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November 27th, 2011 at 9:31 PM
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BCS simplified...

 

We need TWO out of these FIVE things to happen to make the top 14 (although if Georgia wins, we might not even get the at-large):

 

1) Pokes beat up on Sooners.  By a lot preferably.

2) Les Miles takes care of business and helps out his alma mater.

3) Little Bro hits puberty for a day and wins (or loses by a LOT, like 35 a lot).

4)  Boise has one of the biggest upsets ever and loses to New Mexico.  Ain't gonna happen.

5)  K St loses to ISU...also unlikely, but who knows.

 

At this point, I don't think we can count on losses by LSU, Houston, Okie St, Oregon, or Va Tech to put them below us.

 

[Edit:  added K St...sorry I forgot they were "good"]

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November 27th, 2011 at 9:37 PM | I've seen it posted tons of (Score:2)
VideoTom
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I've seen it posted tons of times...but why exactly do the computers love the Big 12? I don't think they are a particularly strong conference.

November 27th, 2011 at 9:41 PM | They were great non-conference (Score:2)
AAB
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only lost a couple of games total I believe.  

There is no time, sir, at which ties do not matter.

November 27th, 2011 at 9:41 PM | They play nine conference (Score:2)
enlightenedbum
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They play nine conference games so considerably fewer total creampuffs on their schedules.  And the computers having margin of victory eliminated means that schedule strength is pretty much everything.  The Big 12 also didn pretty well in terms of winning non-conference games this year, if I remember right.

November 27th, 2011 at 9:41 PM | Some of the computers do not (Score:3 Normal)
Sckon
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Some of the computers do not recompute until the end of the season. Hence the reason for Texas A and M being in the top 20 for some computers. There will be a big shift, so expect any questionable teams (South Carolina for instance) to drop significantly once the computers are allowed to recompute some of the inputs.

November 27th, 2011 at 9:53 PM | Where? (Score:5 Normal)
goblue7612
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Where have you read this?

November 27th, 2011 at 9:37 PM | BCS Simplified Indeed (Score:3 Normal)
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November 27th, 2011 at 9:37 PM |  What is all this talk that (Score:4 Normal)
Gorgeous Borges
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 What is all this talk that Michigan State won't move behind us if they lose the Big 10 Championship Game?

November 27th, 2011 at 9:41 PM | Absolutely agree. MSU losing (Score:4 Normal)
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Absolutely agree. MSU losing next weekend will drop them well below us. Even a close loss. There is a pretty big anti-Big Ten bias in the polls that has existed for a while. When we lose, even to good competition, we often drop 8 or 9 spots. When SEC teams lose, they drop about  half that.

November 27th, 2011 at 10:31 PM | There's atty big gap between (Score:1)
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There's atty big gap between #13MSU and #16Michigan. And given MSU beat UM head to head, if MSU drops Michigan might drop too. That will only hurt our chance of making the top14. Our best bet is MSU beat Wisconsin and they drop behind.

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November 27th, 2011 at 10:02 PM | yea....the OP kind of (Score:4 Normal)
orobs
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yea....the OP kind of butchered these

November 27th, 2011 at 10:06 PM | I think it is a mark of the stupidity of the polls, and the BCS (Score:2 Normal)
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if MSU, by virtue of going to the Big Ten Championship game and losing, drops below a Michigan team that they beat soundly and therefore did not go to the Championship Game.

So having said that, I hope nobody minds if I root for Dantonio, Narduzzi & Co. to lose by 50.

 

 

November 27th, 2011 at 10:40 PM | I don't care who you root (Score:1)
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I don't care who you root for, but if MSU loses, then Michigan's SOS takes a hit in the computers. If they win, then it goes up.

November 27th, 2011 at 9:37 PM | Don't forget Iowa State. (Score:2)
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Don't forget Iowa State. Let's hope they can slay the dragon again.

I know from experience dude. If you know what I mean.

November 27th, 2011 at 9:38 PM | I would also include KSU (Score:1)
NYC Blue
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I would also include KSU losing to ISU.  Not likely, but since you included Boise losing to New Mexico, I thought I would include that.

 

November 27th, 2011 at 9:39 PM | Guh. (Score:1)
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Sparty ACTUAL B1G Champs..... Excuse me while I puke...Wait, ahh f**k it, no excuse needed.

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November 27th, 2011 at 9:39 PM | What hurt us more (Score:0 Normal)
November 27th, 2011 at 9:42 PM | Not true.  The computer (Score:4 Normal)
turd ferguson
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Not true.  The computer rankings don't incorporate margin of victory.  Style points only help with the "human" polls.

November 27th, 2011 at 10:05 PM | True but what I mean by it is (Score:0)
November 27th, 2011 at 10:12 PM | The computers don't factor in (Score:1)
madtadder
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The computers don't factor in the human votes. Otherwise the whole thing would be extremely redundant.

November 27th, 2011 at 9:40 PM | Delete. (Score:-1 Flamebait)
November 27th, 2011 at 9:40 PM | A 2 loss Michigan team (Score:5 Normal)
AAB
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will be ahead of a 3 loss MSU or Wisconsin team, even if that team loses in overtime.  This is how the voters work.  

There is no time, sir, at which ties do not matter.

November 27th, 2011 at 9:41 PM | You don't think a Houston (Score:2)
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You don't think a Houston loss will drop them below us?

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November 27th, 2011 at 9:43 PM | A Houston loss would be pure (Score:1)
Sckon
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A Houston loss would be pure joy.

November 27th, 2011 at 9:43 PM | Loser of BTCG won't stay ahead of us! (Score:4 Normal)
GRMichFan
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I see no way that the loser btwn MSU and Wisc stays above us.  Won't happen.  This time next week we will be 14th.

November 27th, 2011 at 9:45 PM | It would be interesting to (Score:1)
Sckon
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It would be interesting to see where State would land if they lost (not taking into account the score). This is why the BCS is screwed up because it actually can be disadvantageous to be in the Championship game.

November 27th, 2011 at 9:43 PM | This isn't correct (or even (Score:2)
turd ferguson
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This isn't correct (or even all that close to correct).  It's much more complicated and less certain than this.

One point on which we agree, though:  Michigan needs an LSU win next week.

November 27th, 2011 at 9:44 PM | Houston (Score:1)
bmacjr11
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Agree with the OP to a point... However, I don't see a one-loss Houston being ranked ahead of Michigan.. That would mean they lose to So.Miss(which is possible).. That would be detrimental to them in every poll and ultimately the computers.. I am also not so sure a second loss in a row by okie st. would not drop them a ton.. But that is definitely a lot less probable. 100% agreed on whatever happens in these games, I hope none of them are close!!

Go Blue in AZ

November 27th, 2011 at 9:45 PM | I'm glad people are now (Score:-1 Overrated)
November 27th, 2011 at 10:00 PM | Sarcasm? (Score:1)
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I can't tell if your post is sarcastic or not.........I'm just going to assume that it is.

November 27th, 2011 at 10:12 PM | posted from iPhone (Score:2)
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BIG DIFFERENCE!! In this "tournament" you speak of we don't have a shot at really winning anything more meaningful than playing in the sugar bowl BEFORE the BCS (ie just playing for respect and prestige). If there is a true 8 team playoff, all 8 top teams have a shot at a NC (obviously either way we are not and would not be playing for a NC, nor do we deserve to with the 2 losses we have). The other teams would still play in the other bowls they would normally play in anyway.

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November 27th, 2011 at 9:45 PM | Can still root for Wisco... (Score:1)
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I really think whichever team loses the B1G Championship will fall below us, regardless of who it is and the margin.

Just looking at the current standings, a 9-3 Nebraska, who defeated the currently 10-2 Sparty, is below them (and many other teams, but that's besides the point). My point here is that a team with more losses will fall below the team with less, regardless of the head-to-head result. So we don't necessarily HAVE to root for Sparty. I certainly won't. Root for LSU, and that should be enough. 

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November 27th, 2011 at 9:45 PM | Could Baylor jump Michigan (Score:5 Normal)
orobs
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Could Baylor jump Michigan with a win over texas given the computer circlejerk for the b12?

November 27th, 2011 at 9:48 PM | No, most of the computers (Score:1)
Sckon
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No, most of the computers have not readjusted the conferences. When they do, the Big 12 will dip a bit.

November 27th, 2011 at 9:52 PM | What do you mean? I wasn't (Score:3 Normal)
orobs
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What do you mean? I wasn't aware on any conference readjustment after the season...

November 27th, 2011 at 9:52 PM | Short answer is yes. (Score:1)
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People need to understand this.  Baylor could jump over us if they win.  This would put everything in a tail spin.

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November 27th, 2011 at 9:45 PM | LSU Win (Score:1)
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An LSU win is the only must have, or else SEC gets three teams in BCS.  The rest will take care of itself.

November 27th, 2011 at 10:23 PM | Not possible (Score:1)
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unless you think that LSU only drops to #2 with a loss to Georgia.  No conference can get three teams in, unless the very unlikely scenerio that #1 and #2 didn't win the conference championship.

All right Lemmings. Bring the heat.

November 28th, 2011 at 12:56 AM | As much as I hate to say it, (Score:1)
duffman is thru...
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As much as I hate to say it, it is not that unlikely of a scenario (other than the Georgia winning part).

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November 27th, 2011 at 9:45 PM | Worried about Baylor jumping us (Score:1)
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If Baylor beat Texas by a lot, they could jump us in the rankings. I hope this doesn't happen.

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November 27th, 2011 at 9:48 PM | RG3 was injured... (Score:1)
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At the end of the first half Saturday. He didn't return. If he doesn't play, Baylor is in big trouble.

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November 27th, 2011 at 9:50 PM | RG3 (Score:2)
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ESPN says probable

November 27th, 2011 at 9:45 PM | So, extra simplified: We (Score:3 Normal)
go16blue
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So, extra simplified:

We these two things to happen:
1. LSU beats Georgia
2A. Wisc beats MSU by a ton
2B. MSU beats Wisc
2C. OSU beats Oklahoma

COYS and lets go Detroit FC!

November 27th, 2011 at 9:48 PM | Disagree (Score:4 Normal)
GRMichFan
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I think all we need is a Georgia loss

 

November 27th, 2011 at 9:54 PM | That will not be enough (Score:2 Normal)
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What if Baylor beats Texas?

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November 27th, 2011 at 9:47 PM | Actually (Score:1)
Michigan4Life
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Michigan would need 3 of the 5 above happen next week in order to be ranked #14 provided Baylor beating Texas.  I think Baylor will jump Michigan with a win over Texas with ease based on the computer poll.

November 27th, 2011 at 9:48 PM | I don't think Houston will drop below us even with a loss... (Score:0 Overrated)
November 27th, 2011 at 10:21 PM | What if Clemson beats VT? I (Score:2)
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What if Clemson beats VT? I almost think they'd have a better chance of jumping us after that than Baylor would if they beat UT.

November 27th, 2011 at 11:03 PM | Was just going to post this... (Score:2)
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So all we need is Sparty to drop to 15 after losing to Wisconsin.

November 27th, 2011 at 11:11 PM | Not really (Score:2)
uminks
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Even if for some reason sparty was at number 14. No BCS bowl will be inviting a three loss sparty and B1G championship loser to their bowl game. It will be WI (if they win)getting the automatic bid and Michigan getting the invite from the B1G.

expect the best

November 27th, 2011 at 11:05 PM | I over looked this rule (Score:3 Normal)
uminks
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Well, looks like we are in the Sugar Bowl since I think they want us!  No need to get heartburn over next weeks games.

 

expect the best

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