Bagman question

Submitted by Amaizing Blue on

As I was reading the earlier thread about what the Rome trip cost, it dawned on me that I had no idea what the going rate is for paying a player to come to your school.  Did Laquon Treadwell, for instance, get 25K per year?  50k?  I am sure it varies by how good the player is.  I seem to remember speculation that Rashan Gary could have made a quarter million if he had gone somewhere else.  

evenyoubrutus

June 16th, 2017 at 6:41 PM ^

This is a strange question and I'm not sure of 2 things: one, how you could expect anyone to know the answer on the board and more importantly, why you would want to know??

stephenrjking

June 16th, 2017 at 6:50 PM ^

It is widely accepted by people around here (including me) that there is dirty stuff going on in college sports, especially in the SEC. However, don't believe every wild rumor you hear; it is likely that the more authoritatively a person states that a certain player was making an astronomical sum (such as the occasionally floated "He had to take a paycut when he went to the NFL (NBA, NHL, etc) you know") the less accurate such a statement is.

The "bag man" cash amounts discussed in the article are almost certainly relatively small. But those might be, depending upon the situation, just window dressing. Remember that the most incriminating piece of evidence in the Laremy Tunsil revenge dump was Tunsil asking a guy for rent money for his mom. That's not a five-figure payment we're talking about. Things might get into five figures over a guy's career in those amounts, but not in large quantities. The Alabama Dodge dealership car loans to all of those Bama players? Seems incriminating, but how much does that actually cost the dealer? Maybe not that much.

The truth is, we don't know. We can suspect and we can guess, but we don't know. 

chad

June 16th, 2017 at 11:22 PM ^

With all the garbage the NCAA peddles, slimeball coaches making millions of dollars can you really blame a kid who comes from a poor neighborhood and gets help from a Bagman to pay his parents bills or help out some. I used to be of the belief that taking money or benefits in college was horrible but honestly with scandals at Louisville, Petrino, Penn St and the hypocrisy of the NCAA as a whole I really can't blame a kid or Bagmen for getting help especially when it's not illegal but something the almighty NCAA says is "wrong". Who the F is the NCAA to say anything about right vs wrong... honestly.

PopeLando

June 16th, 2017 at 8:28 PM ^

If I remember the bagman article correctly, it was not a ton of money. More like a constant stream to help with the kinds of expenses that college kids deal with and that college football players can't afford because amateurism rules are stupid. For star players, though, anecdotal evidence suggests that it could get to be a lot

FatGuyTouchdown

June 16th, 2017 at 8:37 PM ^

at least 200k, which I respect.

Teams need to pay their players more like Clemson. A steady rise up the recruiting rankings that correlates with at least some success is infinitely more believeable than LOLe Miss. I guarantee you Dabo got bagmen runnin around, and I respect it. 

titanfan11

June 16th, 2017 at 8:38 PM ^

hard hitting questions here...

1.  Do "bagmen" still actually carry duffel bags of money?  suitcases?  Or are they wiring money in these modern times?  

2.  Do the bags initially come with those expode-with-blue-ink-bank-style things in case the recruit is a mole?  

3.  Why haven't luggage companies approached someone about being a sponsor?  "Today's game is brought to you by Samsonite, maker of the first holds $1,000,000 briefcase."

Amaizing Blue

June 16th, 2017 at 8:46 PM ^

The board has spoken, and I bow to their verdict.  LSA 1986 grad here.  Rome was great, totally legal.  Bagmen not so much.  Just curious, but apparently should have let it kill the cat.  

LabattsBleu

June 16th, 2017 at 8:55 PM ^

You don't talk about Bagmen.

but seriously, the sums are typically smallish, money enough to be flush but never enough to be traced back nor big enough to raise questions amongst the Staff or AD...

 

JHendo

June 16th, 2017 at 9:25 PM ^

All I can speak to is college basketball, specifically a well known player with a temper who played in the late 90's for a school who's name if translated into spanish may or may not be De San Juan. According to an extremely credible source who knew him personally at that time and was themselves involved in college athletics, this player stated they "only" received 15K in cash a year. Anyways, I can loosely ascertain that if something like that clearly happens for smaller basketball schools, I can only imagine how much that dollar amount exponentially is for big names at big football schools. As an aside, this isn't to say I disagree with reasonable stipends for college athletes of revenue sports...

Lil boy blue

June 16th, 2017 at 10:55 PM ^

There were another pair of shooters on the grassy knoll who carried their guns in a bag. They went undetected for years. Sports programs at learning institutions across the US took note and deployed the bag men strategy. It really works until you get involved with tattoo artists and what not.

Elwood

June 16th, 2017 at 10:27 PM ^

It's "common knowledge" in the south that Auburn gave him $200,000+ to play for them. Does this answer your question?

 

The Rome trip cost about $6,000 per person (coaches, players, staff, etc.). 

MichiganTeacher

June 16th, 2017 at 10:43 PM ^

I'm not sure why you got downvoted. Legitimate topic, as far as I'm concerned.

I've seen at the prep basketball level one family pay well into five figures per year to get other kids to come to our school to play. Most of that was in tuition, transportation, etc. and not straight up cash. 

At the high major recruiting level, Sam Webb and others said that Rashan was offered in the  six figures by at least one school. Mid-six figures iirc. I've never seen that kind of offer myself, but it doesn't surprise me at all based on what I have seen. In fact, I'd be surprised if a player like Rashan wasn't offered something like that.

BoFlex

June 17th, 2017 at 12:05 AM ^

The only former player that I know of that is relatively open about his recruitment experiences is Jalen Rose, who in the past claimed that schools, "wine'd and dine'd" him, gave him money and that if he was "not getting laid" during the recruitment visit then he wasn't going to go to that school.