i refuse to even consider this a possibility
Balanced, rational and non-biased reporting on the coaching situation for a change - And look where it's from!
it looks like we posted this at the same time. LOL that is pretty funny!
Fuck me with a spoon..you really are not joking.. I would rather sandpaper my fucking balls than continue this conversation with you..
your an asshole. All I was stating was that we posted it at the same time and that the video was funny and I am not 14 I am a grown man with a family. I dont appreciate the rude comments directed towards me for no reason.
depends what grade and who is doing the rubbing.
Sorry DG, I didn't watch the whole video so I thought you were refering to me, but I saw that guy post something about 13-14 year olds so that didn't help out. I just watched that whole video through.
That is about the level of discourse with most 13-14 year old teenagers, i.e. 90% of most college football fans whose heads are in the clouds.
As a former teenage boy, I can tell you that all teenage boys are idiots. You will agree when you are no longer one. I was told this as a teenager and it angered me. Now, as I realize its truth, I pass it on.
The guy did a great job with that. It is ok in this case to think that we could do better with a more secure future, but still allowing for the possibility to retain Rich if it falls through. Thanks for sharing.
Yes. No one seems to be thinking about it that way. Everyone is taking a side, pro-RR or con-RR. This is the crux of the issue. I think this is the one chance Michigan may have to get Harbaugh if they want him. Do they want to bring a former prodigal son home? I'm not even sure how I feel at this point, as I have been pro-RR all along, but the thought of a Harbaugh led Michigan program intrigues me.
You and I both. I was just really impressed the way he summed up the pros and cons of the situation such a concise manner. And it's hard to argue his points.
Amazing what actual journalism looks like isn't it?
But if Harbaugh is ready to leave Stanford, for another college or NFL job, this may be Michigan's one chance.
That's the rub with Harbaugh. He's a hot name for multiple jobs. He could be gone this year, next year and I'd be shocked if was still at Stanford in 3 years. I feel a lot of the attractiveness of Harbaugh is he's an easy move. Declare the RR Era a failure, end it, hire him. Done.
If next year we have another poor performance and it becomes painfully clear RR has to go but Harbaugh is in the NFL or in his first year at some big name program and just settling in, who is our out?
And Brady Hoke will probably be off the market next year, too. We can hope that defensive coordinator #3 is the charm for RR (and that special teams get figured out somehow, too), or we can strike while the iron's hot here.
We cannot have a coaching/philospohy change in two years with Alabama, Nebraska, and tOSU on the menu!
When what you're doing isn't working, it hardly makes sense to keep the coaching you have. We aren't exactly tearing it up against OSU as it is.
Subtle set up for a 'Michigan Fails To Land Harbaugh' piece if you ask me.
That same resume just layed out for Harbaugh was been made for Rich Rod 3 years ago. I honestly don't know what way I lean it's a crap shoot either way.
I know the term Michigan Man is somewhat BS, but with his pedigree Harbaugh instantly gets 5 years at Michigan. Played QB for us, is from a family of good coaches, played under Bo, etc. If Harbaugh comes in and has the same record as RR did in three years*, the people ready to lynch RR after three years will be saying "Even Bo said it took time to build a program" as opposed to signing up for a bulk discount at AA Torch and Pitchfork.
*Which he won't, lots of young talent on the shelf for him.
If we keep RR everyone in the world will know it is on a trial basis for one year. So how do we attract a top DC to a program that might undergo a total staff change in a year? What about recruits when people like Saban, Tressel or Meyer can say "I'll be here for all four years for you. RR might be gone in less than 12 months." No matter what happens, this whole "I just after the bowl game" from DB is an admission RR is on the hot seat and might find himself fired.
While not doubting RR's on field abilities in the least I think you can wonder if the off the field climate makes program stability difficult.
Truth be told, Harbaugh has yet to win any BCS bowl games (or any bowl games at all). RR's West Virginia record was very, very good.
What I want to avoid is have RR, the program, the team, recruits, the fans, and my soul-dong twisting in the wind for a month until this is all resolved.
The resume may be similar and Rrod's pre-Michigan resume may be more impressive, but we also have 3 more years of data on Rrod and his 3 years coaching here are way more relevant than anything he did prior to his arrival at Michigan.
As I said from the beginning, RR was the best coach from the worst conference. His style worked in the Big East ... so far not in the B10. Some like to refer to the OU game when WV waxed them ... but I really don't see that as much different than Boise State ... in terms of the lack of week to week competition. Its a one game crap shoot ... and the truly best TEAM doesn't always win.
It is looking like UConn will win the Big East this year and play in a BCS game. What more proof does anyone need that the Big East is and has been weak ! I would even say that IU and Purdue could challenge for the upper tiers of the Big East.
Harbaugh won't stay at Stanford when other big programs come calling. I also believe that a really good coach works with his existing talent. When RR lost Mallett and Manningham and Arrington because he was going to change the system to the spread ... well who knows. I think Harbaugh would still use Denard - and god knows we do have better athletes than Stanford.
So if Harbaugh is ready to leave Stanford ... then I say go for him. If not then bring RR back ... but GERG still has to go.
Go Blue !
that Mallett and Arrington were 100% gone regardless of RR's hiring. I knew Arrington first-hand and he was planning on leaving for the NFL after that year anyway- all of his friends were in that class and he had no plans of catching balls from Threet/Sheridan...
... which he knew was going to be the case because Ryan Mallett was already set to transfer regardless of the circumstances. He grew up a Razorbacks fanatic, living in Texarkana- a town right near the border of Texas/Arkansas. The only reason he came to Michigan was that Mitch Mustain seemed entrenched as the starter and he had a good relationship with our QB coach.
When Mitch Mustain transferred to USC and Lloyd retired, the door was open for Ryan to move back home and take the job he always wanted. Also, he was quite immature at the time and had not made too many friends on the team. Michigan just wasn't the school for him and he has recently talked about this in an interview.
I DO agree, however, with your argument that good coaches do well with the players they have. RR is a good coach, in my opinion, but he definitely could have done a better job of working with what he had. Unfortunately that never would have included Mallett or Arrington under any circumstances.
I have one major question though...
would Harbaugh be able to keep Denard?
I say no.
Confirms what I had heard,
RR's West Virginia record was very, very good.
And Jeff Casteel played no small part in that.
and I would like to see a make or break 2011 for him. Does everyone realize that if he stays 2011 will be the first year that RRod has an upperclassman starter at QB at Michigan? Also, what happens when D Hart and J Hayes are here and we have a true threat at RB? All of that behind a veteran, deep O-line and returning all WRs.
Harbaugh's upside is undeniable. No one else has EVER won 11 games at Stanford. He is one of only 2 coaches that have a winning record against Pete Carroll (2-1). One of those wins came in his second season when USC was #1 and Stanford was a 41 point dog - that would be the biggest upset in the history of college football, people. Could that mean that he would give us a chance against OSU in his first year?
I don't think recruiting would suffer if we brought Harbaugh in; defensive recruiting may improve.
Also, it won't necessarily take 4 years for Harbaugh to turn it around in AA, just because it took that long at Stanford. The offense is loaded and he may show the flexibility to hire a spread OC to ease the transition.
I'm on the fence. I want to see a fully loaded RRod team play in AA, something we haven't seen yet. But if this is our only chance to get Harbaugh...
He started some didn't he? But I get your point.
Harbaugh was actually HC @ University of San Diego not SDSU, but I really don't expect any "research" from the MSM any longer. Why let facts get in the way?
FWIW, I've seen JH-enthusiasts here make the same mistake. Which makes sense. If Harbaugh hadn't coached there, few people here would have even heard of the University of San Diego or that they had a football team. But somehow whatever happened there has become more important than success as the I-A level, with teams we've actually heard of like Clemson and West Virginia.
Even stranger is that many seem to think that what RR did at WVU is more relevant than what he's done at Michigan.
I don't know that anyone actually thinks that. But you're awesome at this.
Harbuagh was hired. Point made was that he is faily young, 46. You don't think he would bolt to the NFL eventually? Then what? Brady Hoke?
if ever your head coach leaves for the nfl, it probably means that he was pretty damn successful. looking into the future, you take that.
this could, actually WAS, said about RR 3 years ago (except for Michigan connection).
But think about if Stanford coach and former Michigan quarterback Jim Harbaugh was named the coach today. His mixture of sizzle and substance, of national appeal and Michigan ties, of relative youth (he's 46) and experience (he's 57-27 in seven years as a head coach at San Diego State and Stanford) makes him an almost perfect candidate. When he walks in the door, doesn't Michigan become one of the 10 most intriguing programs in the country? Would anyone doubt his ability to both recruit and rally the entire Michigan community?
RR had youth, sizzle, substance, national appeal, experience and a better record than Harbaugh. RRs hire was intriguing, he was able to recruit players.
People act like a Harbaugh hire is a sure formula for success. There is no guarantee Jim will pick the right coordinators, recruit players that don't flop out or smash ankles, etc.
Exactly.. It seems everyone pro Harbaugh wants him just because he is a "michigan man" and that will make it all better, and supposedly win?
Other than that, the difference between him and RR are what?
RR leaves, players transfer( don't say they won't) we lose recruits, and if it is announced after the bowl game this recruiting class won't be much to talk about.
The whole BS brandon said about it not affecting recruiting is a joke
The difference between the two is pretty simple: RR, in many peoples' minds, has already failed. Harbaugh is not guaranteed to succeed, but it's looking likely that the guy currently in charge won't do so.
so we try to make the best decisions we can. The whole "Michigan Man" thing might be way overblown, OK, but you can't deny that at the college level tradition and mystique sell. A Michigan hero coming into a blue chipper's living room has a little more credibility to say "I understand our tradition, our rivalries, etc, and I want you to come and be a part of that."
Nearly every major D1 head coach was successful in their previous positions and half of them fail.
is Harbaugh testing the waters? I mean. . .
Players will leave, recruits will be lost, conditioning program turned upside-down, etc..another 3 years of ~6 wins, then success and and a MNC...then Jim leaves for the NFL.
RR wants to finish his career here...been on the record more than once with that. Give him a 4th year, but require a hands-off approach to the D. DB should be trolling his network to land the best DC in the country, rather than trying to land a 'sizzling' HC..
Whether you want to realize it or not, unless you, as a leader, can gel with your subordinates, your system won't be effective or even work. Its clear to me at least that the demeanor of the coaches seem weary, and its either frustration from a lack of execution or that their leader is making their jobs ten times more difficult by either undermining them or not having a clear vision for the whole program.
From some of the sideline shots during OSU game, the staff looks beat down and flat out demoralized. The transition may have take a serious toll on their ability to coach rationally and do the right things with scheme and talent evaluation.
Michigan has a coach right now
But until DB comes out and says something, do we really?
that Harbaugh coached. The only drawback of Harbaugh is my memories of Mike Ditka chewing him out almost every week in Chicago. I think if Ditka had to chew out Bo, well it wouldn't be B..
I'm surprised at the number of posters 'surprised' by the weight of Harbaugh's Michigan connections among the fan base. It's not just the Michigan connection; it's the Bo connection. Bo dies, Michigan loses to OSU in the biggest game of the decade (or so), the Horror, Carr's retirement, the Rodriguez era, etc. Harbaugh represents a return to the Bo era for many fans -- who probably also know that's an irrational attempt at nostalgia. The only way to cure the fractured fan base is to hire Harbaugh, or for Brandon (also a 'Michigan man') to stand loudly/clearly behind Rodriguez.
Something else that hasn't been mentioned -- in the past 3 years, Harbaugh's brother got the Ravens coaching job, which was somewhat of a surprise, and has done reasonably well. I think that also helped to elevate Jim's stock.
I wonder if most of the anti-Harbaugh crowd are too young to have watched Harbaugh play at Michigan? If you saw him play here its hard to understand how anyone could be against him coming back. He might be an SOB but he would be our SOB and fans would love that about him sooner rather than later.
I don't get the whole "if Harbaugh wants the job, we get him, otherwise we keep RichRod" mentality. Seems the decision should be based on two simple questions:
1. RichRod is the best coach for the job. (keep him)
2. RichRod isn't the answer (fire him and find the best coach available, Harbaugh or otherwise).
If Brandon reaches out to Harbaugh in any way, shape or form, it shows he's not committed 100% to RichRod and should move on.
The question is whether RR or a new coach gives us the best chance to win consistently, and poses the least risk that we won't. As I see it, the only available coach worth taking the big risk on is Harbaugh. Otherwise we're better off with the risk that improvement under RR doesn't materialize.
If Brandon reaches out to Harbaugh, it will be quiet-like, so as not to publicly undermine RR before a decision has been made.
forgetting 1 very important thing....if Rodriguez goes, so does Barwis!!
Most of those guys are likely interchangeable. We just happened to have a really old-school guy before Barwis, which made him look more revolutionary than he really is.
I think DB has his mind made up. The man stated that he is in almost every film session, coaches meeting, on the sideline and in locker room EVERY game. He is leaning in some direction, being a savvy CEO type is not showing his hand. This is obviously my opinion, but his blatant lack of backing RR speaks volumes to me. He has a great feel on the programs in workings and every other influential UM persons feelings.
I have been a firm RR supporter, often arguing with friends about jumping the gun on canning him & giving him a chance. Some things are undeniable though, he looks over his head with this position & almost if this negative press is starting to crack him. He looked defeated on sidelines in c-bus & the team did as well.
If RR is staying, announce it & extend him, let us move forward. If Harbaugh is our target & there is some back channel workings already, let us move forward in that direction. I honestly think a Michigan Man would stop all the negative BS from the fans & media. This also might be our only shot at Harbaugh, if RR doesn't do well next year & Harbaugh (bye bye, Luck is gone & that will cause that team to regress big time) is gone to NFL/CFB team, where do we go from there!?!?
One thing I do love, is sparty just went 11-1 & nobody is even paying attention to them. We are still the talk of town after our 3rd straight down year. Hearing Valenti whine about lack of Spartan calls makes me smile!
Whatever direction it ends up going....GO BLUE
Several points that stand out in these posts.
we lose RRod we lose Barwis?? To this I say who cares?What Barwis team has a NC ring? How have other teams won titles without him??
His WV teams were so great ? By what measure?? How'd THEY do against Ohio ST? Penn State?? Wisconson? hell even Notre Dame? They were a one trick pony who's one trick worked great when and where it was utilized. This is why Brian Kelly doesnt scare me at ND. I watched his Grand Valley teams Dominate for YEARS, then his success @ Cinci(Big east) which was just another 1 trick pony that wont hold water against the BIG BOYS.
Our offense is GREAT! Well, I'd give you exiting, explosive and entertaining but those things are a long shot from great. A truely great offense does 1 thing first and foremost...CONVERT. Whether its 3rd down or Redzone you simply cannot use that term to describe something that is so inconsistant. This isn't opinion, its fact. If you had a crucial 3rd and 3 and could HONESTLY choose any offense in the conference to convert at that crucial moment, make a list of which ones would be ahead of Uof M?? I say Wisconson, Iowa, OSU, MSU maybe Penn St. That does not a great offense make.
Players will leave. Who?? Denard maybe, maybe not. If he's as great of a guy who's all about "the team" and not personal statistics as we hear, he'd want to stay for success even if he's used differently. Who else?? Some undersized slot ninja's that have suspect hands and can't/won't go over the middle for a 1st down? My take, we might lose a few that feel they can only have success in a non traditional offense but it would be very few, the upside recruiting wise would far outweigh any losses. Seriously, you've got a former NFL quarterback sitting in your living room. He's explaining how even if you're good but not good enough to get drafted he'll at least get you an open tryout with the Ravens, since he kinda knows the coach.
Folks I only played HS ball but I can tell you that there are certian undeniable football facts. One of them is that in any facet of the game, you will be no better than your commitment to it. There is no substitute for preparation, whether you're talking about tackling, kicking, blocking, gap recognition or whatever. Whats the old saying, "if you tell me I have 8 hours to chop down a tree, I'm going to spend the first 6 sharpening my axe". This team appears to have been DROWNED in learning all the facets and subtleties of coach Rod's high powered offense while leaving no time for 'sharpening the axe". The inexperience that the excuse maker in chief reminds us of at every opportunity is a legitimate problem and I recognize that, however if he was a high school coach he would simplify things as much as possible, commit to achieving basic and measureable improvement in the most fundamental elements, then bring the complexity level up as skillsets enable it. Otherwise he'd risk having his squad look like the bad news bears while running the most complex triple option veer or whetever. The locals would make a laughing stock of him and he would not be able to just say "well the kids just dont tackle well due to their inexperience".
I've never been a hater, I was probably one of the most exited ones when he was hired. I liked the idea of scaring the shit out of the vest with an offense the he couldnt predict or stop. I still like that idea, however the excuses and the disregard of the fundamentals at the coaching level has sent me to the other side.
Add to that his consistant blaming of his players for everything that goes wrong. The ohio st. postgame where he gave exactly ZERO consideration for his seniors and the frustrations of his players who look to him to lead them. You dont become a great captian by passing the buck...EVER, not sometimes, not once in a while...NEVER. You OWN it and that means you ACT like EVERYTHING bad that happens is on YOU and everything good that happens is on THEM.
That was the most admirable trait of Lloyd Carr. He was a LEADER, I was not a fan of his on the field coaching and felt he often underachieved with the talent at his disposal but he would NEVER participate in the blaming and excuse making that we've endured. That because regardless of his coaching abilities, he was a true LEADER of men.
Sorry, I've just been running this stuff through in my mind over and over. I just had to vent and it turned into a mini novel. Regardless of whether anyone reads it or not I just felt better for getting it out.
Now, back to our original programming :)