Barwis Workout Numbers?
Short sweet and to the point.
Barwis is a goddamn terminator.
I was just wondering if anyone had numbers for incoming bench squat etc. versus 6 months /1 year later. Judging by the recent pic of Denard, it looks like he could kill ninjas just by flexing. Just trying to get a reference for some strength numbers that I can expect our EE's to be at around august. Any plyometric times would also be appreciated.
January 23rd, 2010 at 11:14 PM ^
(281) 330-8004, hit him up on the low.
January 24th, 2010 at 8:31 AM ^
I really hope that's not his real number that you just posted on a blog with lots of borderline stalkers (albeit kindhearted and lovable stalkers)
January 24th, 2010 at 9:50 AM ^
+1 for the original Mike Jones reference
+1 for finding the clip to explain the reference to the rest of the group
January 24th, 2010 at 9:50 AM ^
you must be well over 30 if you didn't get that one
January 24th, 2010 at 11:02 AM ^
Try well over 40, cause I'm 39 and got it. Mike Jones....Who ...Mike Jones!!!!!
January 24th, 2010 at 11:42 AM ^
and didn't get it
January 24th, 2010 at 12:31 PM ^
same here, i don't listen to rap and have never heard that song.
January 24th, 2010 at 9:58 AM ^
Though your picture is hilarious the question is really just an extension of recruiting. What's worse? Knowing how our current young guys are progressing in the weight room or following what 16 and 17 y/o kids are doing before they even get to Michigan?
January 23rd, 2010 at 11:22 PM ^
Terminators... Ninjas... I'm too scared to answer your question.
Just kidding... I don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
January 24th, 2010 at 12:34 AM ^
Plyometrics: Cone Drills, Standing Vertical, 20 yd shuffle
January 24th, 2010 at 9:07 AM ^
Wikipedia has a thorough explanation:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plyometrics
Also found a list of plyometric and Olympic style weightlifting movements:
http://www.exrx.net/Lists/PowerExercises.html
January 24th, 2010 at 12:09 AM ^
well the thing is, Bariws doesn't stress the normal bench, squat, dead-lift, he stresses the Olympic lifts, so while they may do bench squat etc, bench and deadlift are not staples of the workout program. Squat is still done but not on the scale that people are used to.
now plyometrics (more like explosive movements), on the other hand is a huge part of his methodology.
January 24th, 2010 at 8:36 AM ^
I've wanted those numbers for a while, but other than some smuggled photos from Spring practice they are rarely given. Last year they had a story about M. Martin holding the school record for the clean, but some people don't think he is big enough to play DT, which I can't figure out.
Also Barwis doesn't let the players do max lifts for fear of injury so when you see strength numbers know that they are extrapolated numbers from a formula Barwis created based on the amount of reps they can do with their workout weight.
January 24th, 2010 at 9:12 AM ^
I think when people say Martin is too small, they mean specifically nose tackle, which regardless of how strong he is (freaking bull strong no doubt), he really is extremely undersized for the position. He's really wasted at that NT position, being asked to take on an occupy blockers. He'd be a beast at a traditional 4-3 under tackle position, where he can use his quickness, as well as strength. Or RVB's DT position, which would be perfect, and is the position I'm hoping we have the depth for him to play this season.
As for the S&C program, I'm sure that Barwis stresses things like power cleans, etc. to build up that explosion.
January 24th, 2010 at 10:57 AM ^
I have always found the debate interesting and I'm on RR side, but the question becomes who is more effective Martin who is the strongest guy at 280 or the same guy fatter at 320. If Martin is stronger than that guy I think I want Martin in the middle. His quickness lets him get the 1st punch in and his strength allows him to hold up. He came in and said he doesn't not like big lineman they just don't nee a gut.
January 25th, 2010 at 8:00 AM ^
I'm not disputing that an in shape Martin is a better option at NT than an out of shape guy at 320. However, an in shape guy at 320 is a better option at NT than an in shape Mike Martin at 280-290. If Will Campbell is in shape, he's a far better option at NT than Martin. Who would you rather have at NT, Mike Martin or Alan Branch? There's a reason why guys like Ted Washington are considered extremely valuable to a 3-4 defense, and why guys like Shaun Rogers and Kris Jenkins are considered stud NT's in the NFL, despite not being in the best shape.
And personally, I've always been of the opinion that you put a guy in the best position possible to succeed and have an impact on a game, not put him at a less than ideal position simply because he's the best option you have. Martin did well this year for being very undersized for the position. That said, there were several instances during the season where he was blown a good 10 yards off the ball against power running teams that double teamed him.
None of that however, is a shot against Rod or GERG. I understand that he was basically the ONLY option at that position that was capable of playing because of an extreme lack of DT/NT depth. It was also alright because RVB played well, or was at least solid, at the DT position, and BG was a monster at the other end position.
January 24th, 2010 at 11:12 AM ^
Obviously lifting is important as part of the S&C regimen in general, but just because some guy is lifting monster numbers it doesn't mean he's going to be a factor on the field. Will Johnson was a beast in the weightlifting room at Michigan, and set some record at the NFL combine during the weightlifting sessions. Yet he was essentially a journeyman at UM, wasn't even remotely close to being a dominant player, and in spite of his combine workout is not on any NFL roster. If you've got the basic talent, then what Barwis can do will help maximize that talent, which is what he did with Brandon Graham. Barwis is not a magician; he can't make something out of nothing.
January 24th, 2010 at 11:50 AM ^
The subject of Barwis and his magic keeps coming to the forefront here. Maybe it is too early to tell, but does Michigan really have fewer injuries than do other programs? Seems like our O was riddled with injuries last year. Molk, Brown, Minor, Odums Forcier and Smith immediately come to mind. Perhaps it is Michigan hating gods, or sometimes, things just happen.
Is Michigan's S & C really better than what happens at the better football programs? I am not trying to suggest that Barwis is not excellent in what he does, but I wonder if our S & C is really that much different than what goes on at the better programs.
January 24th, 2010 at 12:10 PM ^
Barwis brings us back up to the S&C Standard across D1 football. Gittleson's PizzaPizza method was good/great for many years, but S&C is more advanced now, much more is known about the science of muscles and the human body.
However, Gittleson probably would have really liked David Brandon's Domino's connection!
January 24th, 2010 at 12:51 PM ^
Well forcier, odoms, and smith are all pretty small for big 10 play and have a much higher likely hood of being injured. Minor and Brown have been injury prone since day 1. As for molk...well that just sucked.
January 25th, 2010 at 12:04 AM ^
I see what you're saying, and there is plenty of truth to it but at the same time not all injuries are created equally. Many common football injuries that can prevented or lessened by a good S&C program, but not all.
For an example: 300+ lbs wearing cleats is going to destroy a foot no matter how conditioned he is. For the (unfortunate) ACL injuries we had this year, sometimes you just get bent over the wrong way, or take shot in just the right way.. boom bye-bye ACL. The shoulder injuries are more easily preventable with proper S&C, but again if you get your shoulder driven into the turf it's going to be injured.
January 24th, 2010 at 12:49 PM ^
Barwis is much more into being on the cutting edge of exercise physiology, while incorporating some of the "old school" ways more for mental toughness.
January 24th, 2010 at 2:15 PM ^
They will do testing in both the spring and the summer, but right now they are probably (or have before and should be) really working on form and technique of the early enrollees to make sure they prevent injury and are doing lifts correctly so they can gain strength in muscles that the lift is designed to train(cleans should be training the calves,hips and traps more than the shoulders, biceps, and back). Plus it is probably more towards the hypertrophy part of the workout where numbers dont really mean a whole lot because they are trying to increase size and cross sectional area of the muscle fibers with high reps, lower weight,and short rest. True strength testing gains will be looked at later and compared to their original numbers from baseline testing, but they do it actually on a weekly basis through formulas that use certain percentages from reps and weight done the week before. I would bet right now some big strength gains are being made because its early in their S&C phase and neurological changes are being made to recruit more motor units for force production. All that really matters right now is that the guys are busting there asses in the weight room and turf building so when August comes we can see some major improvements on the field where it is designed to be effective.