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November 27th, 2013 at 11:26 AM
#1
Beat Ohio
November 27th, 2013 at 11:32 AM
#2
.....
November 27th, 2013 at 11:46 AM
#3
I'll bet...
you can't wait to see the OSU Band do their Script Ohio "State" on Saturday.... oh... yeah.
November 27th, 2013 at 11:49 AM
#4
Yup
Right after they sing "Carmen Ohio State" and leave the "Ohio State Stadium"
November 27th, 2013 at 12:25 PM
#5
And don't forget how they
And don't forget how they don't give a damn for the whole state of Michigan, because they're from Ohio State.
November 27th, 2013 at 1:24 PM
#8
Yeah...
November 27th, 2013 at 5:13 PM
#9
Having to provide examples to
Having to provide examples to justify a condescending nickname makes it less funny, imo. Just call us Ohio, you don't have to justify it, it defeats the whole purpose.
November 27th, 2013 at 11:57 AM
#10
I mean dont they call us the team up north? so we
I mean dont they call us the team up north? so we both have a little man complex?
November 27th, 2013 at 11:57 AM
#11
Ohio's entire program is founded on an inferiority complex
that's why they give out Gold Pants
November 27th, 2013 at 1:42 PM
#12
Yeah? Well that ''inferiority
Yeah? Well that ''inferiority complex'' has run our asses over 8 of the last 9 games and won 6 big ten titles to our none. I'll take whatever they're having, please.
November 27th, 2013 at 1:43 PM
#13
Gold pants...
...that just happen to be stamped with the word "OHIO."
November 27th, 2013 at 12:52 PM
#14
I actually enjoy the "Ohio"
I actually enjoy the "Ohio" and "the team up north" thing. Definitely adds to the rivalry. I could do without the "scUM" and other childlike nicknames, though.
November 27th, 2013 at 12:01 PM
#15
Seeing
as how Urban Meyer apologized profusely and vowed never to do it again after calling us Michigan instead of "That Team Up North," I really don't think inferiority has much to do with it. This game is still fun regardless of where we are in the rankings man. Loosen up, it is Ohio.
November 27th, 2013 at 11:45 AM
#16
Clap, clap, clap-clap-clap...
Repeat ad infinitum.
November 27th, 2013 at 11:46 AM
#17
Am I a bad fan if I want us
Am I a bad fan if I want us to win -- but,if we should lose, to lose by some ungodly amount that forces sweeping changes?
November 27th, 2013 at 11:50 AM
#18
yes
indeed
November 27th, 2013 at 12:02 PM
#19
At this point I don't think
At this point I don't think the margin of the loss to Ohio would impact Brandon and Hoke's post-season decisionmaking much at all because too much damage has already been done.
Our offense's performance this year has been the football equivalent of virtually every conceivable embarrassing scenario short of cheating:
1. Getting caught with your pants down by your mother-in-law.
2. Having your mom walk in on you while pleasuring yourself.
3. Having the guy in the next car over catch you as you're digging for gold in your nose.
4. Having your boss tell you your zipper is down.
5. Riding your bike by Charlie's on South U on the way to class, and while you wave at three hot coeds seated at one of the tables, you flip your bike over the curb and taking a facial onto the pavement.
6. Getting called on in class and having no answer because you didn't study.
Goes on and on. This is how Hoke has to feel at this point if he's a true Michigan Man, and Brandon too. This season has been an absolute embarrassment - the worst I can ever recall relative to expectations. The RichRod embarrassments paled in comparison. The App State/Oregon year would have trumped this, but at least that year was tempered by a 38-0 pasting of ND and beating Fryar Tebow and Urbz in the bowl.
Victory this Saturday will be the only thing to impact what should be Hoke and Brandon's temperament heading into this off-season.
November 27th, 2013 at 12:01 PM
#20
Yes, that makes you a bad
Yes, that makes you a bad fan. I am serious.
November 27th, 2013 at 12:07 PM
#21
Sweeping
changes are not at all what this program needs. Sweeping changes is what got us here in the first place, and another round of sweeping changes will only ensure we stay here for the foreseeable future. If Borges is replaced so be it, and hopefully it would be successful, but I don't want to an entirely new "regime." At some point you stick with something until it works. Hoke has taken us to and won a BCS game, broke a 4 game streak to State, and broke a 6 game streak to Ohio. His worst season has been better than Rich Rod's best. Don't lose the forest for the trees. This is still happenning.
November 27th, 2013 at 12:15 PM
#22
"Bad Fan"...
I hate using the term "bad fan" with anyone because people are simply trying to envision scenarios which would suit their perception of the program's needs. However, what I believe you are asking for here is something which would not happen regardless of the outcome on Saturday (strategic changes perhaps, but not wholesale changes). To that end, it makes this an urealistic wish if nothing else.
November 27th, 2013 at 12:21 PM
#23
Actually,
I think there is a threshold level of defeat on Saturday that could result in more changes than we think if exceeded. If the stadium is 60% red, the final score like 60-13, and it being quite clear that nobody on our sideline has the slightest idea what to do could result in something. Like I said, it would have to be historically bad, but I do think that there could be a flatout UNACCEPTABLE kind of loss among the many unacceptable losses that could happen.
November 27th, 2013 at 12:35 PM
#24
Is there any kind of loss
Is there any kind of loss that's acceptable, in your opinion?
November 27th, 2013 at 12:51 PM
#25
Yes. Two types.1. The kind
Yes. Two types.
1. The kind where you lose fairly after giving it your best shot. Perhaps someone should have introduced such a concept to Tressel who apparently found no loss acceptable, even at the expense of his integrity, his reputation and that of your program.
2. The type where after you lose, you realize you're still not a Buckeye or a Buckeye fan. Pretty acceptable to me.
November 27th, 2013 at 1:45 PM
#26
I have a fresh example
The bowl game loss to South Carolina. That was 2 good teams that fought hard, both played well, and one team had the ball at the end and made a good play to win.
Sure, I would have preferred a win, but a loss like that isn't a loss to mope about.
November 27th, 2013 at 2:08 PM
#27
Absolutely
Any loss that is close enough to keep ohio from getting votes propelling them into the NC game, considering the Iron Bowl is going on Saturday as well.
Yes, I'm that bitter.
November 27th, 2013 at 1:58 PM
#28
That's what happened to Bump
He was 8-1 coming into Columbus but got pasted 50-14. Canham had no problem asking him to step down!
DB will never do this since Hoke is his coach. Hoke will get to play out his contract. Hoke knows this that's why I think he will give Borges one more year. I'm sure we will lose four again next season then Hoke will dump Borges. So we are quite a ways away from being a good team.
November 27th, 2013 at 2:14 PM
#29
Bump was also, like, in his
Bump was also, like, in his ninth or 10th season as head coach.
P.S. re: this and the other 10 million posts with some variation on "Dave Brandon/Brady Hoke will NEVER blah blah blah."
Nobody but Dave Brandon or Brady Hoke knows what Dave Brandon or Brady Hoke will do, Random Internet Guy. Quit pretending you know shit that you not only don't know, but cannot possibly know.
/petpeeve
November 27th, 2013 at 12:28 PM
#30
Dylan, same boat as you. I
Dylan, same boat as you. I want what's best for Michigan in the long run... and if it means starting over... again. So be it.
That said, I dont want it to come to that. Beat Ohio!
November 27th, 2013 at 1:49 PM
#31
The problem is that it is no guarantee
that the situation would improve. Both of you are a disgrace to the fan base.
November 27th, 2013 at 3:08 PM
#32
The day you accept less than
The day you accept less than perfection, is the day you begin accepting mediocrity.
I will never, ever root against the maize 'n blue. But I will also never root for moral victories and to only lose by less than 14 points as this regime currently seems to accept. If that's what you deem to be a true fan, then I'm not the problem.
November 27th, 2013 at 12:37 PM
#33
well,
i don't know about "bad fan" as a specific phrase.
i DO know that i absolutely hate being around fans that ever, under any circumstances, root for the kids on the field to get their asses handed to them, whether such idiots think it's better in the long run or not.
go away. please.
November 27th, 2013 at 11:48 AM
#34
Good Sign
Look at the OP's point total.
Michigan is going to win!!!
November 27th, 2013 at 11:58 AM
#35
If it makes anyone feel
If it makes anyone feel better, my season of NCAA Football 2k14 has an unranked Michigan team beating #4 OSU at the big house 34-30 in a simulated game. Let's hope my Xbox 360 would not mislead me with it's virtual predictions.
November 27th, 2013 at 12:01 PM
#36
Did you make sure to scale
Did you make sure to scale back the OL blocking ratings to 40?
November 27th, 2013 at 12:03 PM
#37
Beat Ohio!
Beat Ohio (State)!
November 27th, 2013 at 12:13 PM
#38
Ideal Situation
The ideal situation is to win 10-7. We get a field goal and a pick six (with EP of course). Otherwise our offense is awful and gain only about 150 total yards of offense. Our D on the other hand is lights out and we hold them to one TD for the day.
A win, but another reminder of how far our offense has to go.
GO BLUE regardless of the outcome. Just think, if fans gave up on their teams after a bad season or two, MSU wouldn't even have a program anymore.
November 27th, 2013 at 12:29 PM
#39
Beat 'em with a stick.
Beat 'em with a stick.
November 27th, 2013 at 12:34 PM
#40
Anyone else live downtown-ish
Anyone else live downtown-ish Ann Arbor and already dreading the onslaught of missing links, library masturbators, cooler poopers, and cave dwellers this weekend?
November 27th, 2013 at 12:38 PM
#41
BEAT OHIO
BEAT OHIO
November 27th, 2013 at 12:38 PM
#42
damn straight.
beat those bastards.
November 27th, 2013 at 12:40 PM
#43
BEAT OHIO
BEAT OHIO!
And yes, anyone rooting against Michigan in this game because they perceive that a through beat down will lead to regime change is a terrible fan. Root for your freaking team. Beating Ohio would do a hell of a lot more to stabilize our program, build momentum, calm worried recruits (see Peppers) and improve our program's morale than losing by 50, replacing our entire staff yet again, rebuilding yet again and becoming even more of a program that is in chaos.
A big win this weekend changes the whole media narrative from "Michigan Coach yet again on the hot seat as team loses, yet again, to its 'rival'" to "Hoke leads young, inexperienced Michigan team to victory and ruins a potential NC season for its bitter rival." Which headline and resulting narrative going into the bowl and offseason do you think makes it more likely that we keep peppers and close out the upcoming recruiting class successfully?
November 27th, 2013 at 12:55 PM
#44
Agreed. I want Borges gone,
Agreed. I want Borges gone, and I want nothing standin the way of his departure, but there is no way in hell I am rooting against these kids. They have virtually no shot but if they win it will be the greatest upset win in UM history. My breath will not be held however. When you're out talented and out coached, at least go and out class the opposition. Let's hope our team and fans all put their best foot forward even in this dire situation.
November 27th, 2013 at 4:58 PM
#45
Amen
Fight. Beat ohio
November 27th, 2013 at 12:42 PM
#46
I'm rocking my Worst State
I'm rocking my Worst State Ever shirt in the office today. It's quite the conversation starter here in D.C. We've got people from all over the country here and they all seem to agree with the shirt.
November 27th, 2013 at 2:11 PM
#47
Yep, you have to...
Even in the face of insurmountable odds and the knowledge that Michigan has close to no shot to winning this game, all ohio fans still get the obligatory "ohio sucks" and familiar hatred from me for this week. Sun comes up, sun goes down, taxes are paid in April...we all hate ohio. Its just the way it goes.
November 27th, 2013 at 12:44 PM
#48
ME - O - MY - OH
BEAT OHIO
November 27th, 2013 at 12:52 PM
#49
Let's go blue
Devin Gardner's prediction at the beginning of the season. "This is a championship caliber team who will win in the Big House on November 30" we now know this isn't a championship type season, but hopefully the second part of his prediction holds true! Go Blue!
November 27th, 2013 at 12:53 PM
#50
In the past, BiSB and Brian
In the past, BiSB and Brian have pointed out how amazing it is that Ohio fans actually have a song about how they don't care about Michigan. Albeit, it is limited in lyrics with words with less than 3 syllables for ease of remembrance, that type of mindset is just comical. When I told my father in-law that actually Michigan fans care less because we have 2 other rivals to spread the hate towards and we just didn't have the time nor care to write a song about Ohio, his head exploded.
November 27th, 2013 at 1:06 PM
#51
Shut those MF'ers
November 27th, 2013 at 1:20 PM
#52
Is that pic
from '81 or '83?
November 27th, 2013 at 1:21 PM
#53
A few thoughts from a Buckeye
Let the hatred flow this week. It is a guilty pleasure that no one outside either university can completely understand. For those of you that think we don't consider UM to be rivals anymore, look on the lantern website (www.thelantern.com) and you will find our "Hate Michigan" traditions in full swing. The mirror lake jump, using red tape to "red out" every "M" on every sign on campus, etc.
Your guys will bring their best game onto the field Saturday. They always do when they play us.
Ignore the Walmart Buckeyes this Saturday. We have to ignore the Walmart Wolverines that come to Columbus. When all of the BS behavior of the nut-cases is stripped away from the game, the rivalry remains just as intense, but is just a lot more fun.
Hoke is not anywhere near as big a problem as Borges and Funk are. The good news is that if Hoke has the stones to replace them, things will get a lot better for your team in a hurry. The problem isn't your talent...it is your offensive coaching staff.
I have enough scars from the Cooper years to ever forget that this thing between us is cyclical. With that said...
GO BUCKS! Show no mercy!
November 27th, 2013 at 1:32 PM
#54
Some POSITIVE Thoughts for Ohio State Week
Just wanted to put my two cents in the week of the biggest game on the regular season schedule. Brian and the responding posters have written an encyclopedia on the whole issue of “fickle.” This may be piling on, but my response to Brian is that everything you say is objectively true, but C’MON MAN! You bring THIS attitude to the week of the Ohio State game? How exactly did you expect Coach Hoke to handle that question at a news conference? Let me offer three possibilities, roughly based on comment found in this blog site:
“Yup, our OC is a cretin, and George Cstanza would make a better position coach that the guys we have working with the offense this year. I fired all of them just before this press conference. So, anyone want to call offensive plays for us this Saturday? We’re having an open try-out on Thursday, after the Lions game is over.”
Or perhaps,
“Listen fellas. What do you think we can accomplish with a whole slew of interior O-line recruits, each and every one of them well on the way to the ‘recruiting bust’ career path? You think it’s bad now? Wait till next season when they are one year closer to the ‘Big Will Campbell Career Achievement Award,’ and we have sent our two tackles to the NFL while replacing them with more of the same. You think this Saturday will be ugly? Hey, enjoy it while it lasts, cause 2014 will be much worse.”
Then there is my personal favorite,
“Thank you all for coming. We all worked very hard and ran a tough an competitive campaign. However, just a few minutes ago I called Coach Meyer and congratulated him on his impressive victory. I look forward to working with him to bring the Conference together for the Bowl season.”
There have been numerous demands on this blog for “accountability” with the coaches and players on this team. The thing is that what these folks really want is “accountability” in a press conference where they can all see it. Coach Hoke is the “boss” of the assistant coaches and players. You are asking him to communicate to his people in public, in a press conference messages that are best said one on one, in private. That’s not accountability; that’s putting people in the stocks on the village green and pelting them with rotten tomatoes. Call me nuts, but I don’t think that is effective leadership. So, I circle back to my original question, what answer was he supposed to give? Given that he was not going to throw his team under the bus in public, and that he was not going to reveal the game plan that would change everything where OSU could hear it and take notes, what answer could he have provided that would have satisfied you?
Let we also comment on the whole Coach Borges mishegas. If it were my decision, I would fire him and the entire offensive coaching staff after we play in the Manny’s Bail Bonds Bowl in Fresno, CA. However, it is not my decision; it’s Coach Hokes’. Again call me crazy (lots of people do; just ask my wife), but I have greater confidence in Coach Hokes’ judgment on this issue than my own, or in the judgment of any of the self appointed loudmouths (I include myself in this category) in this blog. If Coach Hoke thinks his current staff has the people to make things better next year, I’m OK with that. However, I do think Coach Hoke’s position needs to be open to discussion if we continue to see no improvement again.
We all think we know what will happen this Saturday, and we have a reasonable and informed basis for believing that (discussed ad nauseam in the many excellent posts to this blog). However, at the start of the season, we all had a reasonable and informed basis to believe our team would be 8-4 to 9-3 during the regular season. Then after the Notre Dame game, we all had a reasonable and informed basis to think Coach Borges could call an excellent game and that we’d be 10-1 or 11-0 heading into this weekend. Point is that even with all the excellent attempts to understand what is happening (and I mean that sincerely; I have learned a ton and understand much better after reading all the outstanding posts on this web site), all our analysis means precisely jack-s___ if a team full of 19 and 20 year olds finally “get it” and start playing to their potential. Let me make one attempt to rationalize some sense of hope. Beating a pretty good ND defense actually happened. Laying 42 points on a better than expected Minnesota team actually happened. Winning a track meet against Indiana when the defense couldn’t adjust to the Hoosiers’ offense really happened. It would be so Al Borges for him to have been working on a whole new offensive concept since the Michigan State game that he has kept under wraps for Ohio State, believing it would not be necessary to hang with the likes of Nebraska, Northwestern and Iowa (and he was two plays away from being exactly right about that).
Finally, let’s talk about the karma deficit. After several decades of lording it over the Little 8 (along with Ohio State) and growing complacent, for our sins we were given 4 or so seasons where we lost each and every one of the Ohio State games and the Bowl game following, The Horror followed by the laying an egg for the Ducks game, three years of having a coach who was inexplicably awful in every facet of coaching (and has done solid work both before and after coming to Michigan), and the current fine kettle of fish with his successor. Meanwhile, our biggest rival goes out and hires the most sanctimonious and simultaneously ethically challenged coach in the history of college football (“whitened sepulcher” only scratches the surface with ex-Coach Tressel), who then goes on to own two Michigan coaches; they cheat, and not just “practice time” infractions, actual athletes getting actual money and other perks; they stone-wall the NCAA, twice (first Coach Tressel lying to the NCAA when he should have revealed the tattoo business, and then covering up with the connivance of the Ohio DMV the whole car business); they win a Bowl game with ineligible players; evade more serious sanctions by blaming Coach Tressel to the NCAA, then once the NCAA and its staff of Jacques Clouseau have gone away, they carry him off the field on their shoulders before a national TV audience (“ha, ha, we sure put one over on you”); for their sins, they suffer only one season of a .500 record; they hire another ethically challenged coach and promptly go 12-0 against inferior competition (including, alas, our team), and then celebrate their “undefeated” season when they were ineligible to play in the post-season; then go 11-0 in the following year with the said ethically challenged coach (so they have never lost with him in charge), and head into their game with us in the conversation for a national championship, and when our entire team is in disarray. Call me nuts, but this is the best set-up I have ever heard for a team getting its richly-deserved comeuppance in a truly epic fashion.
November 27th, 2013 at 1:34 PM
#55
November 27th, 2013 at 2:19 PM
#56
For a second there
before I followed the link my brain went: A car dealership giving out free cars? Probably giving them to the OSU players.
November 27th, 2013 at 1:52 PM
#59
CLAP. CLAP.
CLAP CLAP CLAP
November 27th, 2013 at 4:56 PM
#60
GO BLUE
and send the mullets in red packing for their trip back to ohio.
November 27th, 2013 at 9:06 PM
#61
Idea for New Thread
What would be more fun to see; a big Michigan upset victory on Saturday, or Al Borges put in a headstock and pelted with rotten tomatoes by the entire town of A.A.? I myself would take the win over O.S.U., but I'd bet a fair number of people would choose the other. T.I.C.
November 28th, 2013 at 12:06 AM
#62
It's great..to be...a
It's great..to be...a Michigan Wolverine!!!!
