I may have to try and start a "Maize Out" at one of his games. Im not above making "come to A2" signs and going to a few of his games. Im just saying.,,
Basketball Recruiting Discussion: Stephen Zimmerman (2015 5* Center) to visit
Hey man I'd do it too... If I had enough people on board to do it with me. If not just one guy wearing a maize shirt means little, a large group of people wearing maize shirts chanting during games could be fun would need some alcohol though
Please don't take alcohol to a HS game, especially wearing maize.
Please, no.... let coaches recruit. Go ahead and go to games, but don't chant or do anything to get him to try to get to Michigan
I think it would be better if you didn't do that. I am sure this kid gets enough of a sale pitch everywhere he goes. The coaches will take care of this to the best of their ability. I would refrain from contacting any recruits in any way. I am not sure if this is an NCAA violation but I am sure it is in bad taste.
Not only am I from Vegas (don't live there anymore), but Gorman is my high school alma mater. Go Gaels!
One of my favorite color schemes: Orange & Blue.
Also, the Gorman athletic department was, at one point, ranked ~8th in the country. Not sure where it is today but probably still really up there.
But I'm open for some discussion about him....has anyone seen any info or video on him? Sounds like he could be the next great big man in maize and blue if we could get him.
Good call. Title changed to open up the floor.
Just thought with the football stuff he got shorted on the front and I haven't heard too much about him before we offered and would like to learn more. I think we've got good big depth coming, but you'd like a 5* centerpiece, because as we saw in the Tourney, they can certainly make things easier.
And if we can keep recruiting bigs like McGary to go with the line of awesome point guards we're kicking ass at the two most important spots in basketball.
No offense taken. Like you said, sometimes basketball stuff gets lost in all the offseason football news...so maybe a solid discussion involving M basketball recruiting news/prospects would be worthwhile.
Is this just a bad highlight video or should I not expect much from highlight videos of big men? No basketball expert, but it looks to me like he plays like a 7 ft high school player. Bunch of dunks, blocks, and rebounds over 6'4 guys. He can dribble a little, but I didn't see what makes him a 5-star. Can anyone point me to a better video or is this a normal, dry video of a big guy dunking on smaller guys? He obviously has the offers to back up his play, but I just don't see what is so remarkable. Does he have crazy stats in a tough league?
High-Major quality Centers in high school are always going to dominate based more on physical advantage rather than skill in highlight video. That's part of the reason why it's a common saying that "big men develop later" because they won't be tested skill-wise until later in high school and in the AAU circuit.
That said, what jumps out to me (from this video) is his shot blocking. That was I'd say the largest portion of what they were showing off in his video. What seemed impressive to me about it though was that he would come out of nowhere to get the blocks, even considering he's generally around the basket. I also get a high-motor sense from him, which is something that pays dividends in college (see: Mitch McGary). I agree dunks aren't that impressive in high school, but what you should look for is how far away from the basket he can elevate to jump and/or how far above the basket he can get. That's not something I can comment on for Stephen, I've not followed him much until recently.
Herm - Watch more basketball, buddy. This kid is a huge physical freak. And just a kid. We want him, badly.
Agree - Herm you need to re-watch and re-think...
Herm, do you know any 7 footers in the NBA that can lead a break and dribble behind their back in stride? No? I think that tells you something. That kid is crazy good.
Well, what are you hoping for exactly? Do you expect him to dribble like Pete Maravich and have the explosiveness of LeBron James?
That's what Fred Jackson thinks of him.
He would be the best commit Beilein has ever had if he commits. His skill set for a 7 footer is UNREAL. He can move and handle the ball like a wing, but defends inside at a very high level. And unlike any Beilein Michigan recruit, he actually has post game. Not sure how much he likes us, but it would be a huge pick up for Michigan if we got him.
Are you serious?
Oh yes, excuse me, I forgot this is MGoBlog. Since he's a five-star and interested in us, he's the greatest thing since sliced bread and any questions about what quality of opponents he's playing are unreasonable. Granted, if he was visiting MSU, everyone would be all, "LOL Sparty, have fun with your stick figure" "Better not break him!" "LOL he's from EARTH why are they recruiting him?" "Scout is the worst basketball ranking site! Everyone knows that!!!" blah blah blah. Excuse me that he looks like the only player over 6'4 in the video and plays with his face to the basketball for pretty much the entire video (though again, obviously this is a good thing no matter what because he might come to UM, if was wasn't interested everyone would be questioning the 1.5 post moves he showed). I'll go put my rose-colored glasses on so I can fit in here.
you might try dropping the fake geriatric character. It was fun for a while, but it's getting a bit (inauthentically) old.
You tell me how to change my username and I'd do it.
To me he looks like he could develop into a future Withey or Zeller, and yes both of them were very lean. He may lack a polished back to the basket game, but he's still a high schooler. You can question his competition all you want, the athleticism, timing, and skill are there.
He dribbles out of that double team like it's nothing. That's pretty impressive for a 7 footer. He is skinny but he's a 2015 kid so what would you expect from a 7 foot tall 15-17 year old. His tape isn't impressive like a Seventh Woods tape but he has a lot of potential and 7 footers with handles and a decent touch are rare.
Herm, with all due respect, Zimmerman's 10th grade highlight video is very impressive.
I do know where you are coming from though. You probably remember when Bill Russell starred for those National Champion, San Francisco squads, or Lew Alcindor with UCLA, or even the Big Dipper, Wilt Chamberlin, with Kansas back in the day. Sure Zimmerman's 10th grade video can't compare with 3 of the best to ever play the game, but what can we truly expect? Bill Russell if you remember, was very limited offensively, with only a couple rudimentary offensive skills. while Wilt Chamberlain like to dunk, it was one of his specialties. Lew Alcindor was the only one of these 3 all time greats to have a highly skilled offensive game upon arriving to college and it resulted it pretty much never losing a game.
You've seen Zimmerman's 10th grade, 7', highlights, Here are a few more of Withey 4* and Cody Zeller 5* to compare him with. I will also try to find some film of your contemporaries, Russell, Alcindor, and Chamberlain from their college days!!!!
Withey and Zeller:
Bill Russell showing why he might have been a 5* but was only a 3* coming out of HSLew Alcindor with UCLA:
It's not just us mgoblog poster's that seem to think he is very good...espn has him as the #5 person in that class (granted it's early) but he is most certainly an elite prospect.
He struck me as agile, highly skilled, and aggressive. He seems like much more than just a tall kid. He might be a terror in Coach Beilein's offense.
I also noticed he popped a three or maybe just a long jumper from the top of the arc. I don't know how his 3 point shot is, but if he can add that shot to his arsenal then that's quite a weapon.
I don't have insider but from the preview portion of the ESPN scouting report...
"The left-handed Zimmerman is extremely skilled and his IQ for the game is impressive. He can nail threes, jump hooks, and his passing is high-level. At the elbow his vision is impeccable as is his patience of waiting for the play to develop."
So it seems as if he has the range, fairly developed offensive arsenal, etc.
Zimmerman is going to get an offer and 2015 could be a monster class.
so we have some work to do. Still lots of time, if his mind is open.
He's a 2015 guy. I guess I just don't see how that's late.
It might have to do with how Beilein doesn't usually offer kids early in high school (although, perhaps he is still in contact with the kids, just doesn't offer), so it's likely that many other programs have scouted/visited/contacted/offered him to this point. So we may have some room to make up in terms of relationships, etc.
That being said, this program can sell itself exceptionally well, based on style of play, facilities, and personnel. I'm sure he was watching the tournament, too...and that definitely didn't hurt our chances.
FACILITIES!!! No doubt Beilein can recruit he's proven he can evaluate talent that fits his system. At the same time there's no doubt the PDC and Crisler have payed in dividends and have covered the cost of construction and then some in only a couple yrs. the sky is the limit with this program!!
I have serious doubt that the basketball program has paid for all the construction with one run to the championship.
I agree the championship game was great and all, but the ncaa keeps all the tourney money and distributes it as they see fit. I doubt the bb program has made $200M in two years.
Because in some ways a run like this has made the investment worthwhile and "paid us back," but in actual dollars, you're right, it is not close. They estimate the run will only make under $8 million for the whole Big Ten.
It doesn't take much to win in bball and this scares Sparty!! All my spartan buds always had bball to look forward to. Not the case anymore
Is the 2014 class shaping up to be a good one? I don't really follow basketball recruiting.
Not really, but maybe. We have Ricky Doyle in hand, a 6'9" guy with nice back-to-basket game but probably a high three star type. I think he was hurt for much of this year, so he could show great improvement and move up into the top 100 range. After that we have been in on Devin Booker for a long while. He's a high 4-star type SG who seems to be pretty interested in some of his newer offers such as Duke, UNC, Kentucky. We may have a good chance with him, but he seems to have opened his recruitment up. His dad Melvin played at Mizzou, and they're in his top group too. Next up is Trevon Bluiett: 6'5"ish, plays fairly slow and low to the ground but can make shots from anywhere. Top 50ish, silky touch. I think he is purported to be headed to Bloomington, but we would be in his top 3 or so. After that it falls off. There's a kid from Warren DeLasalle who might be good, but is pretty skinny right now. He's probably ours if we offer. Ummm there are some more candidates for offers that I can't think of right now. There are rumblings about picking up interest from Kevin Looney, a 6'8" very athletic forward from Milwaukee, he's a top 10 guy but Michigan hasn't been tightly involved with him. In summary, if we get everyone, it will be good. If we get no one, it will be ok.
Yes.... Austin hatch is someone I can't wait to see in the maize and blue!!
Bluiett is down to Butler and Michigan, not really looking at IU. And has been leaning very heavily towards Butler since they joined the A-10 becasue it allows him good competition plus can stay very close to home
I did not know that. Thank you. What do you think about his game? I really have no idea what to think. Is he a better athlete than I'm giving him credit for?
I mean he's an athlete, not a freak or anything, but he can really shoot. I have only seen one of his games live and it was a blow out so not much else to say. But yeah he has those two, but hasn't tipped when he'll declare
So far two decent commits with doyle and hatch, although hatch might never play but with the offers michigan has given should be a good one. Devin Booker, kameron chatman, trevion buiett, and vince edwards are all in the top 60 and all have offers and interest in michigan. I say Beilein takes five payers in this class with Morgan graduating. You know Mitch and GRIII wont stay another year and u have to think Stauskis and one of the incoming freshman will get some love so will need five commits.
2012 was a large class, so 2014 would seem to be a good candidate for a large class. However, I almost half wonder if we might see some early 2015 commits before getting most/all of the 2014 class in hand. That would be a tricky situation to be in. I don't think we should hold back on 2015 offers though for fear of that. We're in good shape with two point guards (Hyrond Edwards [IN] and Sedrick Barefield [CA, omg do want]) and some big men.
I would expect to at most take 5 players, counting hatch, but likely 4 total if I absolutely had to guess, in 2014, but no pure PG. We would be looking at the 2-5 positions with an emphasis on a combo forward. Current targets include Kameron Chatman, Kevon Looney (allegedly, I still don't know for sure that we've offered him despite what he says), and Vince Edwards.
Based on the hype videos, Zimmerman seems to be very fluid...moves well for a 7 footer and looks like he can run the floor.
Seems to have a pretty good handle on the ball, as well.
Couple good mid-range jumpshots in there, too, which (obviously) is huge, considering how that would open up the floor offensively.
Also, seems to dominate the paint defensively which...yes, have some.
Or a guy who would be a true center and not a McGary PF center. Kinda reminds me of a guy who could develop into a rich man's Jeff Withey. With Doyle as the more Beilein 4 they could make a great combo.
if his ball handling skills held up at the college level and he could lay it on the floor like that. I would be a bit more skeptical, but who knows. He does have great hands though, and as I already commented on this thread, a pretty good motor. He doesn't seem to run the floor, but he's active on both sides of the floor, which WILL translate well to the college level.
I think it's important that he is a 7 footer, his handles shouldn't be expected to be at the level of a guard, but they are terrific, especially at this juncture in his career.
Wow. Holy wow. This guy and Doyle could really ease the pain when McGary leaves.
But a potential frontcourt rotation in the 2015 season of Ricky Doyle, Stephen Zimmerman, and Mark Donnal is drool worthy on offense. It will be interesting to see who else we take in 2014, because imho we need at least 4 forwards on the roster. McGary/GRIII will be gone, and I worry Bielfeldt will exit the program prior to that time.
Sam Webb just wrote an article stating that Coach Beilein "Struck a chord" with Devin Booker. Duke just filled their SG slot. Kentucky just offered him. Anybody read the scout article and want to drop some cryptic hints?
Heavy is the flag that flaps in the tsunami breeze.
That's as cryptic as I can make it for you.
I was hoping for a "gut feeling". I would literally do a happy dance regardless of location or circumstance.
It's not bad news.
Tsunami Breeze = Michigan's National Champ. Game Run
Flag = Devin Booker
Breeze = Momentum of the UM program
Therefore, Devin Booker may be much more "heavily" considering Michigan than most though up to this point, even though he plays his recruitment close to the vest.
Disclaimer: no inside info, total Tinfoil theory.
Huh? I must be missing out on some reference here.
Booker was at a LOT of UofM games last year and I had a really good feeling about him. It seemed like he was showing a lot of love to UofM. But then he started getting offers from everywhere.
I don't think he "cooled" necessarily, but even after a great year this year, it's still hard to compete with Kentucky, etc on the national scene.
I do really hope we get Booker though. He's the best prospect we've offered in that class IMO.
This Zimmerman kid is awesome too. It's exciting to see UofM in on elite kids like these ones.
His body control is crazy for a kid that size that young.
I think by this point we probably should not expect a super impressive class in 2014. And by that I mean, of the quality of the 2012 and 2013 classes. We may have 1, possibly 2 top 100 type players, but I don't know if we will continue our streak of 5 stars. Obviously a lot can change and players develop, etc. But I think if there were some players that really liked Michigan, we would have seen more early commits like Ricky Doyle who just love the place.
2015 I for some reason feel will be a different story. I think we will be in very good shape to get a really good point guard because A) we have now sent two PGs to the NBA B) Trey Burke hit the best shot of the NCAA tournament to show what PGs in Beilein's system can do and C) I suspect we will handle 2015 PG recruiting very much like 2013. In 2013, we very quickly after mid-June extended offers to 3 highly-touted PGs. Derrick Walton (commit), Demetrius Jackson (ND Commit, top 30 ESPN), and Monte Morris (Iowa State Commit, top 90 ish ESPN, Mr. Basketball Michigan). It feels safe to assume the coaches put a little bit of pressure on the recruits saying they were only taking 1 PG in the class and whoever committed first got it. I expect that helped lead to Derrick committing as early as he did. I think that since we will really want another pure PG in 2015, Beilein will do something similar.
If we landed this kid, it would be a huge get.
Only seen him play one time this past season and was very impressed. Watching Beilein's offense first thing I thought of was he would be perfect for it (of course what 5 start wouldn't be perfect fit in any offense). He played a lot of minutes and didn't tire. Nice touch from the outside too and in warmups was knocking down the 3's. Great shot blocker but the opposing team didn't start anyone over 6'5''. Just to get a visit from a 5 star that is not a local kid shows where this program is at. Probably a long shot but would be thrilled if he came to Michigan.
Should be a epic battle with mainly pac 12 teams right now.
He's 7ft, moves well, has obvious ball skills, and he's a sophomore. What do you expect? Another 50 pounds of muscle combined with Tim Duncan post moves? Let the kid get his driver's license at least before writing him off. The upside here is RIDICULOUS, and I can only hope we're fortunate enough to pull him.
Doesn't have that "oh shit!" look on his face that a lot of big guys have with the ball on the floor. He can pop a 15-foot turn-around, but no otherreal-deal post moves that I can see- which is no big deal because he's 16-17 and plays against 6'4" types.
You can teach some post moves and footwork to a kid, but you can't teach 7'. I'm a believer.
He'd be our most highly touted recruit since Blanchard (who was top 5 IIRC) if continues his current development.
Don't forget that McGary was at one point ranked #2 in the country.
...from the highlight video is how far he _doesn't_ have to jump to dunk the ball.
On another note...holy balls, this is a Beilein prototype.