Given how the team played tired in the second half of the season, an early exit won't effect our seeding to dramatically do you rest your starting 5-7 and try to hit the NCAA tourney fresh? Just wondering what people thought since the regular season title is more important to most and the ncaa tourney is more important to all.
So lose to penn state again?
No way
we can move up in seeding with a nice BTT run. Rest our starters when we're up 20 on MSU with 2 minutes left.
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It was not always true that the post season conference
tournaments helped or hurt your seeding (e.g. a 1 seed would keep a 1 seed regardless). I have heard that it will this year, I am not sure why that would change on a yearly basis. Alternatively, a conference tournament win seemed to help bubble teams. I would be interested to understand the exact formula used.
Different scenario
You don't think that if we beat two of Indiana, MSU, OSU, and Wisconsin our seeding wouldn't improve?
Maybe I don't know enough about the selection process, but, to me that seems like a sure bump if Michigan were to at least reach the BTT finals.
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Not saying you are wrong, but
Not saying you are wrong, but when has that strategy ever worked?
Has anyone tried it?
Has anyone tried it?
Gregg Popovich did it in the
Gregg Popovich did it in the NBA at the end of the regular season.
And against Miami this year.
And against Miami this year. David Stern was against it.
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Ah, right. And looking at the
Ah, right. And looking at the playoffs they were the top seed and lost to the 2nd seed Oklahoma City.
Therefore, it backfired. /s
Obviously a different deal there anyway. They had nothing to gain in terms of seeding while Michigan certainly does. Also, their players are slightly older.
ALL OF THE NFL TEAMS!! (who
ALL OF THE NFL TEAMS!! (who have already secured first round byes...)
Not sure if serious...
If you
Not sure if serious...
If you are serious, then you missed the point...
I remember UA's old coach
I remember UA's old coach Lute Olsen didn't really care for the Pac10 tournament and had some teams exit earlier than expected from the NCAA tournament. Not sure if he rested his starters so it may not be the same issue, but some of the best coaches ever (Bill Parcells comes to mind) preach that every game is important to build a culture of winning.
And I remember at least once,
And I remember at least once, maybe twice, AZ delighting us the first weekend of the Tourney by losing to a 15 seed.
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In both '92 and '93 they were
In both '92 and '93 they were in our region and lost in the first round.
What does this even mean?
What do you mean they played tired? Anyone gets tired playing a game of basketball. Would you have thought they played tired if they had won?
I thought someone had done some analysis about how many games a team plays in a conference tourney affects their showing in the national tourney and couldn't find any reason to think that the conference tourney makes you more likely to get bounced in the big dance.
Their bodies are not used to
Their bodies are not used to the amount of games and physicality. Look at the msu game. We were slow and seemed drained. I don't think they should rest look at the last few games and how aggressive we were. It seems as if we found our second wind.
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But that's not how bodies work
Which MSU game? Since you say we were aggressive the last few games, it looks like you mean the 1st, but that just goes back to my point about how if a team plays poorly, they must have been tired. If only Beilein had let them rest up before our losses! Surely we'd be undefeated.
Endurance over the course of a season is not at all the same thing as endurance during a single game or race, so people don't just catch a 2nd wind like that. Again, 2nd wind = winning again.
If your tired
Go to sleep.
Doesn't necessarily work like that
I just woke up, but I'm still tired...
How's he wrong?
If you're tired, go back to sleep :)
I really thought you were
I really thought you were going to quote the Statue of Liberty ("your tired, your poor, your huddled masses..."), but then I realized you just have piss-poor grammar.
They should be tired this
They should be tired this week from shooting free throws in practice until their hands bleed
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Wrong. Until the basketballs
Wrong. Until the basketballs bleed.
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this team needs confidence
this team needs confidence more than rest
I agree with this. I think
I agree with this. I think there's an argument to taking a few minutes from Burke, Hardaway, and Morgan to give the youngsters a bit more experience, but overall, this team needs to learn to win those close, tough games more than anything.
All great
Teams love to go out and try to lose.
If anything
rotate the freshman with some upperclassmen more often, if anyone needs to save their legs its these kids hitting the "freshman wall"...
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Of couse not. Lose to Penn
Of couse not. Lose to Penn State again and you risk getting a four seed. Win the tourney and you are back in play for a one seed.
This is the revenge tour, not
This is the revenge tour, not the time to cop out.
exactly.
After this weekend some of you are going to feel foolish for all the bad things you've said about his team.
Thursday - Beat PSU = Revenge part I
Friday - Smash Bucky the Badger = Revenge part II
Satruday - Indiana Take III = Revenge part III (if Indy makes it this far. lol)
Sunday- Either stinky ass OSU or bum ass MSU can step up and get their whoopin!
Jesus guys, we sound so defeated around here. Take a step back and enjoy this weekend of ass kicking Wolverine basketball!!!
We are the dead.
one dwon
one down, three to go!
We are the dead.
This is the revenge tour, not
edit: alright, early morning double post!
Their rebounding and
Their rebounding and perimeter defense isn't going to get any better while they are sitting on the bench.
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Good Point
You make a good point, they did look tired. Maybe we should rest the starters for the NCAA tourney too and just completely disregard all the team goals.
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I say in the 1st round Penn St game
You should start resting starters when you have a 15 point lead or so with ten minutes left, oh wait...
It's not an entirely crazy
It's not an entirely crazy idea. I wouldn't advocate having the starters sit out an entire game, but I would like to see them have fewer minutes in the BTT. I do think fatugue at the end of the IU game was part of the reason for the missed FT's.
No and this whole rest thing
No and this whole rest thing is completely overrated. If they need rest then Beilein will give them a break during practice next week.
Kemba Walker and UConn won the Big East Tourney playing 5 straight days a few years ago. Then they went out and won 6 straight to take the NCAA Championship.
I got the shotgun. You got the briefcase. It's all in the game though, right?
Practice
I played DIII ball and at the beginning of the season our practices ran close to 2.5 hrs long. By the end of the season they were 1.5 - 1.75 hrs long. At this point in the season all your offense and defensive sets are in. You're just fine tuning your stuff, trying to stay sharp, keep your conditioning going and going over your opponents.
PSU is a must-win. We
PSU is a must-win. We absolutely need that game if we want to start the tournament in Auburn Hills.
they're one
Of the youngest teams out there and they need rest? Have to disagree with that premise. They need to make a solid run in the BTT to get some momentum for the tourney.
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Well, I don't know about that
Well, I don't know about that argument. This isn't like the NBA where some guys are 35 and some are 20. All college players are young. If anything, being one of the youngest teams is a disadvantage because our freshmen haven't been through an entire season before.
I would want us to rest some guys, but we can't afford to against PSU. A loss there destroys our chance at a good seed.
I'm not sure this really
I'm not sure this really applies at the collgiate level though. Are there really any old teams?
Miami. They're actually older
Miami. They're actually older than a number of NBA teams.
I got the shotgun. You got the briefcase. It's all in the game though, right?
If we're talking crazy and don't care about winning the BTT
Instead of rest, why not just tell everyone to crash the boards on every shot no matter how far they are away from the rim, fast break defense be damned? Or how about only allowing the team to take a shot when they have passed the ball 5 times to work on ball movement, like in the movie Hoosiers...and if they don't, Beilein will pull the player who shoots early and only play with 4 guys?
How about we let coach B get them ready to play their game? UM has never won the BTT (98 does not count...and I am bitter because I was at the semi final and final that year), so this team can accomplish something that has not been done before.
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Now I truly seen it all on this board. Unbelievable.
Win big
How about they go out and blow the doors off PSU, have a 20 point lead at half time, and they can create their own rest.
Keep the change ya filthy animal.
So lose to penn state again? Thats a great way to start an ncaa run! /s
In reality since most of our main players are freshmen and in combination of a key injury, i think we just hit that wall, and we just need to catch that second or third wind, play through it we'll come out stronger as a team. Winning the B1G can only get us a better seeding chance, never quit.