steadily improved every single week, to the point where any MSU fan claiming they'd once again convincingly win a rematch right now would be reaching. 

5. UM's two losses were both close.  Recall we were driving late for a tie when Denard threw pick six vs Sparty, and we got ref jobbed twice vs Iowa.  On the other hand, Sparty was CRUSHED by mediocre Nebraska.

6. Most importantly, 3 losses, and close to four if not for a hail mary, is not much of a pedestal upon which to preach BCS worthiness.

The loser of a conference championship game always gets screwed on bowl selection.  That's the way this system is.  They wind up with an extra loss, a season-ending loss at that.

That hurts them in the rankings.  It also hurts them with bowl selection committees since a disillusioned fan base that has just traveled to a conference championship game and lost is not as likely to now travel to a "lesser" bowl game than the one they had their sights set on.

This is true for all conferences.  This was not set up to shaft Michigan State, they're just the first ones to experience it in the B1G.  Next year, it will be someone else.

So what?  You have a shot at the Rose Bowl.  That's all anyone can ask for.  Ya pays your money, ya takes your chances.

by this?  No one cares about sparty.  Their campus sux, they cant sell out 80,000 seats on a good day, they are below average in academics.  The basketball run is over and the hockey is laughable.  I wish they would go to the Big East so we can forget about them.

We are college football, we are America's team.  Of course the BCS wants us, we deliver.  A collective sigh went out after we beat ohio.