ND would be the most underwhelming team to play in the BCS Championship that I can remember. Thinking about our game with them this year.....what could have been
A Bama-ND BCS Championship Game?
Was just as underwhelming
They hung with Miami, they were a better team than the '07 group who accomplished nothing.
For some reason I was thinking of the 2006 Ohio team, even though the post clearly refers to 2007. My mistake.
I remember us turning the ball over 6 times. Surely, you can't blame them for that?
I also don't give them a ton of credit for those 6 turnovers. Taking one or two of those red zone turnovers away would have helped us out a lot, but it is what it is.
Shoulda coulda woulda. We won in 2011 because of their turnovers, they won this year because of ours.
Their defense is good, but we gift-wrapped some of those turnovers. And I refuse to give their D credit for those.
Watching that game I couldn't help but feel like it was karma for all of the good luck we've had for the past three years.
I hate ND.
2. Wait a little while. Oregon is tied at the half and K-State has scored 10 unanswered. There's a lot of football to be played yet.
Are you kidding me?
You realize K-State just has to beat this Baylor team to make it to Miami, right? And Oregon always struggles to start games but finishes them strong in the 2nd half. I would bet my life that neither K-State nor Oregon loses tonight. Oregon is also going to kill Oregon State and UCLA... As for ND, they are really good and USC is not very good at all. USC has been overhyped since the start of the season and it's pissing me off... they're terrible. ND will roll them. It's Oregon v. KSU in the national championship game, and that's a lock.
K-State also have to beat Texas next week, no?
Yeah sorry, this was their last road test, I mistakenly confused it with it being their last game. Doesn't matter because Texas is bad.
Oregon does not struggle to start games. They regularly run out to an uncatchable lead and rest the starters by late in the 3rd quarter.
You haven't watched Oregon for the last two weeks have you? Both against USC and UCLA they had very slow starts and then picked up the pace to roll.
And you haven't watched Oregon the rest of the year. I also think you mean against Cal and Stanford. Oregon hasn't played UCLA and against USC Oregon scored 14 1st quarter points and 20 in the second - not a slow start. Even against Cal is a stretch because they still had 14 1st quarter points en route to 24 points in the 1st half.
Basically you're saying Oregon starts slowly because they have struggled in this one game against Stanford.
ND hasn't rolled anyone with a pulse yet this year. Last time the media was singing ND's praises was after they beat OK and they went out and nearly lost to Pitt.
...ND rolled Oklahoma (in Norman!), who has a pulse.
The game was tied with 5 minutes left. Just because they tacked on a nothing TD at the end doesn't mean they rolled them
They held Oklahoma to 15 yards rushing. Keep trying with the excuses though.
And they bear Stanford, which is a good football team. ND deserves what it is getting, but it will get spanked by Alabama, which will be great.
A win is a win and all teams require luck to go undefeated. The Irish might not have thrashed everyone they've played, but they do have one of the strongest schedules to date and have WON every game. Doesn't matter how it happens, they've won every game.
It matters to anyone with a triple digit IQ and who cares about rankings having something to do with how good a team actually is. Squeaking by multiple teams with losing/.500-ish records does not bode well in a NC game.
You mean like KSU did to IowaSt? We also didn't play any FCS teams. Come on guys, whats going to be the excuse when we win it all?
what a faustian thing to say... don't answer the door & whatever you do don't sign any contracts from suspicious characters...
you're about 20 minutes away from looking extremely foolish.
Yeah. I agree.
you apparently are losing your life.
...don't bet your life bro.
That said, after seeing K state and Oregon, what makes ND so bad?
Bama would crush them though.
Prevail and Ride already has this covered:
[WARNING: AS USUAL, NSFW. ALTHOUGH TO BE HONEST THE DICKS ARE MINIMAL IN THIS ONE]
This seems really early to already call these games. Especially Oregons offense and any team vs a Baylor defense
But the shamrock is goin down next week to a wounded USC team. Can't wait to see it too...
Since we played ND, would them losing lower our SOS and potentially hurt us in the computer rankings? Maybe it doesn't matter since they beat us?
...as much as I'd like to see ND lose and miss out on the National Championship game, would it not improve our chances at a BCS at-large berth (assuming Nebraska wins out, of course)? We have to remember not to follow in some other teams' footsteps...we can't hate our rival more than we love our own team, just doesn't make sense. In other words, we should cheer for ND if it improves our shot at a BCS berth, no matter how much we hate them (assuming it would in fact help us...otherwise: to hell with Notre Dame.)
What ND does really has no consequence to us BCS wise. We want Oregon and Kansas St to win so they got auto bids not at large bids
Even with tonight's loss doesn't K State still win the Big 12 by beating Texas? If they lose to Texas doesn't seem like they'd be a real option for an at large bid. Long way to say, K State loss tonighty doesn't really matter to us.
It would help us get closer to top 14 in BCS if K State beats Texas. However, the Stanford win over Oregon makes it less likely M gets there anyway.
I think ND chokes next week regardless of this week's outcome.
With knowledge of future information, I think Oregon will pull this one out.
No dumbass you are wrong. After you fall asleep Stanford wins it in OT!
Alabama repeating or ND winning it all. If oregon and ksu go down tonight I might lose my mind.
Beat Ohio! That's all that matters now.
Root for West Virginia right now?
...it would be beneficial for Oklahoma to lose (WVU) as well as Stanford (Oregon), Oregon St (Cal), and Texas (Thurs, TCU). We already will jump two spots thanks to losses by Louisiana Tech and USC. So officially, two down and five to go.
This is why I was rooting for Bama last week. You just knew one of them would blow it. KSU and Oregon may still pull it out, but they are mentally unprepared tonight and it doesn't look like KSU especially is going to hold up. I could put up with SEC talk for a long time over ND talk.
And I doubt that ND being 12-0 or 11-1 is going to do anything to our computer ranking. Don't the computers already like us? Besides that, I doubt a 9-3 Michigan team ranked 14th would get an at large this year with as bad as the B1G is. But you never know I guess.
Based on the number of SEC teams in the top 14 and factoring in Autobids...only 1 non-SEC top 14 team wont make a BCS game (as it stands). So...they're probably in if they crack 14.
Alright. I still fail to see how the ND game next week will affect that at all. There can't be that much of a change in computer rankings.
Notre Dame's chances for a win next weekend got a lot better.
I think my high school played better defense than Kansas State.
I'm sorry, but there's no way a roster chock full of 3-stars remains unbeaten and number 1 in the nation. Colin Klein is good. Very good. But it's tough to go unbeaten.
The two must insufferable fan bases in the world. This must not happen.
Looks like it's going to happen. Fuck it all.
Either of those teams going to the national title game would be a nightmare for me, especially Notre Dame.
As the refs were gift wrapping that win for ND over a crappy Pitt team and the announcers were saying this ND team was a team of destiny, I literally wanted to bang my head against the wall. If they go to the title game....GOD, I can't even think about it.
So far a defensive game with a ton of turnovers (fumbles, INTs).
Still believe they will lose to USC
I hope so. But USC has forgotten how to play defense.
I'd accept it and be OK. Considering my father grew up on the south side of Chicago an Italian catholic in the 1950s it would mean more to him than it would to me. Since I've seen the enjoyment of him catching his first musky of his lifetime recently i may actually enjoy the mnc game.
One was Irish and the other Italian. As a result I don't have the hate that most UM fans do. ND meant a lot to Catholics for a long time in this country when anti-Catholicism was rampant.
But i do think Kelly is a douche as a person.
Can't expect too much.
Beat up the lousy nonconference teams, win one big one, make it into the top two, and then lay and big fat deuce to an unranked foe. It will all hold serve if they're shut out of the BCS, gripe about it, and then lose to Purdue in the Weedeater Bowl.
If it wasn't for you meddling kids.
When did nd become a physical team? Last year they were no where near where they are know. Oregon not tough, Alabama definitely, k state so so. Of the four teams up there nd is right there with bama. By the wt NCAA officiating is just plain awful this year.
Would anyone give the fighting amish a chance against bama?
Give Saban a month to game plan, and he will destroy the Irish.
ND over Oregon if it happens.
Notre Dame about to become the new #1.
I'd imagine K State falls a lot. Not sure how far Oregon falls, but ESS EEE CEE could be 2,3, 4, 5, 6 and 7. So, either we get ND vs. ESS EEE CEE or ESS EEE CEE vs. ESS EEE CEE in NCG. Ugh!
No way those teams should be ranked that high. Oregon's loss was better than Alabama's so they should be number two.
Holy shit....this might actually be happening
how did that guy miss it
Hopefully ND loses next week. So we've lost to what looks to be the #1 and #2 team in the country, plus a top 15 on the road at night without our QB.
If ND wins the NC they will be the luckiest team all time. God that would suck. Wish Oregon would win, tired of the SEC as well. Sucks that the rest of the top 10 is all SEC.
and the least deserving BCS champ ever. Beat Ohio!
These kind of sucky things happen to my life all of the time. I'm gonna let sailor Jerry's take me away to my happy place now...FUCK
Notre Dame versus an SEC team in the NC.
OMFG, what could be worse.
If ND happens to lose (seems unlikely), then NCG will almost certainly be SEC vs. SEC. Might not be worse the ND vs. SEC, but isn't a whole lot better.
Ok, Bama over ND
RETURN TO GLORY
WE ARE ND
STIR UP THE ECHOS
Slobberin' Lou is smiling somewhere. Damnit fuck CFB this year.
And were forced to roll out a green quarterback in a winnable game. Just had to put the egocentric spin on this.
And were forced to roll out a green quarterback in a winnable game. Just had to put the egocentric spin on this.
I'm sure this has been said before, but here's our current season: only losses to
The #1 team in the country (at the time) in Alabama
The #1 team in the country (currently) in Notre Dame
A team that we played the entire game against with our (now) 3rd string QB.
And we aren't even going to get a spot in the national title.
We aren't even going to get a shot at the Big Ten Legends Division title.
If we BEAT OHIO and end up tied with Nebraska (assume Iowa doesn't pull out miracle win and Nebraska goes to B1G CG on tie breaker) do we technically end up with a share of the B1G Legends Division title? While this would be pretty hollow, it would at least be a little something.
Bama was #2 at the time.
(Course, then that may give us an all SEC National Championship game all over again.)
Fuck it all.
In light of the KSU and Oregon losses, I pray to any/all deities - please, please don't let the Irish play for the NC.
Go Trojans! (yeah, like that's gonna work).
ND loses, doesn't get to the title game, and still gets Oregon in a BCS bowl game for their troubles.
Not going to happen. We'd likely get KSU in the Fiesta, or a date in the Sugar. Oregon v. Nebraska.
Oregon won't be in the Rose Bowl; they need Stanford to lose this week to be PAC-12 champs. So they'll get a BCS at large. If Bama goes first, the Sugar has first pick. Do they go with ND or another SEC team for tradition (since they didn't have one last year, and don't have the title game there)? If they pass on ND then ND goes to whoever loses their 2nd choice, if there is one (Oregon wouldn't be champ but could get in...or another SEC team). If there isn't one, they'll go to the Fiesta to bolster the ratings of playing KSU with the first pick. If they end up in the Sugar it depends on who they get with their second pick, which might be the 2nd best SEC team.....or yes, Oregon. (Though I can see the Fiesta taking them as another west coast team).
They don't even have the inside track on the Rose Bowl.
At least KSU lost. If ND got a title shot vs. them it would have been criminal.
I will put the money on Bama thank you very much. Don't even care what the spread is.
Suddenly it looks almost possible. Oregon just lost.
That means Notre Dame will be #1 on Monday. Holy Jesus god no.
Once the M and MSU games ended, this day couldn't have gone worse. Minnesota, Baylor, and Stanford are dead to me. We now have a choice of ND vs SEC and SEC vs SEC. I hate everything.
But still....Beat Ohio.
I should clarify. Wisconsin died for me last year.
Indiana and Purdue have also made the list this season.
This is the worst I've ever felt after a Michigan win. Barkley had better come back next weekend.
I felt worse after we beat Minnesota but Sparty choked against Nebraska and Pitt did the same against Notre Dame.
Or we beat NW in overtime but Penn State was choked against Nebraska.
A few hours ago I was enjoying a great win and daring to hope that Ohio would lose to an average Wisconsin team. Oh what a difference a few hours make.
So, our 2 of our 3 losses came against #1 and #2. I'd say we have an excellent shot of making the top 14 and an at-large bid if we can beat a certain unbeaten team next week.
I think our shot at a BCS game took a serious hit tonight with the Oregon loss. We really need UCLA to beat Stanford.
If UCLA does not beat Stanford next week
- Those two teams will match up a week later in the PAC12 CG with the winner going to the Rose Bowl and being ranked ahead of M.
- Also, Oregon plays Oregon State next week. If Oregon wins, they almost certainly will get an at-large BCS bid. If Oregon State wins, then both Oregon and Oregon State stay above us and hurt our chances to get to top 14.
Ah jeeze. I had a diary halfway done talking about Michigan's BCS chances but I'm so disgusted by the thought of a Notre Dame - Alabama championship game that I don't even want to finish it. Hmm... the team that looked like we had no business even being on the field with versus the team that we gift-wrapped 6 turnovers to and still only lost to by seven. That's going to be a close game.
Alabama's going to win another national championship and we're going to have to listen to those SEC jerkoffs for another year.
Or somehow, someway, Notre Dame pulls off the upset and we're going to have to listen to those Notre Dame jerkoffs for another decade.
I honestly don't know which would be worse.
Michigan's outside shot at an at-large bid just went up in smoke with the Stanford and Oklahoma wins. The only reasonable chance was for everyone in the PAC-12 besides Oregon to lose four or more games and the Big 12 besides KSU to lose three or more and drop behind Michigan in the rankings. Now the at large bids will be Notre Dame, Clemson, SEC #2, and Oregon/Stanford/Oklahoma/Texas/KSU.
Bid for New Year's Day game in to-be-named dumpy Florida city against random SEC powerhouse is locked in.
Agree. Even if things play out perfectly in the PAC12 (UCLA beats Stanford and Oregon beats Oregon State next week and then Oregon beats UCLA in the PAC 12 CG). It seem likely that Stanford would stay ahead of us and therefore signficantly lessen our chances of getting to top 14.
If Oregon had taken care of business tonight, M could have conceivable ended up ahead of Stanford, Oregon State and UCLA.
Sucks to be Oregon. They went from the NC to not even winning the Pac12 North.
No National Championship game. No Rose Bowl.
Oregon and Stanford both have one loss - Stanford lost to Washington.
Stanford plays UCLA next weekend and Oregon plays Oregon St. If Stanford wins, they go to the title game. If Stanford loses and Oregon wins, Oregon goes to the title game. If both teams lose, I'd guess Stanford goes cause it would be a 3 way tie between Oregon, OSU and Stanford and Stanford beat them both.
If Stanford wins they play UCLA two weeks in a row.
The beauty of it all: if the dipshit administration at OSU had decided to sanction themselves and forego a bowl last year, they probably would be in control of their own destiny to get to the BCS champ game now
We'll do them the favor of eliminating that unpleasant thought from their minds next week.
That's really important. In the event that they beat us and ND loses to 'bama in the national championship, they would likely try and claim some sort of share of the title, which we obviously can't have.
So if ND loses does it become an all SEC championship somehow?
yup. After the three unbeatens as of this morning, the SEC had the next 6 spots. Somebody will lose the SEC champship game and drop a bit, but there'll be 5 more teams waiting to be picked.
Of those 6 only Florida has a shot. Oregon, Kansas St. and FSU would all have a shot if FSU takes doown Florida next week at home.
we'd be the only thing in between an Ohio-Notre Dame title game
Or we would be looking at a chance for an Ohio-ND national championship game.
ED: beat to the punch
The SEC vs SEC stuff is not likely to happen. Possible, but not likely. First you have to see how far Oregon drops. One loss and it was in overtime. Yes there are 6 SEC teams sitting in the top 10, but LSU, Tex A&M and S.Car all have 2 losses so they are out. Alabama/Georgia will knock one out. That leaves Florida, who would have to win at FSU with what looks like a backup QB. Facing an FSU team that depending on where Oregon falls, could be a ND loss away from the national title game.
FSU probably beats UF next week. If USC beats Notre Dame, then I think we end up with Oregon (if they beat OR St. next week) vs. SEC champ. If Oregon loses that game or the Pac 12 championship, then the next team in line would be KSU or FSU.
Throw Stanford beating UCLA next week (which btw sets up a rematch the next week in the PAC 12 CG) on top of the FSU over UF and USC over ND scenario and Oregon gets to NC game even through they didn't make their own conference CG (a la Alabama the year before). The BCS is ridiculus.
Could Florida lose to FSU? Could SC lose to Clemson? Georgia loses to Bama? ND loses to USC? Oregon beats a possibly unranked team for the Pac12 championship? There is no Big12 Championship. This could be a huge final week ratings shuffle where the computers make us all go WTF?
A four team playoff can't come here soon enough. Eight would be even better.
I can't see ESPN allowing another all SEC title game. That was a disaster. Considering what they pay for the rights they had to have a lost a huge amount of money on that last year. Don't discount the Ducks. Wait and see how far they fall. They get Oreg St. next week and if UCLA beats Stanford at home UCLA in 2 weeks time.
clinched the south title today. They're in the championship game no matter what happens when they play Stanford.
Here's what would be great.
- Stanford beats UCLA
- Oregon beats Oregon State (one loss Oregon doesn't go to PAC 12 CG).
- ND loses.
- GT beats Georgia,
- UF beats FSU
- Georgia beats Alabama (in SEC CG).
At that point I think the NC game is Oregon v. Florida (neither of which went to their own conference championship game).
Obviously, pretty far fetched, but would be a glorious demonstration of the stupidity of the system.
Actually there is zero chance they drop out of the top 10. They will slot in at number 5 just in front of Oregon. We all thought Alabama might have been dead last week. Its way to early to assume Oregon and Kansas St ared dead now.
If ND plays Bama for the National Championship, they will be playing 18-on-11 ball. Refs are human, and they would be caught up in the "Everything that's right about college football vs everything that's wrong about college football" hype. ND has gotten better as the year has progressed. Remember that they are still growing into the spread. I thought that they would lose against USC, but I'm not so sure now.
I detest the BCS and the fact that we are only going to get a four-team playoff next season so much that part of me is hoping for a "cluster" of six one-loss teams, with two making it in and the rest all feeling that they have a legitimate bitch against the system.
It would be hilarious if ND, Oregon, KSU, Bama, Florida, and Clemson could all finish with one loss, with Bama and Florida playing in the BCS "championship" game. Then, maybe every other conference in the country might get angry enough to ensure that champions only are allowed into a playoff, and would be smart enough to expand it to eight teams.
and as much as I hate OSU, I can honestly say i hate ND way worse than OSU. They are the biggest pack of whiners I've ever heard. Everyone complains how terrible the officiating is and how they got cheated every year since 1992. Now that they've lucked themselves into narrow and questionable wins vs. BYU, Stanford, Purdue, Michigan, and Pittsburgh.. All i hear is how hard their schedule is and why aren't they in the talk for national championship? it's such a snide university that even though Notre Dame is in South Bend..their campus has their own postal code and they consider themselves as Notre Dame, Indiana and disassociate with South Bend.
Be careful what you wish for, time for Bama to roll and ND to disappear back into the depths of irrelevance for another 20 years.
is that we're going to have to listen to those idiots down in Columbus try to claim a portion of the title.
Even after losing to us?
Not sure I get why you guys think Bama will roll ND, is it because they rolled you? This is a serious question. Bamas offense is not that good. 30th in rusing O, 70th in passing. NDs defensive strength is against the run.
Also, regardless of my hatred toward UM on gameday, you'd bet your ass that if positions were reversed I would be all over you guys beating the SEC. Helps everyone not in the SEC, shuts up the SEC idiots as well.
The 3 first round picks on the offensive line might have something to do with it. Those offensive stats are very misleading. Most of Bama's games have been over at the half or after the 3rd quarter. Not that this matters for the BCS at this point, but OK's performance yesterday against West Virginia yesterday makes beating OK look not that impressive at all.
For the following reasons:
- Bama's offensive line is good enough to consistently pick up the ND pass rush
- ND's secondary is the soft spot of their defense and Alabama's passing game is good enough to exploit that.
- ND's offense isn't anything to write home about
- Alabama's defense is...
- Saban >> Kelly
Going only by the win-loss column and just looking at the national stat numbers maybe you could make a case that ND has a chance, or will win. But I think if you like, actually watch the games, and dig a little deeper, it's obvious why bama should be pretty heavily favored.
ND and bama have 1 common opponent. Bama crushed us on a neutral site field. ND eeked out a win at home after we turned the ball over 6 (!) times. ND eeked out another win over a pathetic Purdue team. Took 3 overtimes to beat an extremely weak Pitt team. And barely edged an unranked BYU team that may be scrappy and good defensively but really shouldn't give a true #1 team much trouble.
Bama has rolled all similar opponents. Yes, they struggled in death valley against LSU, but are you seriously going to ding them for that? They had one loss where they were sleep walking at the beginning of the game, and the guy many have as their #1 Heisman candidate pulled a crazy win out. Such is life.
But come on man, get serious here.
I remember when I first read this thread and agreed with other posters that the timing was too early as both games were at halftime. Now the original poster looks like a genius. Maybe be could get a prediction on the National Championship game itself?
Also, does Michigan beat Ohio next week?