OSU self-reported both the original tattoo/memorabilia infractions of the five players and then the fact that Tressel knew about those infractions. They did not self-report the allegations in the SI article or anything to do with Pryor's cars, etc. I think you're much less likely to get hit with a lack of institutional control charge when you self-report. That charge accordingly seems more likely now.
Back so soon? Reports indicate NCAA investigators back in Columbus; hearing could be pushed back from August.
because the self reporting was lies. They only self-reported half of the truth, so that shouldn't mean that they get a benefit. A lie is still a lie.
they only reported half of the truth because that's all the knew. they covered their ears and yelled LALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU while people were telling them the other half so they could claim ignorance. so technically, the self-reporting was not lies. functionally, however...
...that's up to the courts to decide, based on the outcomes of the FOIA and other legal face-offs over osu/AD documents and records.
This was expected. The August hearing was going to focus almost exclusively on Tressel. With his departure and the other metric ton of crap heaped on OSU football, it's a no brainer.
remember when smith very confidentiy said there were no other violations? he's not that smart.
Take your time, NCAA! Let's peel this band-aid one hair at a time.
Comments like that make me miss the old system. You were already plussed 5, I wish I could plus you to six!
If a poster gets enough up-votes, eventually his or her Karma will improve to 2 instead of 1. This means that his or her comments auto-spawn with double HP. Whoops, are we playing WoW or Mgoblogging? :-)
People do come to Columbus from all over for the best car deals. Perhaps they just need a good minivan.
OSU campus yesterday.
Akerman and Olentangy River Rd (just a couple of blocks away from the toilet seat). I know the picture is a little small, but it reads "the best damn tailgater in the land" on the side. FOR SALE!!!
It might look nice in Maize and Blue, though you might have to do some interior cleaning to fix the work of the cooler-poopers.
I wonder if a longer timeline could strangely benefit OSU by delaying a decision on a post-season ban. Would be a bummer if they were able to qualify for the B1G Championship game this year.
They won't be in the B1G Championship game; it won't even be their loss to Michigan next November that keeps that team out.
I don't see how a loss to michigan could keep them out either way, unless it was a tiebreaker. They aren't in the same division, so OSU could lose to UM and still win the Leaders by winning all divisional games. But I do agree that I don't think that they will be in the championship game.
Cross-divisional games count, too. The winners of each division are not determined solely based on division record.
A longer timeline also lessens the chances of them being able to pull a big name coach. No big-timer, at least in my opinion, is going to want to come in and have to take on the full brunt of the sanctions. The best thing for them in terms of getting a top coach is for the penalties/bans start immediately under Fickell so the new guy doesn't have to preside over the entire sentence.
On the Dan Sileo Show this morning, Dan threw out the name of Skip Holtz as a possible replacement if USF wins the Big East. Lou was an assistant under Woody and Skip actually grew up in Columbus. I really can't see that happening...but...
Pushing the bowl ban forward means one more their recruits would miss out on.
OSU is like an onion, it has layers, or was that ogres?
Ahh, either way, this onion's layers are getting peeled, grilled and carmalized right before our very eyes.
My grocery store just ran out of popcorn!
They will have adequate rations...
OSU won't be dismantled in one either. They'll take it apart piece by piece
this afternoon that 15+ players were being questioned by the NCAA investigators. Then the "Mr. Ellis" from the SI article is being interviewed tomorrow. If players stories do not line up with the accounts of Mr. Ellis, then the players will be in even more trouble.
If OSU does not self impose some more suspensions, a bowl ban, and other penalties before the NCAA hearing then look out. I see the NCAA making a big example out of them.
I see the words "Lack of Institutional Control" all over this situation regardless of the next hearing date.
date back to the beginning of Jim Tressel's 10-year-tenure, then the sanctions will too. Should've known once Clarrett was kicked off the team the rings would be gone too.
Isn't there a 4-year statute of limitations on NCAA infractions? I thought I read that somewhere.
See here on the Wolverine Blog. The upshot: there is a 4 year statute of limitations, excepting:
- The eligibility of current student athletes
- "Allegations in a case in which information is developed to indicate a pattern of willful violations on the part of the institution or individual involved, which began before but continued into the four-year period"
- "Allegations that indicate a blatant disregard for the Association’s fundamental recruiting, extra-benefit, academic or ethical-conduct regulations or that involve an effort to conceal the occurrence of the violation. In such cases, the enforcement staff shall have a one-year period after the date information concerning the matter becomes available to the NCAA to investigate and submit to the institution a notice of allegations concerning the matter."
bad news for the Buckeyes.
Yes, but (and I'm not going to look the exact wording up), the statute of limitations doesn't pertain to violations that are shown to be a pattern of continued behavior, which makes this investigation that much more delicious because they fit that exact scenario...
EDIT: Guess somebody beat me to it AND looked it up. I have been research pwnd.
I know the NCAA reserves the right to go back after penalties have been issued and impose more harsh penalties should more information come to light. I don't know if those fall under the statute of limitations or not. Obviously listed above is the precedent of why this case does not have to be constrained by a statute of limitations.
Just a question, if a Coach leaves one school that is on probation in which the coach had been implicated in wrongdoing, but not confirmed, wouldn't you think that the NCAA would expect that the new employer would pay extra close attention to that coach and his athletes? And yet, from the Cooper quote we can assume that just the opposite was done, or there was a total lack of institutional control in which everyone, AD, Compliance, ADMIN, etc., knew what was going on!
Well I don't really know if there is any defined protocol for giving extra compliance attention. I'm fairly certain that compliance departments are supposed to make sure their athletic teams are compliant with the rules regardless of whether a university hires a coach that used to be a pastor or a coach that was indicted on embezzlement charges.
Which brings us to the question of why you would hire a coach that had been tainted by something like that in the first place....which brings us to the excellence at the University of Ohio State...
the residents of that embittered enclave are, it should not be long before all the finger pointing in the wrong direction backfires and scapegoats become whistle blowers.
This is like an episode of Holmes on Homes as he starts to peel back a corner piece of drywall to notice the evidence of water damage behind the walls that comes from upstairs. Before you know it, he's got every wall and subfloor torn out to find the root cause of the problem. And just like H on H, this shit's gonna be expensive.
Spot on! That is a great analogy.
My father and I once owned an airplane together. We owned it for about five years. It only flew for one. After we spent two years rebuilding it, then flying it for a year, my dad decided it was a good time to get to some things that weren't safety critical but that we'd decided to put off the first time around. Every time I went to the hangar over the course of the next two years, some other part was removed from the plane. By the time he was done, more of the plane was on shelves and in boxes than on the airframe.
If that's the pace and outcome of the NCAA investigation, it will take longer than any of us will be able to stand, but there will be nothing left of that Athletic Department or its sports teams.
Is not critical?
You know, come to think of it, we did seem to have a bigger than usual box of "unknown parts" after we put it together the first time....
are spares or bonus parts. Amazing how many things have them when you put stuff together without consulting the instructions.
It's not great for the conference or the rivalry, but I have to admit to a guilty pleasure:
I'm really enjoying watching this unfold.
I wonder if this has anything to do with that "weak" SI article everyone was bitching about. I think alot of people underestimated the pull it would have.
"Okay, gentlemen, let's get this one right. The new alma mater took some time to write and we don't want to screw it up.
/sweeps his arms toward the downbeat
I am so stuffed from popcorn. We might have to move on to something new.
with some fava bean and a nice chianti.
***double post*** sorry.
I hope OSU has plenty of "lube;" it sounds like they are going to need it. Couldn't happen to a nicer program.
They're gettin it hard and dry . . . .
....made mention of "fisting".
It's really great to know that the job of an upstanding, honest AD like Gene Smith is still "safe."
...THE KISS OF DEATH.
The NCAA uses a statute of limitations of four years. Thus, at any time the NCAA can open or re-open an investigation for an infraction occurring within the last four years. However, NCAA convention is to date violations based on when they learned about the infraction. Thus, events that had occurred far more than four years prior to the investigation came under its purview. The initial accident reports revealed several inconsistencies and violations that induced expanded investigation.
This came from the wikipedia page dedicated to the UM hoops scandal. Yes, it's wimkipedia and yes, it's a wound I don't want to relive, but it helps me contextualize some things.
The above post did strange things because I suck at editing, nonetheless there's info with links.
I certainly think there is precedent for the NCAA to be able to look back and take some things into account that happened longer ago than 4 years, especially if they are part of a trend and from anything that could be considered an on-going investigation, seeing as how things like Clarett and Troy Smith issues have been investigated before but were never corroborated.
As much as I dislike stepping foot in the city of Columbus I will admit that the Schmidt House in German Village has the most bomb ass cream filled pastry puffs I have ever eaten. Usually when heading home from the Columbus airport I will make a special stop in to town for a half dozen, they are that good.
Michigan's throw back uniforms for the Notre Dame night game are BUTT UGLY!!
How have you seen them when we haven't?
Or is it bad news? I see it as evidence the NCAA isn't exactly looking for new violations, just what other ppl have already established.
So the NCAA already sent its professional team to Columbus, its top notch investigators... but it takes an SI article written after 6 days of mostly phone interviews to tip them off to new information? Now the NCAA has to go back to look into the SI stuff, shouldn't they have been able to figure that out? Shouldn't they have found it when they were there? It wasn't exactly ground breaking, it was more or less an expansion of what we already knew. The NCAA had their ppl on the ground, supposedly digging deep.
I think the NCAA investigates what they have to, what the media has already exposed. They won't uncover anything new, there will be no revelations with the NCAA investigation.
The NCAA does not want to know how deep this goes, unless someone in the media goes in and essentially forces them to.
The violations clearly warrant more, I just don't think OSU will get the hammer like USC did.
Part of me really wants this to wrap up so we can see what penalties will be imposed, but the other part of me wants this to drag out so that there is a dark cloud hanging over the program for as long as possible. I guess either way we win.
"RT @SportsCenter: BREAKING: Ohio State QB Terrelle Pryor & his mother interviewed by NCAA investigator."