Saw this on Twitter. Can anyone in the band confirm? Would be awful if true.
EDIT: Now confirmed. What a joke.
Alabama's band, though, will be on hand at Cowboy Stadium. Members of the MMB that I've heard from are none too happy with the decision.
Saw this on Twitter. Can anyone in the band confirm? Would be awful if true.
EDIT: Now confirmed. What a joke.
Alabama's band, though, will be on hand at Cowboy Stadium. Members of the MMB that I've heard from are none too happy with the decision.
What happens to their reserved seating Jones agreed to give them? See Section 3 of the contract to play:
And why would it be negotiated into the contract only to back out and have Alabama be the only one with a band? That doesn't sound right...
Edit: Wow...four point fucking seven million dollars to play and no band, with Alabama blaring its fight song across the field? Unacceptable is really the correct word for this.
because the game is not a typical road game
BECAUSE IT'S A HOME GAME THAT YOU SOLD FOR $4.7 MILLION! STOP MAKING IT SOUND LIKE IT'S A ROAD GAME OR BOWL GAME.
Maybe he needs all of that extra room to unveil his new mascot.
Does someone have Brandon's email address?
I suggested #MMBtoDallas as the hashtag. Someone tape it to the door of Ann Arbor Torch & Pitchfork.
I am now officially reconsidering whether or not I will as well.
I was going to go and see family in the band. Now a 135 deg F weekend in Dallas doesn't seem worth the investment. Thanks DB.
Hopefully the band will be re-compensated with a long distance bowl (say Pasedena).
I can't imagine that the U of M band will not make the trip. That would be very surprising!
Well unless they change their minds, it's what's happening.
Maybe we'll get new uniforms, advertisements (European soccer-style across the front), piped in Black Eyed Peas crap "music", an Arby's sponsorship, and a MASCOT instead. Seriously, look on the bright side guys and trust Dave.
Well now that you put it that way... I DO love Arby's.
The athletic department sent me a survey yesterday where I ripped on the aggressive marketing, rawk music, hashtags on the field, etc. Wish I had has this news yesterday. This coming from a Ross grad with a concentration in Marketing. I feel like the marketing department is yelling at us, the idea of subtle intelligent marketing seems beyond them.
In selling to certain audiances you need to have the appropriate message using the appropriate channel. I still think we are getting a heavy dose of Domino's/NBA Marketing hype. I think they can get the same or better results by not treating us like idiots.
Not bringing the band is just plain stupid. Can't afford it? Then at least try passing the hat.
I get selling, I get marketing, I get the need for money but I feel the approach is overly aggressive.
I bet we could round up enough money here to send the band. "Michigan Band brought to you by Mgoblog" and have them wear one of the Tremendous t-shirts.
Moneybags Brandon doesn't want to foot the bill. That's the only logical explanation I can think of.
I know at one point the AD was insisting the MMB take buses to Dallas instead of flying. That's at least 20 hours in each direction, and the MMB refused.
If thats the case then I can't really feel too bad for them. They were given the option to go and turned it down. The game is before classes start too so its not like they'd be losing a ton of valuable study time by driving instead of flying. In high school our band took Indian Trails buses 25+ hours to Disney in Florida and back and we survived just fine.
It's not like the band members all got together and made the decision to not take buses. If this happened, it was the administration that made the choice.
Your HS also wasn't making a shit load of money to play the game in the first place. Just sayin. I don't buy the budget argument.
It wasn't the band's choice to open the season in Dallas, TX of all places. I doubt that Dave Brandon consulted the band when he struck the deal to play this game. Back when we used to do Pac-10 road trips, we flew our band out instead of forcing them to bus all the way to the West Coast. Dallas isn't all that much closer. Given the amount of money the AD stands to make from this game, asking the band to bus 20 hours instead of flying them is pretty cheap, IMHO. I don't think the band is being unreasonable in asking to be flown.
I think you have never driven that before. Dallas TX is a 18 hours. Eugene OR is 39 hours. That's a HUGE difference. I've done the Dallas trip in a day, it's possible. Oregon, not at all feasible.
I'm going to take a wild guess and say your high school band isn't as big as the MMB.
Are you from Owosso? If so what year did you graduate?
PopEvil will be going in their place
Given that we gave up a home game for this, this isn't right. They need to be there.
It also seems like one of those rare situations that might be affected by a public display of dissatisfaction.
Curses. I was just about to post that.
the word "curses" in that context. My Dad used to say that all the time, and his Birthday would have been earlier this week. Whe I read it, I heard him saying it in my head. Thanks for the laugh.
Are we just going to hire TCU's band and slap some Michigan hats and vests on them, like we did to Florida's band at the Gator Bowl a while back? Are we just not going to have a band there?
It just doesn't seem fair for a group that puts in so much work for the University and is so loved by the fan base.
well that completely sucks...
This game is horsehit...
I asked for salmon!
I get budgets and what have you, but THIS IS MICHIGAN, FERGODSAKES
We raised 46,000 + for a 20,000 project. What does it cost to get the entire band down there? 100k?
Spirit has flights for 225, it's 157.80 if they get a 30% discount. Multiply that by 350 and you have airfare costs of just over $55,000. If they can do four-to-a-room at $100 per night, you're looking at a little over $26,000 for hotel, plus you have to feed them, at $30 per day that's another $30,000 and change.
So yes, about a hundred grand once you include busses and taxes, as long as they do it on the (relatively) cheap.
You would have to pay for their seats too.
Seats for the band were reserved.
But you can bet Darth Brandon is looking at the opportunity cost of losing that ticket revenue.
What a cheap, shoddy thing to do. Honestly, they can't afford it? The bank will foreclose on the stadium if the band goes? How does this reflect positively on the AD?
Seems to be ongoing tension between Brandpn and the MMB.
Former band member here. Generally, the band takes huge jumbo jets to the bowl site. You have to have something big enough to take upwards of 400 people, plus the instruments.
Also, the band rents out an entire semi-truck (and the driver) for about a week, in addition to the buses and their drivers.
I don't actually know what it costs exactly, but given my experience I'd be surprised if it's not at least $500K. Maybe for this one they'd stay at a cheaper hotel than they normally do for the bowl. But even if it was $500K, that would still be $4.2 million of profit for the AD.......
I figured it wasn't accurate, but I have no way to price out "737 for the weekend".
Also, not to be siding with DB on this, but it isn't $4.7m in profit, it's $4.7m in revenue. If a home game makes four million, the AD only nets $700k on the deal. IMO the AD made the deal and that's their problem, but it's something to at least consider.
Yeah, I figured I was probably screwing up the numbers. Accountant, I am not.
However, I think we can agree that no matter the cost, this decision is dumb. It's not like sending the band will cause us to file for Chapter 11.
I've done the math and I believe we will need to raise 213.7 million dollars. Drat!
The football team will has just been informed that they too will not be attending the game in Dallas.
just as the twitterverse made wisconsin reverse course on its transfer rule, i hope our collective outrage forces DB to reconsider.
But I think it could. I encourage everyone to send emails/Twitters to DB to fly the band to TX.
cant find it
OP: I suggest you put this in your post.
I just tweeted DB suggesting he reconsider his decision.
I bet he's really worried now...
We need to get Shane involved! He has got some serious pull around the Michigan twitterverse.
Somebody will fork over the money. Too many rich alums for Michigan for this to not happen.
It's certainly possible he's holding out until a donor steps up, but "I'm going to do something shitty unless someone pays me otherwise" is not a great way to run an athletic department in the long term.
Al Glick or Stephen Ross can open up the checkbook. 100k, no sweat.
Why should they foot the bill exactly? Just because they are wealthy and have given a lot of money in the past? If the band doesn't attend the game I don't want Brandon there either, at least on the University's dime. He can pay out of his own (deep) pocket and sit with the rest of the peasants in the stands.
I'm starting to wonder exactly what the purpose is.
Quite disappointed in Michigan Athletics. We all know they have enough money to send the band to Arlington for this statement game. Also, we can all-but-guarantee Alabama's band will be there. This is what the Michigan name is for: providing the best to our teams when we have the opportunity.
Picture this: Michigan drives in for the first score of the game. The crowd is 65% crimson. There is a underwhelming amount of cheering, since the majority of the fans are not happy about the score. The announcers, being biased towards the SEC due to TV contracts, downplay the score and talk about how Alabama won't let that happen again. No band to pump up our team and our fans, no fight song, no nothin'. That's just... shitty.
Great home game...
This literally, actually, positively, definitely makes NO sense.
Shepherd is one of the larger donors to the marching band. If I'm not entirely mistaken, he footed most of the bill to get us that chartered jet to Orlando for the Capital One bowl.
It sounds like there wouldn't even be a chance for this to happen as it's an administrative issue rather than a financial.
Maybe another relevant example?: 2006 there was talk about being funded (by Shepherd) to take the band to PSU for that game. Ended up being nixed by Paterno (et al)
Shepherd graduated from my HS (Fenton HS), and he gave me a $10K schollie. I felt bad until I found out that just one of his gigs is owning 45% of Denny's. He's given a ton of $$ to women's athletics, too, to include the gymnastics facility..
How does it "enhance the Michigan brand" to show a Michigan product on a featured stage that doesn't depict the true capabilities of the UM experience? Nobody here will argue the band is the main attraction, but they're certainly a large portion of an expected Michigan football experience. Seems contradictory, Mr. Brandon.
oh, and way to make this more of an alabama home game, DB.
This news just plain sucks. The MMB and the music they play is an essential part of Michigan football. This is a huge national game and it is essential to show Michigan football in its best ligfht. That cannot be done without the MMB, cheerleaders, etc..
This whole thing is starting to suck more and more. It should have been a two game home and home event just like Bama and PSU did over the last two years. Bama was incredibly hospitable to PSU people and vice versa.
This whole process become more F'd up every time the subject comes up. If this is Brandon's thinking, it needs to be thought about some more.
WHAT IS BRANDON'S EMAIL ADDRESS?
Gentlmen, get out your pens.
Dear Mr. Brandon,
I was deeply troubled when I learned earlier today that the University of Michigan Marching Band will not be making the trip to Dallas for our season opening "home game" versus Alabama. This game is as much about bringing a Michigan Football experience to other parts of the country as it is a chance to play football. The band has consistently proven itself to be a group of excellent ambassadors for our program, and the reward for their hard work is the right to represent the university at home and abroad.
I sincerely hope you reconsider your position. I know that given recent ticket price increases, meteotoric rises in concession prices and aggravation, and a reduced schedule of quality home games, I have been reconsidering my attendance each fall. To have what is ostensibly a Michigan home game begin with anything other than, "Band, Take the Field", is completely unacceptable.
YO PUT YO NAME HERE, DAWG
I just sent my letter in. My wrath is building.
C'mon people. We funded a magazine 230%, got #BruceFreed, we #BeatOhio, and we've won countless internet polls. MAKE YOUR VOICE HEARD. Outrage changed Bo Ryan today, outrage can change DB today!
Is nothing sacred anymore?? This is a travesty of epic proportions. Brandon has supposedly been responsive via email in the past - time to start showing up in his inbox en masse!
I hope somewhere Coach Hoke is raging. He has always laoved the MMB
I guess I'll just have to bring my trombone then.
Not-really-neutral site games are lame.
It's all about the Benjamin's, apparently. I gotta believe this is in direct response to Bama and LSU spending $1M+ to bring their bands to the BCS game
Quite simply put: A Michigan football Saturday without the Michigan Marching band is sacreligious. And in this case, it's purely unacceptable. The money is there and it's Labor Day weekend.
I am just waiting for Brandon to just get rid of the band altogether- maybe they can just have a hype video and rawk music instead of the band forming the M at the beginning of the game. Sound is sound, right?
Apparently his conception of the Michigan brand is just anything that saves/makes money. He should remember that money is useless except in what it is used for. We don't love Michigan because it's a really wealthy athletic department or because it has a great marketing department. We love it because of things like the band, the winged helmet, etc. I knew I had arrived at a special place when I saw the band first come onto the field and form that M, with the banner being raised soon after.
Oh and I am not some old timer who hates any and all change. That moment I just wrote about? 2006.
It might be worth checking to see what other games the band is scheduled to go to this year. Every year they usually go to our rivalry games and then maybe one other away game. This year, I am sure they are scheduled to go to both ND and OSU. So they will already have a big travel budget even if they don't include any other game game such as Nebraska.
Of course I want to see them in Dallas for such a big game and will let Dave Brandon know that. But at the same time, before we go too crazy let's wait to confirm the news from the athlectic department and to learn the reason why.
the band, not the athletic department, funds those 2 annual away trips themselves.
Ohio State and Notre Dame are almost definitely in the cards... the band hasn't attended any away games other than those teams and MSU in recent memory.
That being said, this game should be getting similar treatment to a bowl game. The exposure is simply too great.
It's a nice matchup, but it's not a bowl. Bowls are structured as a reward at the culmination of the season, and they're a break from Winter weather.
This, if true (is there confirmation?) would be very wrong. We were supposed to have signed this deal to give us the financial equivalent of a home game at Michigan Stadium. If so, we should be able to bring the MMB. If we can't afford it, then it was a mistake to sign the contract.
I guess I'll have to play The Victors in my head everytime Denard shreds through the Alabama D.
we need to do something.
If this thread isn't worth a first post, I don't know one that is. Thanks GBsince1992.
With the marching band, rivalry games have been automatic road trips since the beginning of time and we have games at South Bend and Columbus this year. I don't think the band has ever made 3 regular season road trips. That would be very costly.
It will suck not having the band for the Bama game but I'd rather have them be at Notre Dame and OSU anyway.
I think the only way the band could go to the Bama game is if some rich guy makes an insane donation for that specific purpose like when OSU took their band to Texas in 06.
While all these things are true, they are also probably things Brandon should have thought of before signing away a home game for a cash grab in Texas. Or at least should have made the cash grab include enough money to pay for the band to travel.
Yes. This is only an away game BECAUSE DB MADE IT AN AWAY GAME. If there is not enough upside giving away a home game then don't do it.
Who exactly is this intended to benefit? It's clear it's not the fans. I guess we know where we stand in the DB regime. Another finger poke in the eye. Because he can.
However, the band funds those trips to OSU and Notre Dame itself, not the athletic department.
Now THAT I did not know.
We play at MSU in odd numbered years and at OSU and ND in even numbered years. In the past during odd numbered years or when ND was off the schedule, the band got surprise trips to Illinois, Northwestern and usually Penn State. But then the PSU game got moved a year off so trips to Happy Valley had to stop.
Regardless, I think this will be too big of an issue for Dave Brandon to ignore. There's plenty of time to raise money or have doners step up to pay the way for the band to be at this game...which they should. But at the same time, I don't want the trips to South Bend and Columbus to be sacrificed either. It is essential for the band to be at those games.
I understand the norm, but this isn't a normal game. We're making a lot of money off of this game that we don't make when we travel to Big Ten sites.
There is no excuse not to bring the band to this game. No acceptable excuse whatsoever.
clearly the money is going towards some alternate uniforms....i mean nothing says brand like another non michigan looking alternate to wear
It is what I just did. Ha, the wonderfulness of social media biting Brandon in the ass. But seriously lets make sure he understands what Michigan fans want and expect. This shouldn't be his football program, it is our football program.
Perhaps this will change Dave Brandon's mind:
That image demonstrates the power of perception. The # at the very top of the image is the same size as the one at the very bottom.
As a twirler in the band, I am pretty disappointed the MMB will not be traveling to Dallas to support our players. It will be my senior year and my last year with the MMB. However, I'm down to road trip down there and if someone wants to throw me down on the field, I will do an impromtu halftime show complete with fire batons.
You are awesome and we will as a whole throw you down there after each touchdown. Maybe Jerry would be so kind as to blast The Victors on the PA as courtesy. Southern hospitality is in order.
Sounds about right!
I mean, with enough outrage, Brandon will have no choice but to make this happen. Unless this is all actually just a ploy to get people talking when in reality they will send the band to Dallas.
I'd rather they were there than not, but it's a huge expense to transport, house, and feed such a large group. It seems like an expensive luxury.
This isn't a bowl game, it's just a really far away non-conference game. Dallas that time of year is not much fun to visit. Brandon isn't robbing these kids of a significant experience. As for atmosphere, this is a generic giant stadium where the MMB's charms are going to be underappreciated anyway. If there is a choice between this game and a conference road game, I'd choose the conference game without question.
Dave Brandon is a troglodite*
"At some point during [the 2007 Rose Bowl], I decided that Michigan's fight song is my favorite college fight song, [...] You can hear the Michigan song 200 times in three hours (and we did) and it never gets old." - Bill Simmons
What no Hail to the Victors playing after we score, I cannot imagine! Somebody do something about this PLEASE!
Dave Brandon is the Nick Saban of ADs. If he can make, or save, $1 by doing something he'll do it.
Thanks a whole lot, Mr. Brandon. In the interests of keeping costs down (never mind that you got the band seats per the contract) and spirits high, I will help out with the music then...
I can offer some level of guitar skill. If I can get another guitarist, a bassist, a drummer, possibly a keyboardist and someone with pipes, we can form the MICHIGAN RAWK BAND. We can play rock arrangements of "The Victors" and other songs. Most importantly, we can cover "Seven Nation Army" (and "In the Big House" with a majority vote). AND we will be so much cheaper than the MMB, so DB can still save money. He will have to pitch in for a new amp, because mine's not big enough to fill the stadium with sound.
I heard its going to be piped in from Ann Arbor.
I"m sure the higher-ups in the administration, most of the athletic department people, and the trustees will be attending, courtesy of the University of Michigan. I'm really glad to see David Brandon demonstrate, once again, that tradition and the student body are both so important to him.
So who wants to drive me to Dallas? I'm small.... I can fit in your trunk.
You guys (gals) are doubly screwed, because you also didn't have any idea that you'd have to buy tickets to get in when they went on sale. Super-fail.
Missouri State Patrol will not be happy to discover you twirling fire-twinged batons in my trunk.
They ain't gotsta know about it
do you mind listening to the same Beatles cd on repeat for the entire trip? whatever rando we drove back from psu a few years back can attest to me having such a requirement.
Its not a home game without hearing "lets go blue !" After a first down or "temptation" after a third down stop. What exactly is the issue? Even if the trip cost 250k to send the band its nothing relative to how much they are getting to play the game. Shit fundraisers between now and then to lighten the burden. I'm sure all the middle class fans will throw cash so we can feel the same atmosphere as a normal Saturday in Ann Arbor.
Those of us in the band were informed today that we are not going. Needless to say, I am very disappointed.
It's a very different story, but bands don't die you can't kill them and you can't stop them from coming. Band that wouldn't die Baltimore Colts. For some reason embed not working.
What if he has insider info that we will not score or get a first down or stop them on third ? to me this is a telltale sign that we will get annihilated !! Totally messing this is a complete and utter joke
Well, the MMB didnt attend the first two games of the 1989 Hoops Tournament, so maybe this sets up some good history repeats itself material
Stop trying to find a silver lining in this black cloud.
The organization for BB games is probably something other than the MMB, maybe operating under a title like "pep band."
I was at GA State U. at the time, and the GSU pep band was invited to play for free plus a hat and a shirt with the "M" logo (it wasn't "split.")
Despite my distaste at the fact that the UM pep band wasn't brought down for the games, I talked my friends in the GSU pep band into smuggling me in with them. I am a professional cellist, but I had 6 weeks experience on trombone from a summer class in Brass Methods, which was enough to get me through the trombone part to "The Victors (an M-fan-in-Diaspora's dream-come-true)" and "Tequila."
I eventually wore the hat and the shirt out.
Brandon will prob have them play on the big screen via skype
Too bad the Cowboys stadium is enclosed or else I'd just jetpack in to the middle of the field during halftime.
Brb, gotta go practice my jetpacking skills now. Who's gonna hold my batons?
Your posts vary between oddly erotic and worrisome that this is going end up like the opening of an episode of Criminal Minds.
That shit ain't right. Sh'aint right at all.
it was only kinda a home game for Alabama, now its is pretty much a home game for them...just move it to Bama and get a home and home series and get this Dallas shit out of here.
Exactly. What is the point of turning a home game into an away game? At least get a return home game out of it. Or have Alabama come play in Indianapolis next year or sonething like that.
We're getting the band back together!
What's next? Our pets' heads start falling off?
Somebody should start one of those MSA UPetitions or something at Change.org. Would DB listen to a few thousand signatures?
Also, I'm not the boy twirler... Sorry if I disappointed any of you.
A group of internet nerds has never been "disappointed" to learn they were talking to a girl. Terrified, maybe...
We already have WAY too many female MGoMembers. Oh well. Welcome to the blog.
Don't worry... I'll just sit here and look pretty.
I haven't had the opportunity to use that is about ten years... lol
Maybe one of those petitions specific to the University would be helpful? Like this one, for example, when students were upset about Governor Snyder giving the commencement speech last year:
That way students and alumni can use their uniqnames to sign something in order to express their distaste in this matter.
I'd rather go to this game than a bowl game. anyway if Alabama can bring their band, then we can.
...that Dominos got better after Dave Brandon left
"If I were you Mr Brandon Id go take a look at MGOBLOG right now..You have become very unpopular amongst many alumni and fans..This REEKS of money grubbing..Sometimes is about MORE than the money its about M I C H I G A N and a real Michigan man would KNOW that"
Im really pizzed about this...
I appreciate the conviction but I'd further appreciate grammar.
Is this a play on "pizza?"
think those tickets are for sale? that would be even more of a cash grab.
For what it's worth, @amgodd, a reliable source on twitter, tweets from board of regents meeting:
Andy @amgodd Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
Mary Sue Coleman permanently lost my respect today.
Andy @amgodd Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
Mary Sue Coleman steady hanging her head in shame at this Regents meeting.
Andy @amgodd Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
Mary Sue Coleman refusing to look student speakers in the eye. Shame on her and shame on the Regents.
We like you, MSC, and we know Brandon is making you the MAD DOLLAZ, but sooner or later, you're going to have to stand up to him and tell him that Michigan Athletics is MORE than a business. Once in a while, it'll be necessary to take a hit on something.
That's got nothing to do with this story. It's about some student/diversity protest.
how fucking expensive could it really to be to send 50-100 band members to texas? put em up in a motel 6, 4 to a room and give them taco bell
The thing is, it's actually sending like 300ish people to Texas. It normally takes 6 buses for everyone going on away trips.
To be clear, his tweets had nothing to do with the band. They were in reference to the movement for tuition equality.
Also I was there and Mary sue wasn't hanging her head and shame, she was being her typical asshole self and ignoring all the public commentary speakers. but that's a completely different story. I have supported db until this but god if this isn't a dick move money grab than nothing is
So Michigan is playing in the #1 non-conference, primetime game of the year. And we will not hear the victors all game? wtf Dave. wtf
Go Go Gadget Shepherd Checkbook.
How many bake sales and car washes do you think they need to have to afford the trip?
Depends on if the tubas wear their speedos or not ;)
The Michigan fans better sing their hearts out after touchdowns if the MMB doesn't go to Dallas. I hope the band goes, though. I wonder if the demand for tickets has DB wanting to sell those seats.
Complain to Mr. Brandon. I am sure he would really appreciate it. Seriously if you have a twitter go tweet to him and email to him. Make sure he understands that the football program is not his cash cow.
that shi cray
Ain't it Jay?
Easy now guys, Dave Brandon obviously took this into consideration when HE SCHEDULE THE FUCKING GAME. Can you imagine Denard scoring on a 70 yard running play in the first quarter and The Victors isn't playing? Great way to open the season. Hope you take the money you save and take your family out to a nice dinner at a restaurant the rest of us can't afford, Dave.
P.S. All of your jersey and mascot ideas are stupid and your pizza sucks.
time to piss Dave Brandon the hell off. Letters. Tweets. Snail mail. Everything.
maybe if they didnt spend so much money putting down turf at elbel they would have had the budget for this..........and i could still play roller hockey there
Well, it's not "new turf." It's recycled turf that was previously used in Michigan Stadium because the black asphalt was terrible for our knees and ankles... Go play in the road.
Not having the band will also seemingly diminish the presence of the Michigan fanbase a lot, I'm guessing. Bama is going to be there in full force and we don't want this to seem like any less of a 'neutral' site than it already is.
168 posts and nothing from Bando Calrissian? Dammit I want the 5 minutes I spent skimming the posts back.
Maybe Brian would not mind donating some of that HTTV paper to the Help The Band Make it to Dallas fundraiser... No
Clap clap clapclapclap
majorly pissed off.
What to go, Daayyyy-ve!
By the way, has there ever been a football game where the Michigan band didn't travel? Is this a first?
no there are some games they don't travel for. i went to chicago for the northwestern game, and they didn't come. i think that was more about lack of seating, since their stadium isn't very big.
If you have twitter, please tweet #MMBtoDallas to try to get the topic trending. Thanks!
This is a bunch of horseshit. Fuck this game and venue. Have it at Michigan or in alabama, or don't have it at all.
This is absolutely unacceptable. We give up a home game, and we don't even get the band there?
WTF Dave Brandon?
One of the big things that sold me on the game was the event aspect of it for the players. I feel pretty stupid because the athletic department clearly doesn't see it that way.
Unless, pure genius, he gets MGoBlog to pay for the MMB!
David Does Dallas. In this episode David Brandon screws the entire Michigan Marching Band.
I love this post. Very, very clever!
And I agree completely with the sentiment. Brandon's a dick.
Let me see if I get this right:
Sell a home game and replace with Cowboy Classic, it will be like a bowl game. Next, tell the band they are not going, so now it's basically a road game. In the end, Brandon screwed the UM for a $4.7 million road game.
hell, I live in Dallas and I'll open up my house to a few band members if the school is too cheap to pick up the tab.
Okay, I'll be there!
about petitions or tweets or outraged fans or the MGoBlogosphere, not to mention the students in the Michigan Marching Band. He cares about money in very, very large amounts, and caters to and hangs out with people who have money in very, very large amounts. The only thing that will change this decision is if enough of those people who have lots of money complain to him when they encounter him in the Chop House during the desserts and brandy. I wouldn't hold my breath, though.
This is overwhelmingly ignorant. What inside info do you have that qualifies any of your statements? How much time have you spent around Dave Brandon? Are you sure he dines at the Chop House?
What do you do for a living, Don? I'd like to make some generalizations and uninformed comments about your job as well. Please advise.
You must have money in very, very large amounts.
While it may be ignorant and brash... I agree with the emotions here 100%. Seriously only a real piece of shit sinks the bands right to be there!
The band should be there. I don't disagree with you. But to insinuate Dave Brandon puts money above best interests of the Athletic Department is laughable.
Brandon, like all of you, has a job to do and is attempting to do it to the best of his ability. He has many different interests to please. Decisions aren't made in the AD based on one single variable. Armchair ADs like yourself have it way easier than those who are actually in charge.
So you are likening the void of the band to laying off say 500 people? Don't dramatize this into something its not. That band is michigan football, period. No discussion. What the fuck are we fighting for every saturday? Tradition. And as far as im concerned this is a neutral site game as billed, and if their band is going to be there, ours sure as hell better be. Im sick of this crying wolf about revenue. Song of the poor is always the rich mans game. I do well for myself and dont expect a free ride but get real. It wont be cheap to get there and back as im going to do. I expect my monies worth.
is laughable? I think that he regards money to be THE best interest of the Athletic Department. I don't disagree with you that he has a tough job, and I don't disagree with all of his decisions. However, he's made it perfectly clear from the beginning that he is hell-bent on maximizing every revenue stream he possibly can; if he wasn't, he wouldn't have banned the bringing in of water bottles in favor of forcing fans to buy bottled water. He wouldn't have greatly increased ticket prices for basketball games to the point where long-time season ticket holders whose seats have been near the court are now forced to either pony up large boxes of cash to remain where they have been, or accept seats much further away. The wealthy fans can afford to come up with the cash.
So you're saying that you need "inside info" before you are able to conclude that David Brandon's decisions are heavily influenced by the opinions—and cash—of very wealthy UM alumni and donors, and that the concerns of average fans of every age bracket are somewhat less important in comparison?
As far as the Chop House goes, It's been well known for quite a while that it's a frequent dining location for bigwigs in the UM athletic department, including coaches and former players. Bo used to eat there before he passed. I'd say that the chances that David Brandon has never eaten there approach zero.
I'm a graphic designer, by the way, so take your best shot, Mrs. Brandon.
This is seriously tangential but I will report that the one time I ran into DB eating out he was at Olga's. OLGA'S
this has officially become a road game. not having the band in attendance butchers the experience.
This really pisses me off!
I don't think Brandon considered the players view on this. Do you honestly think the players don't want the band there? I want to hear The Victors in cowboy stadium and this really upsets me. Yet we'll pay more for our tickets next year and they don't have enough for them in the budget. Unbelievable.
Recently news has broken concerning the Michigan Marching Band and the 2013 opening game to the college football season between Michigan and Alabama. It is news that clouds what would otherwise be a banner day for the Michigan brand.
As you have stated numerous times, a key tenet of running the athletic department is to push "the brand". This game in Cowboys Stadium is just as much about allowing other parts of the country to experience the Michigan football "brand" as it is about playing the game. But what is Michigan football - indeed, what is Michigan athletics - without the Michigan Marching Band?
It is the Michigan Marching Band that fuels a passionate student fan base in Yost Ice Arena for every Michigan hockey game. It was the Michigan Marching Band that begun numerous storied traditions in college sports and music, including introducing That School Down South to the script OHIO and being the first band awarded the Sudler Trophy. The Michigan Marching Band have consistently proven themselves to be an excellent group of ambassadors for the Michigan "brand" abroad. These are but a few of the countless reasons why it makes no sense, financially or otherwise, to leave them out of the Michigan/Alabama game. And with Alabama's band allowed to be present, the omission is all the greater.
I sincerely hope that you, or whomever is responsible for this decision, reconsiders the position. As a born-and-bred Michigan faithful since my birth in 1983, I have never felt that anything that truly defined Michigan was in danger. No band at what will be one of the biggest regular season Michigan football games ever will severely shatter my faith and love of the Maize and Blue. The recent installation of "Victors Points", increase in piped-in pop music, and considerations of a mascot have already begun to erode the Michigan tradition - the very "brand" you are rightfully trying to spread. To follow those recent changes and concerns up with the loss of the Michigan Marching Band at the football program's biggest public stage of the year would be a critical blow to the game, to fans' faith, to the program, and to the "brand" itself. Only good things can stem from the band being present at Cowboys Stadium; only negative things can occur without them.
Thank you for your time.
So who the fuck is going to play Hail to the Victors???
DB has instead paid for Pop Evil to make the trip. After each touchdown, they'll RAWK out the Victors.
What's the cost to bring the band? I bet it's over a quarter, maybe a half mill or so. That's a considerable amount of dough, yo.
Its got to be in the half million range, about as much as it cost the AD to pay for 13 full rides for the new men's lacrosse team. People here love the band, but that is a ton of cash to fly down a group.
HEY YOU GUYS, there's one thing we're forgetting here... JUMBOTRON.
Who needs the marching band at the game when you can slap them on that giant TV as they do their thing at the Big House. Now we can keep ALL the $$$$$$
I was thinking along the lines of a holographic band Coachella style
FYI, it's a joke.
The band goes where the team goes.
FYI, mine was a joke too.
And apparently, sadly they do not.
I'm all for the #MMBtoDallas hashtag, but #greatboobs is trending, which is also pretty cool.
They don't take the entire football team on away games either, do they?
If as someone posted in one of the band-related threads the AD offered to pay to bus the band in, if the band wants to fly, perhaps they could work out a way to come up with the difference.
Seriously. I sent Brandon an email in support of this decision.
Talked it over with my wife. If the band isn't going, then neither are we. Looks like I just saved a boat load of money.
We came to that decision tonight as well. Its so deflating to even talk about. 4.7 million. Seriously? What a joke of a decision.
I think I have my trumpet from 8th grade I can bring. Who's in for a fan band?
This is fucking bullshit.
I've ranted about Brandon here before. He is not the good shepherd of the Michigan Athletic Department. He's a self-centered, ego-driven dick who, despite having worn a Michigan uniform, does not have a clue about what Michigan fans want, or who we are.
He has created a staff of marketers that weren't needed in the first place, and he's given them all something to do - screw up the hallowed traditions of Michigan football as much as possible.
Some of us say he does it for the money. I say he does it to feed his massive ego. He wants to go down as Michigan's big innovator. Well, he can't. That man was Don Canham.
Instead of good, big ideas, he's all about the trimmings, the foo-foo stuff of having Michigan play in Dallas as though that's somehow better than the Big House. It isn't. The Big House is the best football stadium in America. That's where a Michigan home game is played.
Brand = bullshit.
Someone here wrote a respectful letter, as though the man cares. He needs a lot of letters that say, "What are you thinking, dickhead?"
All: forgive me for being so old fashioned, but they have these things called telephones we might make use of. mgoblue.com lists DB's (such appropriate initials) phone number as 734-764-9416. MSC's number, for good measure, is 734-764-6270. Perhaps a few days of fielding angry phone calls will catch their attention.
Needless to say, we gotta get our new twirler MGoMember to Dallas...
Just left a message on his voicemail.
I just my polite message for mr DB.... I about shit my pants when it really was his number!!!! Time to blow up the message machine because it's not full if I could leave a message!!!!! Let's go boys
on voicemail for both DB and MSC at those #'s listed a few posts back. And yes, those are legitimate #'s. Brandon's bone-headed decision deserves every bit of protest we can muster and then some; so far, besides those voicemails, I've also tweeted Brandon and emailed my protests to the Athletic Dept. website.
There are many traditions associated with U of M, and one is the tradition of protest and social activism. Nothing would be more appropriate than to see campus-wide protests in support of the MMB until DB and MSC reverse course and decide to send the Band.
This is something State would do and we would all laugh at them. Sad day in Michigan athletics
First off, MSU doesn't have one-tenth of the tradition or brand recognition that Michigan has -- they will never even have the opportunity to play in a game of this magnitude, let alone have a similar situation with their marching band.
Besides that, this is a very important game for our program. National television, two top-ten teams, two BCS contenders, and most importantly, two very proud programs. It's embarrassing to not have the MMB there, as "The Victors" (amongst other elements of our tradition the band carries) is an essential part of what Michigan represents. It's a NEUTRAL site game -- if Alabama has their band there, we better too.
Brandon scheduled this game to cash in, and ironically, he points to the budget for not bringing the band along. If we are going to sacrifice a legitimately priceless Saturday at Michigan Stadium to watch Michigan play a game like this, and I wouldn't mind doing so otherwise, we better do it right; not on the cheap.
This is what happens when you appoint an asshole Republican to the head of anything.
They run whatever they're head of as if it were a purely profit-seeking business venture.
this kind of... doesnt bother me at all.
In 1980, the band was not sent to the Notre Dame game. We lost it on the last-second Harry Oliver miracle field goal. The next week at a pep rally on the steps of Rackham Auditorium, Bo stood before the crowd--his jaw jutted out in that defiant way--and spit out the words, "The next time I go into a war, I want my band with me!!!" Send the MMB to Dallas when Michigan HOSTS Alabama! The Team, the Team, the Team!
I was ready to cut and paste your fb status on here, but I'm happy to see that you think it's also worth posting on MGoBlog. This is terrible, do you have any insider info on this debaucle? Many of us are still having a hard time wrapping our heads around this.
DB makes yet another completely cunty decision. This is starting to become a trend.
Obviously, I can't guarantee this but I just have a feeling that someone will pay for the band to go. If I recall correctly, when OSU went to Texas or USC a few years ago, an anonymous donor stepped up to pay the band's costs.
I would hope that we have as generous a donor somewhere out there! Calling Stephen Ross!!
If Bama can afford to send their band I'm sure we can as well.
Its all about the $$$ to DB. Pathetic. This is MICHIGAN FERGODSAKES
Looks like an opportunity for another MMB (Major Michigan Benefactor) to step up and send the band.
historical hype video containing clips of Bo and Bear
Picturing Chevy Chase's rant to his stingy boss at the end of Christmas vacation.
@nickbaumgardner: Michigan band received letter today from Dave Brandon informing they will be heading to Dallas for the 2012 FB opener