TheMadGrasser

December 2nd, 2010 at 3:43 PM ^

when you say things like "replace fat with muscle". I'm not trying to nit pick, just educate. The body likes staying in homeostasis, so getting it to alter it's weight takes a perfect storm of stressors (resistance/cardio) and dietary changes. Fat loss is a much faster process than muscle building, if everything is in line (diet, cardio). And as another post pointed out, it's virtually impossible to build muscle tissue whilst dropping fat.

Michigan Shirt

December 2nd, 2010 at 4:03 PM ^

when you say things like "virtually impossible", as it's use here is not accurate. It is all about what you want out of this program, if you are looking for a program to lose weight while getting a leaner look use this program with a 500 or more daily calorie deficiency. If you are at a healthy weight and want to gain muscle you can eat 500 more calories than you burn. For most people who want to do both than you can go to a 200-300 calorie deficiency and gain some muscle mass while still dropping fat, it is possible as I have done it. I am not trying to come on here as a bodybuilder. I am still a little overweight, but after dropping 40 lbs. I believe that I can speak to the validity of this program.

Note: I am not a P90X spokesman even though it may seem like I am trying to act like one, just a satisfied user.

coachclen

December 2nd, 2010 at 12:37 PM ^

I watched Barwis at a coaching conference two years ago and he told us all that chocolate milk was the way to go. I encourage all of my players to drink as much as they can, specifically before (not too much before!) and after workouts.

RickenbockeR

December 2nd, 2010 at 12:38 PM ^

Do the players actually drink chocolate milk post workout?

I always thought when the players referred to post workout "chocolate milk" that they were actually drinking a protein shake or something along those lines.

Milk also contains casein protein which is a good, slow-digesting protein. 

michgoblue

December 2nd, 2010 at 1:51 PM ^

I have been lifting for years.  Never competed, but would certainly term myself an advanced weight lifter.  Chocolate milk has been used as a post-workout recovery drink for ages.  Why?

After a workout, you want two things:  (1) protein, preferably some of which is in the form of whey protein, and (2) high glycemic carbs (i.e. mostly sugar, so that it gets to your muscled ASAP and causes an insulin response that allows your body to maximize protein absorption).

The one thing that you do not want is fat right after a workout, because it slows down the above-described insulin response, minimizing the amount of protein that goes to the muscles.

Clocolate milk - presumably he is using skim or 1% - is the perfect drink.  The chocolate is essentially straight suger, and the milk is a perfect mix of simple carbs (milk sugar) and protein. 

Oh, and it tastes really good, too.

BlueintheLou

December 2nd, 2010 at 12:55 PM ^

I constantly wonder about this. So, Rocky climbs this mountain in Russia for training. If the movie has it right, he summits said mountain around sunset. So, how does Rocky get down?

a) Riding the avalanche down caused by screaming "Drago" really loud?

b) Hearts on Firing his way down in the dark?

c) Sleeps on the mountain and comes down in the morning.

riverrat

December 2nd, 2010 at 12:55 PM ^

Not that Barwis's endorsement isn't plenty, but my wife is a Registered Dietitian and has been bringing chocolate milk to the high school athletes in our family's games for a couple of years now. As you might guess, we're pretty popular...

papabear16

December 2nd, 2010 at 12:57 PM ^

For those who have heard Barwis speak, has he ever addressed players who cannot drink milk?  I'm lactose intolerant, so I've been using protein shakes with good results, but miss being able to just chug some good ol' chocolate milk.

coachclen

December 2nd, 2010 at 1:00 PM ^

All I really remember hearing him say was something along the lines of, "People spend tons of money on expensive protien shakes, when all they really need to do is spend a few bucks on a gallon of choclate milk." Not an exact quote, but you get the idea.

Obviously if you are lactose intolerant, you don't have much of a choice.

michgoblue

December 2nd, 2010 at 1:56 PM ^

Wow, this is getting really off the topic of Michigan football, but your mom may have something other than lactose intolerance called irritable bowel syndrom.  If she was just lactose intolerant, the lactaid milk should cause her no problems (unless she just has an incredibly bad case).  My mother-in-law las IB and the lactiad doesn't work for her either.

Or, is it possible that your mom was just drinking the milk while watching the Wisco or OSU games?  If so, I don't think that it was the milk that soured her stomach.

Magnus

December 2nd, 2010 at 1:03 PM ^

I drink chocolate milk after I work out; I typically toss in a scoop of whey protein and a handful of frozen strawberries and blend it all together.

Yum.

NOLA Wolverine

December 2nd, 2010 at 2:56 PM ^

I don't know how long you've done that for, but from my experience (and aparently many others, because these issues ended up being reported on ABC World News) prolonged use of the powder can cause some digestion problems. Also, over loading on protein negatively affects your liver. On top of that, the jury's still out on how much protein you actually get out of the powders.

Magnus

December 2nd, 2010 at 5:25 PM ^

From what I've read, the dangers of whey protein are only if you "overdose" on it by using an excessive amount each day.  I usually consume one or two scoops (sometimes one in the morning; almost always one when I work out in the evening).  I still get most of my protein from chicken, eggs, turkey, etc.

TheMadGrasser

December 2nd, 2010 at 6:18 PM ^

Do you know how many lifters have been using protein supplements for 10-20 years without consequence? If it's not already apparent, the MSM is very misleading and uninformed when it comes to anything in this realm. That's not to say it won't effect certain people, but come on. Whey protein? A milk derivative. What's the difference between drinking milk and replacing with a powder?

Where are you coming up with these false claims? Effects your liver? Again, then drinking milk negatively effects your liver too. Not trying to be a dick, but please stop spouting false claims because you clearly don't have any factual basis.

aleng

December 2nd, 2010 at 1:25 PM ^

When do you grow the most in your life? As a baby. What do babies drink? Milk. I remember seeing a quote similar to this from Barwis when questioned about milk when he first came to Michigan.

BlockM

December 2nd, 2010 at 1:53 PM ^

Breath and blood samples taken after the first and second weeks indicated that the chocolate milk drinkers had greater muscle rebuilding.

Woah woah woah, you mean there's a way for someone to determine I have all the muscle mass of a six year old girl just by me breathing into something? Eff you science.

Black Socks

December 2nd, 2010 at 1:58 PM ^

From what I have been reading lately (health wise), baby cow milk is not ideal for adult humans, especially pasteurized(loaded with rGBH).  Supposedly grass fed raw milk is okay for the body.

TheMadGrasser

December 2nd, 2010 at 2:57 PM ^

about what is the "best" post-WO nutrition. Honestly, post-WO nutrition is overrated namely for the fact that most people don't have their diet in order outside post-WO.  Diet is all goal dependent, yet I always see people touting that their NO Explode!!1!!/muscle milk/protein powder alone is getting them jacKeD! This is not to say that supplements are bad, but they are just that, supplements. There's no replacement for whole food.

Either way, choco milk post-WO is a good choice if you're looking to add weight, but not so much if you're looking to lose.

SFBlue

December 2nd, 2010 at 3:13 PM ^

Whey protein isolate, chocolate flavored.  Less fat, doesn't make you feel bloaty.  Choco milk for the occaisonal change-up, but only if it's sufficiently lowfat (i.e., 1%).  Choco milk may be OK for college-aged kids, but not when you're 30-plus.