He really changed direction with the second half of that quote.
Barry Every's Quote on Michigan's LB Haul
Everybodys on notice.
From now on I see a red sash, I kill the man wearing it. So run you cur. And tell the other curs the law is coming. You tell 'em I'm coming! And Hell's coming with me you hear! Hell's coming with me!
Harsh Language there for the tiny bucks ! I support that !
And little brother.
Also, it sounds like Jenkins-Stone, Ross, and probably Bolden will be 4-stars on Rivals. Ringer's rating is a little murkier...
I'd be surprised if they werent
Why is Ringer murkier? I see he isn't on the Rivals250 watchlist so that makes sense, but more football-wise. Scout has him at 4 and I keep seeing quotes about him being the best LB in Ohio around MGoLand (can't find source).
What about his play/size/etc. makes him have less of a chance for a 4* with Rivals than other services?
Not arguing, strictly wondering if you have a bead on Rivals' rating differences, thanks.
Well, the mods on Rivals said that Barry Every didn't mention Ringer at all in their discussion about 4-star prospects, so it's a little unclear on their end.
In my personal opinion, Ringer is more limited physically. He's not extremely fast or agile, and he's not particularly big, either. He's essentially the same size as James Ross, but not as good of an athlete (in my opinion, obviously). I still think there's a good chance that Ringer ends up as a 4-star, but I think it will be a low 4-star with a floor of being a high 3-star.
Thanks for that.
It's paywalled, Ringer is #16 in the state, the first LB (they have a bunch of DEs in the top 15). Josh Perry is #17 and the second ranked LB, a tSIO commit. Joe Bolden is #18 and obviously the third ranked LB.
I'm thinking OSU may have to start changing their recruiting strategy a bit. Considering UM seems to be going hot in the Midwest and Ohio (and if we can keep it up for years to come), and on top of that Dantonio's in roads to Ohio, the waiting strategy isn't working as hot. Tressel in recent memory seems to put minimal offers out and kind of wait, then go from there afterward. At this point they may have to start getting more active, especially with more plan B prospects in case they miss on plan A. I'm sure the NCAA investigation doesn't help either.
Agreed. We've shown that we intend to hit the trail hard and fast, and in today's recruiting game that can create separation that's difficult to eclipse later down the road.
If we had delayed any longer on RJS, we might have been insurmountably disadvantaged in his recruitment.
You guys should read the post on duanelongreport.com. He is very confused about osu recruiting strategy and wants some explanation. Schadenfreude is an amazing thing.
His take on Jim Tressel is about the best I've yet read from ANYBODY on the subject. Long gets a temporary free pass from rivalric ribbing for this alone:
Simply put, did OSU win any football games because some athletes sold paraphernalia? I would say no. But did OSU win any football games because Jim Tressel knowingly withheld information that would likely have made those players ineligible? Quite possibly so and there is the distinction I fear the NCAA will make. And thus, as it stands now, the self-imposed punishment does not fit the crime.
This was, for me, the point of clarity I was looking for from the OSU fanbase.
It also helped me set my expectations for recommended punishment. Under the premise of double the punishment for the effect:
Crime: Tressel got the initial e-mail on April 16, 2010. He did some more looking into it but it's a fair assumption that from the start of fall practice in 2010 he was reasonably sure that the Tat-Five were ineligible.
Punishment: The 2010 season in its entirety is wiped from the books.* Tressel himself is hit with a 26-game suspension (13 games x2), effectively forcing his retirement.
Crime: Tressel lied in December about having just found out, and lobbied to have the five included in the Bowl Game, decisively changing the outcome of that game when most fans believed allowing them to play was a ridiculous special compensation anyway.
Punishment: Two-year bowl ban for Ohio State, beginning in 2012-13.
Crime: Tressel submitted false reports to NCAA concerning his knowledge of the events, in a direct attempt to subvert and defraud.
Punishment: Four years of probation (2 counts, x2 for severity)
Crime: Ohio State benefited from five players' eligibility during the entirety of the 2010-11 season when they were in fact ineligible that entire time.
Punishment: Ohio State loses 10 scholarships spread out over 2 years (5 players x 2)
That's the baseline I'm looking for from this, based on principles that have governed past acts. However I don't think the NCAA has it in them to go that far.
* Personally I hate this. History happened.
To me the worst is the scholarships -20 for two. I think you're in the ballpark for punishment, but I would add the repeat offenders AND JT "landmine dancing" going back to YSU days. His "hear no, see no, speak no" act is getting old. I would trade all the punishment for his whole legacy erased like the FAB5, not that the games didn't happen but just to see the Anarchy.
Vacating record books bothers me a lot. If they get hit with it I'll make it a Dear Diary topic. As a blogger I rely on the official sites for statistics. And as a Michigan fan how often do we talk about the all-time record versus Ohio State? Now there'll be two records, and we'll have to denote whether we're counting 2010 or not.
Asterisks of shame for osu are just fine with me. Provisional M-osu record for ongoing NCAA investigation:
7*-game winning streak (osu)
I prefer justice where the protagonist has a hope of repaying his debt to society. Justice may be painful, but not permanent, because permanent provides no incentive to reform.
Justice would be to make Ohio State function at a substantial disadvantage for several seasons and suffer two or three or four losses to Michigan because of it.
That would also be "righteous."
That would also be "awesome."
In fact there are few things better in the world I can think of than beating Ohio State in football.
it's about time we go back to dominating msu in every aspect of football, inlcuding recruiting.
Apart from a couple local guys that probably would have gone to MSU regardless of who was coaching at Michigan, when have we ever not domintated MSU in recruiting?
beats you three years in a row on the field, I think it can be safely stated that they are beating you in recruiting as well. The point is the advantage, if any, seems to have been short lived.
If two teams compete for the same guys, and one team gets more of those guys, that's "winning" the recruiting battle.
I don't think we can claim to have dominated MSU in in-state recruiting lately. It's been a mixed bag, with some wins and some losses. That's not that good by our historical standards. Historically, it's been more normal for us to pretty much get any in-state kid we want, unless the kid has family ties to MSU.
That's really not true - there have been many years that MSU has gotten big time in-state recruits - Charles Rogers, Drew Stanton and Agim Shabaj, TJ Duckett, etc. I know I'm reaching a little bit with some of those, but it's not un common for one or two big time recruits to choose MSU any given year, especially if those kids go to a Sparty-leaning school (Harrison, Southwestern, Rennaissance, for example). What has happened the last few years isn't that far off the norm.
msu's recruiting has been in line with the norm, but michigan has fallen off the last couple years (in terms of rankings and whatnot), so it's been more even than normal. grabbing one or two top in state talents doesn't make for better overall recruiting.
Well, two of the four guys you mentioned had family ties to MSU, and I don't think we were interested in Shabaj. Rogers was a genuine loss. Again - we've historically won the vast majority of recruiting battles that didn't involve a guy from an MSU family. The last couple of years we were getting closer to .500.
I'm not sure how heavily we pursued Shabaj, but we offered him.
i'm not saying we've "lost" to msu in recruiting lately, but it's pretty tough to make a case that we've dominated them.
Article from Michael Spath:http://michigan.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1217736
"James Ross became Michigan's eighth verbal commitment today and U-M's fourth linebacker recruit. With his pledge, and those of Royce Jenkins-Stone, Joe Bolden and Kaleb Ringer, a question has emerged: is this the Wolverines' best linebacker haul ever? The answer - it just might be ..."
this is some hard hitting jourounalism. research please!
Im loving it... Hoke and mattison at it baby!!!
Im loving it... Hoke and mattison at it baby!!!