Fuck that is not good
"Rodrick Williams Jr.'s 10-month old, 2-foot-long savannah monitor named "Kill" gets the RB some strange looks when they go for walks together."
Fuck that is not good
I will stop panicking as Hoke is not going anywhere.
Agree. Hoke has a long and expensive contract. Borges... on the other hand.... no comment.
I remember AnnArbor.com got a .pdf of the Borges contract via FOIA way back when. I don't recall any buyout clause.
Borges gets $650k annually. His contract is through 2015. Seems like the remaining $650k would be the parting gift, but I haven't seen his underlying contract posted.
Hoke has 2 years to "git it dun", Borges 1. Book it.
Buyout clauses come with a double FIOIA indemnity. Everyone knows that. You have to FOIA the contract, then FIOIA the FIOIA in order to reveal the buyout clause. Perhaps you should get on that.
btw, I was mistaken; it was the Freep that FOIA'ed the Borges contract. AA.com reported on the Freep report.
Here's the funny part, which I'll mention just because you seem like a real prick with that post. You can see that Borges contract .pdf, if you pay the Freep archives. If I had FOIA'ed the contract, I'd have given it to Brian and you'd be able to look at it now.
I just like giving you a hard time, because you get so worked up. Yes, that probably makes me a prick. I apologize.
Good enough for me.
Honestly, if I was a high caliber recruit like that, I'd be taking all of my officials. I'd also make sure that if I was taking them after the season, I was taking them in the middle of the school week.
to give Ball State a look
I can't believe we are even discussing bullshit coaching rumors.
The ND game feels like it was 8 months ago.
If I had gone to sleep after the ND game and woke up today I'd be like WTF? Who am I kidding, I'm saying WTF anyway. As bitter as I am about the fizzling of this season, I have no real yearning to dump Hoke. I can forgive a lot if he makes the kind of big boy (no visual pun intended) decisions that Beilein made when his staff wasn't cutting it. If he keeps Borges because he's grateful for Al giving him a ride to work, all bets are off.
First it was NFL rumors, now I suppose it's possibly being fired.
Thank you for posting this and allowing me to go back to being annoyed by my family up until Saturday.
Front page this.
Who's saying Hoke will not have a job here next year? Oh wait, probably every other team out there trying to recruit Peppers. Brandon needs to get out in front of this now.
Except in the world we live in, a public "vote of confidence" in a coach is interpreted as a kiss of death. Nothing Brandon can say will appease the public... unless its announcing Borges' canning immediately after the OSU game.
...a very important change in what it would mean to be a Michigan football player would cause him to re-think his commitment? That's...so...reasonable.
You and I may think that there is a 0.0% chance that Coach Hoke gets fired. However, the young man is about to make one of the biggest decisions of his life. I can't blame him for trying to protect himself in case things change when he hears the rumors.
not just next year, so he has to assess what might happen in 2-3 years if the current results persist. Having Hoke stay only 1 more year and then leave would the worst case scenario for him, depending on who replaces him.
With the rumors about Coach Hoke possibly not being there I need to make sure that I have options and have seen other places...
Well, that's reassuring.
As a guy who talks to recruits often, do you hear a lot of negative recruiting disinformation about Michigan, other schools from these kids? I'm shocked that there is even a hint out there that Hoke's job is in jeopardy after this season and can only conclude some schools are spreading rumors to get him to break his commitment.
No I don't hear that from them. I honestly don't really ask about it though either. I try to avoid bringing up negative topics for obvious reasons.
I have heard it from people who know some of the coaches though that it takes place A LOT.
Do you know if he reads this blog? I know if I were a 17-18 year old kid reading this on a daily basis I would be convinced that not only will the entire staff be fired but that the sky above Ann Arbor is crashing down to earth at any moment.
just in case Brandon doesn't answer, I have it on good authority that Space Coyote is Jabrill Peppers.
So yeah, he reads the blog.
"Coaches" saying Hoke may be on the block, and we'd make a run at Les Miles. Wonder who these "Coaches" are, and if they've been talking to our recruits. (Casts an eye toward Urban Meyer who has recently offered one of our commits ...)
I seem to recall Sam Webb mentioning on the radio that one of the criteria for Hand was coaching stability. Sam seemed to think it was in reference to Saban leaving for Texas, but maybe it was about Hoke. I wonder if he was getting the same feedback in the form of negative recruiting that Peppers is getting?
Pull out all the stops in this game and get the W.
LOVE how all the fair weather fans calling for Hoke to be fired the last few weeks are now like "who ever said he will be fired? He is our coach and always will be"
Those fans crack me up cause they know nothing about football.
But nobody wants to say they're contributing in any way. Say a recruit looks young and you're damaging the program. Say the coaches should be fired and having virulent rants on the front page, and that's not going hurt recruiting at all, nooooooooo.....
I think the complaint was that saying the kid looked young hurt the blog.
Quoting Brian from the thread in question (his reaction post, not the original thread):
I don't care if you don't think it's offensive. The upside is zero--lame snark on a message board--and the downside is getting my ass reamed out by the department for stuff I didn't even post
Pretty sure it was the department's response that triggered the reaction. It's possible this was just a hypothetical but I had an exchange with BiSB later in the thread that made me pretty sure it had happened.
Fans don't have to say anything really. What's happening on the field, speaks for itself.
That's exactly it. Other teams don't need to say a word, either. Everything that needs to be said is screaming from the football field every Saturday.
You should reference the post that says the coaches should be fired.
Losing and looking bad in the weak Big Ten, when telling kids you are going to compete for Championships is what hurts recruiting. Recruiting comes easy off of a BCS win in your first season, but not so much when you start losing and look bad doing it.
Rumors don't take hold unless there is some underlying weakness. Just get it done on the field! Change the narrative!
Who? Where are they? Where are these posts?
Perhaps during the Game Day thread you could find some instant anger, but again, almost all talk about firing someone has been about Al Borges.
Hot off the presses, hoping we lose, and not hardly alone. You can do the rest of your own homework.
So you have one post from a guy with two points who joined today and this site is responsible for driving off recruits? I rest my case.
Meanwhile, you were easily one of the most negative board members during the RR years and lobbed things out about those coaches that were far worse than the general "I think Hoke should get 5 years as long as Borges goes" crowd this year.
Your hypocrisy level is rising.
the same people back then would refute any impact that the level of fanbase vitriole might have, apparently things have changed since then and now it does impact recruits.
Not calling out anyone in particular, but methinks there would be an extremely interesting exercise in juxtaposition should anyone go back through old posts and compare the comments from pro-RR / anti-RR people back then and the same people making anti-HokeBorges / pro-HokeBorges comments now. I'm going to guess a whole lot of crossover on both sides.
As soon as someone who was an RR supporter back in the day says 'inexcusable!' on here, I'll know we have come full circle.
That you're too lazy to see for yourself hardly makes your case. You don't even have to leave this thread:
And that's just in this thread. Not the whole site. Or, as pointed out in the last one, sites a lot less reserved than this one. And also not counting all the shot of how he can't coach or do this and that which might as well being saying "FIRE HOKE!!"
And funny you should call out another poster as not being credible because he joined yesterday....when you joined yesterday. Guess we shouldn't take what you have to say as reasonabl or reflective.
Though you seem to have a really good knowledge of what's gone on here for years....hmmmm...you wouldn't happen to be someone who was banned and just had to come back someplace you weren't wanted? Yeah, that up's your credibility.
And please, go back and look for any time I posted "fire Rich." After it was done did I say I can see the reasons why it had to happen? Sure, But I didn't want us to fail to the point where we had to fire the coach. I don't want us to do so now, either. But Hoke has built up a better track record and if he can avoid losing these recruits, has built up a far stronger base. But even with all that next year will be a big year for him. But go back and find evidence of your made up musings. That should at least keep you busy for a good long time and stop you from posting nonsense.
Well that makes perfect sense. Who can blame the kid?
ESPN insider had an article earlier in the week discussing the possiblity of Hoke being shown the door so it is certainly not just coming from people on the board that are starting rumors.
IIRC the articles I read on ESPN were just that he's on the hot seat and that he willl definitely have some heat on him next year, but nothing about him actually being fired because that is idiotic.
Hoke is not in danger of losing his job, at least not this year.
Either way, Jabrill is not going somewhere for 1 year. In all likelihood he is going somewhere for 3 years - does anyone believe we will have stability at all coaching positions for the next 4 years?
It was all speculation coming from 'coaches' of the 'wouldn't be surprised' variety because click here, hot seats and even hotter takez.
The Internet is like a feedback loop from hell when it comes to sports fandom.
I'm not saying it wasn't all speculation, just that it's not only the people on this board that have taken notice of the piss poor performance of our football teams and the ramifications for the coaching staff