Still no interior D by Michigan. Getting old.
BBall: UM vs BC
Yep, won't win this one if we keep up this interior D. BC is getting to the rack with ease, and rebounding their misses. Got to see some fixes tonight.
Wow you're right. What the hell happened, I don't remember it being this bad last year
when you play a zone defense if u can get the ball to the toop of the key it opens up the inside pretty easily. Michigan plays the 1-3-1 to create turnovers but thats not really working and it opens up the inside
[update] BC has scored on their first 9/10 offensive possessions, and that included three offensive rebounds...
BC is also keeping their 3/4 on the low block, and knows that the 1-3-1 will rotate to trap at the other block, and have found that easy pass three times now...
'Bama started doing the same thing against us during their comeback.
Can't get the rebounds....please let Novak take the shots.
BC hitting cuts in the paint at will. Might be a long game...damn I was hoping bball season would bring me out of the funk caused by football
That graphic showing a vast majority of freshmen and sophomores looks awfully familiar...
Even slower and more unathletic than we thought.
Not a huge fan of the "Four White guys and Ant Wright" lineup. Call me crazy.
...that in this day and age someone could be so racist against his own race. snark
Where is the sense of purpose in this team after the Old Spice Classic?
I was thinking the exact same thing when I looked up and seen that. Not that it can't happen, but we're not Duke. It just seems like we can't play any kind of defense what so ever. I know Cronin has been battling injury, but we gotta have a big body in the middle of the floor. Stop shooting so many f****** 3 pointers. We still need more athletes like Harris and Sims before we take that next step to be a contender in the Big Ten. It's killing me to watch this shit. We were supposed to get better?????
Then he said, "This can't be good"
We look terrible. Unforced errors, easy layups for BC.
They've had more easy layups than they saw in warmups.
BC's new Raji isn't as fat as the old Raji.
Is it just me or are the weakest fouls ever being called both ways the last few minutes?
The play tonight has been a bit Amakerish. And are the refs getting paid per whistle blow? Jebus.
ugh i cant stand len elmore and his commentary... also, his teeth scare me.
white unis - wish it was always maize at home.
Raji is on pace for a big night.
Alot more of the former and much less of the latter than we've seen so far this year. Wonder if JB likes Vogrich on D better than Laval at this point.
All were doing doing is settling for jumpshots, I wouldn't mind it so much if you know, we were making them. We look absolutely dreadful tonight.
I just turned it on. What's up with the lack of Sims? Fouls?
He got 2 quick.
has been a long nightmare narrated by Len Elmore. He sound likes the teacher in Ferris Bueller's Day Off. Buuueler. That one.
This is a bad scene. This looks to be much different situation than previously thought pre-season.
In other B10 news, Illinois is losing to Clemson by 20 at halftime. I'm surprised that they're so bad.
Only Wright's 2nd trey this year. It seems he's shot way more than 9 of them.
EDIT: ...and a makeup call
what are these refs doing??
nice to see cronin get some minutes and playing tough.
on the bench next to Gibson?
Yes, that is Blake McLimans.
Is that Cronin's first block in his career?
why is it that college kids can't handle a jump ball?
What is the deal with that rule.
I remember that rule as being pushed by TV interests as a way to speed up games.
It's because - no joke - it's apparently difficult for a lot of high school/college referees to throw a jump ball that goes straight up.
Damn, Cronin takes a while to fall to the ground. I guess it is a long fall.
Ben Cronin is my new favorite player
Peedi have foul trouble? Man our 3s arent falling and our FT shooting is terrible.
NVM someone answered above.
Hey, it could be way, way worse. If we can hit a few more three's and keep playing D we'll be back in this in no time.
Ugly first half there. Looking uninspired early and struggling to get anything to fall. Anyone have any thoughts on half-time adjustments?
we have "bubble team" written all over us.
If we can't beat either Kansas or UConn we'll need 13 B10 wins just to feel safe. Unfortunately, we'll probably have 9-12 and be anywhere from lonnnnnnng shot to let's-just-hope-and-see.
Are you happy?!
Since now apparently the curse has extended to every game we play.
No, the Daily has a Liveblog up for this game. Its the curse man, its the curse http://www.michigandaily.com/content/live-blog-michigan-mens-basketball-...
HOW THE FUCK does our great shooting team consistently get outshot from three point land and from the FT line? I guess I might as well throw in regular field goals as well.
We can't make 3s, 2s or FTs. We can't play defense. So you're saying there's a chance!
On offense, we need more penetration into the paint...we don't really have any post players, so this is imperative or we're going to get killed all year. Whether it's an easy bucket, free throws, or a kick out to a wide open 3...all are far better than passing around at the top for 28 seconds and then hoisting a contested jumpshot.
That's our 3pt shooting in the first half. I don't know where to start. 17 3's is way too many in a half, i don't care what your offensive philosophy is. Second, only made 4??? REALLY???? I almost can't watch
Get Manny off the bench.
They are really struggling right now. We are just getting abused defensively and some of the possessions are starting to look Amakeresque...
Did you guys see this thing about Tiger Woods on the halftime report? Apparently he got in a car accident and cheated on his wife. Someone should probably cover this in the media.
It's not really newsworthy or else I would have heard about it by now.
just settling for jumpers its terrible. Manny needs to start driving and taking it to the hoop. The last couple of games he settles in the first half and then starts taking it inside. Michigan also looks like they have no athletes compared to BC but this isnt really the case. Even if michigan is a shooting team you can't take 17 threes in the first half, BC does respect anything we do inside. Maybe if simms can get going it would open up good looks for us.
Sims. One (1) em (m).
Sorry. I fight my instinct to correct grammatical errors all the time on the internet but that's about the 10th time you've said "Simms" this thread.
I know that Sims could snap me like a twig, but he is playing so damn timid and wimpy this year.
He looks lost and lacks hustle. Coach B needs to light a fire under his ass.
That one got my remote sent across the room.
Got my cell phone thrown against the wall
LLP has to make that layup, this game is painful to watch
more easy layups than us?
This game makes me all hurty inside.
The basketball team is looking REALLY bad. Like, middle school bad.
My eyes, my eyes!...the goggles do nuuuuthing.
I can't watch this game anymore...
...and yet I will. Sigh. Did Ohio State kill God and replace him with Woody Hayes?
Woo! Here we come. Keep it up Blue!
Horrible non 3 sec calls in BC's favor.
manny finally getting aggressive, and it opens up the jumpers
Yep, I will comment/bitch about this all year long.
Manny needs to quit shooting 3-pointers period. He needs to drive and create 3s for our better 3-point shooters and shots for himself at the bucket. If Manny stopped shooting 3s we are 3-4 wins better this year.
And please continue to do so for me so that I don't have to. There needs to at least be the THREAT of penetration in order to get the looks we want from 3.
the "car fox" car fax commercial - I could have done without that.
Jesus. I don't think I've seen them hit a 3-point basket yet tonight.
Manny misses them all.
that I haven't. Or don't think so. Started watching at the half and it's obvious they aren't any more fired up than they must have been in the first half.
They look terrible. Not even trying.
I could go without the Black eyed peas being played before every commercial break
Put Denard in!
Back to the NIT
Most of the threes we've taken really haven't been bad shots. It's just that somehow, the entire team is stone cold.
DeShawn shouldn't be shooting any, though. He's got to get his damn head under the basket (and in the game).
need to start taking it inside. Its clear they aren't shooting very well from the outside so they at least need to attempt to get it inside. They have had some success when they do.
OMG they called a foul on BC!
Our rims sound broken. DONG, DONG da DONG DONG
could the announcers stop arguing about whether Michigan is disappointing or just plain bad? We get it.
This team will never be to the level we want them to be if they can't rebound. Every game it seems like they are totally dominated on the boards. Probably bc they lack size down low but you can't be successful when you don't rebound well.
That's not entirely true, although the Tom Izzo Doctrine seems to have every Michigander believing that rebounding is more important that points in basketball. In reality, I think a combo of taking high percentage shots and forcing turnovers are is cure this team needs.
Do we even run an offense? The whole first half it seemed like we would just pass it around the top until someone jacked up a three. I am not a fan of not taking it to the basket. No one can guard Manny if he takes it to the hoop. Just drive and dish already.
I got a feelin......Every commercial break. Seriously?
Watching Sims try to chase down a rebound is painful. He looks like his feet are planted in concrete. Is he healthy?
It's the Sims lurch. That's his diddy bop. If it's because he's hurt then he's been hurt his whole career.
when he gets the ball inside he hasnt done anything and we never give him the ball...and the team is just disappointing right now they have a lot of potential to be good, but to make the tourny they are going to have to play good in big ten play since they'll have no good out of conference wins
This Morris kid is just a body on the floor so far this season.
thought, he's just got to get used to the college game where he is not the best player on the floor every game. What good is he has a ton of potential to get much better during big ten play...hopefully
If we go 10-10 in threes to close this game out it is still pretty bad. No rebounding and poor shooting will not win us many games this year. Lets hope we can get hot and out gun some teams later on.
No matter what happens in this game atleast we have Steven Seagal "Lawman" to look forward to.
I saw that and I instantly knew that I would be losing an hour of sleep.
Anyone keeping track of how much we even CHALLENGE for offensive rebounds? Every time someone sets up for a shot we clear out from under the basket. Ugh
Our lack of rebounds game after game makes me want to pull my hair out. It's ridiculous.
We clear out to get back on defense and prevent a fast break the other way. Which makes sense against fast teams like Marquette. But against BC, who is usually content to control the board and then get in a half-court set, we should keep a man or 2 on the offensive glass!
Bad defense, can't make a 3 or a free throw, can't rebound, tons of turnovers. We look like garbage. This is pathetic.
Are Beilein and RR fascinated with recruiting midgets?
We need Vogrich to get hot.
I think it's a little premature to rely on him. He has had one good game...his first. Since then, he has looked like a total freshman. First things first...he needs to take a cue from freshman Stu Douglass and get a haircut.
Is this all we've got? Cronin was ten times the upgrade of both Sims and Gibson when he was in there. If he doesn't have pain then he should be in there. I was so hopeful for this team but I am very discouraged at the lack of ever changing our play style when the shots aren't falling. Holy Crap this is bad.
did you mean ever changing or never changing?
if you meant ever changing, well: if it's broke, fix it.
I meant, in my spitting rage, it seems we do not alter from our gameplan if things go south. Maybe we don't have the right personnel or something else that I'm missing. It is similar to everyone knowing that Denard is going to run the ball when he gets in. We were softly tossing the ball back and forth around the perimeter until someone shot a three. I think once we were 5-26 from threes some kind of red flag should have gone up to change things a bit. At one point in the first half we almost had as many three point attempts as points! I hope our shooting whoas come to a hault and fast.
needs to play more. hes the only one that looks like he cares.
I'm glad everybody seems to be on board with Gibson now. I've been a fan for a while. In fact, I think he's got better hands than Sims.
We're in trouble if Zach Gibson is our best shooter from behind the arc.
Actually, he's got a pretty nice stroke (although it hasn't yet translated into a good percentage). He needs to play more. He's given us a lift all season.
I couldn't agree with you more. My point was we have like 6 guys who are, theoretically, more pure bombers than he is (Douglass, Novak, Manny, LLP, Morris, Vogrich...), and none of them have had any sort of rhythm the last several games.
Agree - it beggars belief that NONE of our perimeter guys can hit an open three.
footnote to our game -- illinois after 23 down on clemson is now up 2 with 4 to go...
Does anyone know what has happened to this team? Did CJ Lee, David Merritt, Kelvin Grady, and Jevohn Shepherd really mean that much to this team? I thought we returned most of our true talent, but we seemed to have regressed horribly. Free throw shooting is a mere microcosm of this team.
Steve Lavin (i believe) made an interesting point during the Perdue game yesterday regarding the importance of having a fast, small, relentless on-the-ball defender was come tournament time, citing players like Tyus Edney and Ty Lawson. It made me think of the spark that Lindsey Hunter gave the Pistons during their title run. When you can create turnovers-- or at least hurried panic-- at the point, the mistakes follow. Last year, we had a combo of that player in Merritt/Grady/Lee. This year we don't have one. I expect to start seeing some more full court presses and/or half court traps run in order to make up for our lack of hardcore on-the-ball defender, which is crucial for success in a half-court defense.
When you got two special players like Harris and Simms you should run the pick n roll until they can barely breath anymore.
Or at least run it until the opposing D is so packed down that our shooters are wide open to let loose.
Or at least run it until the opposing D is so packed down that our shooters are wide open to let loose.
These commentators need to stick to basketball.
SORRY double post for some reason
Terrible call on Gibson. Great effort.
rough call by the refs...but, god, do we rebound on this team? do we know how to run a true offense?
BALL DON'T LIE!
That was a clean Gibson block, terrible call
Usually I would care, but today I do not care if Manny called bank before he shot that or not
Banks open...I'll take it baby!!
Until this team can get defensive rebounds they will lose every game. It's frustrating to watch as a fan. I can't imagine how it feels to be Beilein.
It'd help if we at least took our ill-advised shots with some rebounders in position. Frustrating indeed...
Manny got hit on the arm. How the hell do you miss that?
And we got away with no-calls all night as well. No loss so far this season has been the unfortunate result of poor officiating.
Speaking of, why is officiating blamed so much more frequently for losses in basketball than football? I have some hypotheses but am curious what others think. But a significant number of people have at least partially blamed officiating for our losses after each game so far.
A fun experiment: watch a basketball game on mute and ONLY look for fouls. I think you'll be surprised at how often you agree with the officiating.
Why can't we do anything in winding seconds. It is all one on one, no plays are called, nothing. Poor, poor, poor end of game execution.
Penn State is going to cause us fits. They run a crisper, faster version of the same type of offense we try to run. But while their above-perimeter passes are done in effort to open up a backdoor lane or get a man open on the wing, we appear to be lackadaisically fulfilling some sort of passing quota before settling for a bad, contested shot with NO REBOUNDERS in position! Infuriating game tonight.
Few missed calls down the stretch by the officials, but it's the team's own damn fault for being blown out in the first 35 min.
Missed calls happen for both teams, not just UM. This game was a pathetic - absolutely horrible - effort from non-Manny Harris players and coaches. I am just stunned right now. We just lost and were beat in every facet of the game by a terrible Boston College team. I'm beside myself...I'm going to Ben and Jerry's to get an ice cream.
That rebound off the free throw was the perfect summation of the season so far. Ugliness. Free possessions.
lol.. illinois came back to win their game..
the only team that was facing a ranked ACC oponent today ends up winning...
It's up to Ohio State I guess..
Dook is ranked.
Edit: But Wisconsin ain't care!
They were down like 20 or more. Sweet win there.
In terms of Michigan athletics, 2009-2010 is now officially dubbed the year of recalibrated expectations.
The boys gotta get off to better starts.
Well, Illinois made a ridiculous comeback against Clemson, who absolutely crumbled after being up by over 20 points. Nice coaching, Purnell.
We all know what Michigan did (or didn't do).
Minnesota is currently down 8 with :22 left.
B10 - 4
ACC - 5
Unless Wisconsin and Ohio State win, this is yet another defeat at the hands of ACC basketball. Argh.
I give you full and complete credit for both Wisconsin and Ohio State winning tonight. Big Ten = ACC busters
What in the hell is with Duke's jerseys? Did Nike cook up some weird-ass shit for them, too?
Those are their alternate uniforms. They've had them for a few years.
Blech, they are something ugly.
This is very depressing.