B1G Statement on MSU Call and Refs
Without saying whether the call itself was right or wrong, the B1G said the refs handled the "mechanics of the call" correctly. Here is the link: http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/14086557/big-ten-says-of…
FYI, I saw this on Red Cedar Message Board. If you haven't gone over there to read since last night, you really should. It is...just wow...
Some of my favorites:
1. The B1G planned this to keep lowly MSU out of the playoffs
2. This specific officiating crew has screwed them three times now. It's a crew specifically assigned to MSU games to screw them over
3. Vegas engineered this to make a ton of cash
4. MSU should leave the B1G for the ACC
November 8th, 2015 at 11:47 PM ^
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November 8th, 2015 at 10:42 PM ^
As far as the Vegas part, hasn't MSU not covered any (or maybe one) of their spreads for the entire year? As far as Vegas is concerned, this is just status quo.
November 8th, 2015 at 10:56 PM ^
Vegas odds (and point spreads) are determined in such a way that the house profits no matter what. Doesn't matter whether the underdog wins, the book takes more than 5%
November 9th, 2015 at 9:02 AM ^
But I'd say the Vegas part should refer to gamblers fixing a game, not the house.
November 8th, 2015 at 10:43 PM ^
This crew has been screwing up Michigan games for many years. While it wasn't as egretious as the game three weeks ago, they screwed up calls in a Michigan Ohio State game and a Michigan Iowa game from recent memory. The replay guy is especially bad and inconsistent. It seems like they review everything and then overturn it against us.
November 8th, 2015 at 10:45 PM ^
And yet they keep on working....great.
November 9th, 2015 at 7:39 AM ^
Why is there a crew? Why don't they move around individually? Maybe a moron can pick up some good ideas and rules from another guy the next week?
November 9th, 2015 at 8:52 AM ^
Which actually should be helpful.
November 9th, 2015 at 11:49 AM ^
There are consistent crews through a year, but they change members every year.
Saying that "this crew" has been screwing things up for years makes no sense since that crew almost assuredly is extremely different now than it was 4 or even 2 years ago.
November 9th, 2015 at 2:22 AM ^
The problem is Bill Carollo.
http://espn.go.com/blog/bigten/post/_/id/65313/bill-carollo-talks-big-t…
This is him from 3 years ago when the officiating sucked, trying to tell everyone that the Emperor's New Clothes are great! Now here we are 3 years later and the officiating is even worse because he's done nothing to improve it.
I'm also sick of this attitude that officials have where somehow the snap judgement of the guys on the field is somehow better than what we have on replay. This whole idea that the random guess (and let's get real--a TON of calls on the field are guesses) that some official made is holy and should have more weight than what someone is looking at on replay is stupid. If the replay guy is 98% sure of something, dammit, that should be good enough. Because I bet the guy on the field isn't 98% sure of his call.
November 9th, 2015 at 10:25 AM ^
The league does an extensive job of evaluating officials postgame using former NFL officials to review the work of crews with every play being judged. Teams and coaches can ask the league to review specific calls.
What I see is a problem in terms of expectation of TV viewers and fans in expecting review to overturn game calls on the field when review officials don't have that authority. This is also true in MLB in which active umpires who rotate into NY review headquarters decide based on visual evidence whether a call is coreect or not based on reviewable judgement. And that's the key: reviewablke judgment.
In Saturday's game, both the sideline judge and the line judge threw their hats meaning they saw the Nebraska receiver go out of bounds. The question then became was the receiver forced out or did he go out on his own and then return quickly enough to re-establish himself on the field as a legal receiver to catch the ball. The judgment, after discussion by a huddle of crew members, was that the receiver was forced out and then returned and made a legal catch for an ensuing touchdown. This call by rule was then submitted for review but the only question the review official has are the perameters of the call, not whether he should overturn the judgment of the officials who combined to make the call. He is a visual judge not a rules interpreter. That is why we get into so many debates and controversies over whether calls should be overturned based on-field judgment.
Corollo wears many hats in his role as head of league officials, but he will never, ever impugn the integrity of those the league employs as officials publicly when they screw up. Believe me, these guys get excoriated in evaluation abd challenge behind closed doors.
On Sunday, Gene Steratore was the referee of the Packers-Panthers game. He also works for Corollo as a Big Ten basketball official. The NFL has a more accountable crew method of replay review with the referee directly reviewing challenged calls of his crew. On Sunday, Steratore overruled a spot by his crew that negated a Panther first down in the fourth quarter, and gave the Packers a chance to go back on offense and almost complete a comeback win.
HIs crew also missed a blatant interference call on Devin Funchess by a Packer defender in the same quarter that was never reviewed because it wasn't eligible for review as a no-call on the field. That's the way football works. Officiating tries to get it right and review often makes a difference, and sometimes it doesn't because of the way it's set up.
I think the Spartans got burned by a questionable judgment call by a crew that has made others like that this season against Michigan. But short of not having that crew work your games the rest of the season, there is nothing to be done about it.
November 9th, 2015 at 11:56 AM ^
This is an excellent post. Seriously.
Saying things like "Big 10 officials suck" is not helpful. Posts like this are. Two officials saw the player go out and had to decide (likely through what they saw in their periphial vision) if he was forced out. They convened and (likely, incorrectly) determined the player was forced out.
The review system, as it was set up, did it's job.
The referee - who many in this thread are totally blasting ("the face of incompetence") had no power to change any of that. In fact, the referee rarely has to make any tough judgement calls - the referee's sole job during a play is to watch the QB and watch for late hits and illegal forward pass. All other calls are made by other officials and the referee has to rely on their judgement.
Those two officials will get dinged - badly - in their evaluations. They may not work in the B10 next year - but people won't know that, won't follow up on it and will continue to be ANGAR.
November 8th, 2015 at 10:47 PM ^
So the theory here is that the officials, in a conspiracy with Vegas and/or the Big Ten, allowed MSU to get a two-score lead with 4 minutes to go knowing full well that they would drop a game-winning interception and yield 70 yards in 30 seconds, only to take it away from them with a questionable call at the last second and then force Cook to throw out of bounds with zero time left? Delaney you cunning bastard.
November 8th, 2015 at 10:48 PM ^
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November 9th, 2015 at 6:35 AM ^
Exactly!
November 8th, 2015 at 10:46 PM ^
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November 8th, 2015 at 10:59 PM ^
that cyllindrical figure is not part of the MSU band.
November 8th, 2015 at 11:18 PM ^
I accept this. Just wish there were more sparty weird guys....
November 9th, 2015 at 7:41 AM ^
you don't know them, doesn't mean they don't exist.
November 8th, 2015 at 10:55 PM ^
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November 8th, 2015 at 11:02 PM ^
I bet that girl is crazy in the sack.
November 9th, 2015 at 7:43 AM ^
You let us know, okay?
November 9th, 2015 at 6:14 AM ^
haha. thats funny
November 9th, 2015 at 6:15 AM ^
that were coming out of her mouth. My guess is Incomprehensible grunting and screaming that would be normal in a facility.
November 9th, 2015 at 7:44 AM ^
that thing where they isolated Linda McCartney's voice on "Hey Jude."
November 8th, 2015 at 10:47 PM ^
November 8th, 2015 at 10:51 PM ^
It's their fault for being in a close game with a terrible Nebraska team that gave up 55 to Purdue a week ago.
They narrowly beat RUTGERZ and Purdue. Their below average play against bad teams finally caught up to them.
November 8th, 2015 at 10:52 PM ^
I think it is like the G-spot, it is loosly described thing that occasionally you brush up against it but still not completely understand what happened.
November 8th, 2015 at 11:44 PM ^
you need a third party using video evidence to determine exactly what happened.
November 8th, 2015 at 10:54 PM ^
November 8th, 2015 at 11:00 PM ^
What does that statement even mean? The refs fucked up by the book???
November 9th, 2015 at 10:49 AM ^
a second base umpire in a Dodger-Mets playoff game in which Ruben Tejada was upended on a late slide at second base after missing the base on a double play pivot. And the umpire got not only the call wrong on the play but failed to rule interference on the baserunner. The hard slide into Tejada led to him breaking his leg, eliminating him from the playoffs, and the Dodgers were the first to seek a review of the play, which under MLB review, enabled them to get a baserunner reinstated at second base without ever having touched the base before leaving the field of play, and then allowed him to score moments later on a subsequent hit. The play should have resulted in a dead ball with two outs declared on the play and the Mets ahead.
A day later, Joe Torre, MLB's umpire in chief, suspended Chase Utley for his illegal slide. Because the suspension was challenged for a hearing that was delayed and then made moot by the Dodgers elimination from the playoffs, the hearing on Utlely's action was never held. He was just released by the team and is currently a free agent. He will be suject to suspension if he is signed to a ML roster starting next year.
Officials are always subject to internal evaluation which is never made public for obvious reasons. However, if a league suspends a player for an illegal act, it has made clear that the calling official got the play call wrong. The Mets lost that game to the Dodgers based on that play. That play call altered that series, and could have changed the course of each team's playoff future. And yet, that umpire got to work the rest of the series and called a game behind the plate. He never worked another playoff game after that series ended, however, which may or may not have been based on his evaluation.
November 8th, 2015 at 11:05 PM ^
Those are some funny takes.
November 8th, 2015 at 11:06 PM ^
Still waiting for the Big Ten to say something about the atrocity of a targeting call on Bolden...
November 8th, 2015 at 11:07 PM ^
and wandered over to the red cedar message board. I'm not above parusing the place for some sophmoric humor from time to time but the current message board is really something to behold. It's not just a bunch of people running around with tinfoil hats. They're making full suits out of tinfoil and sleeping in tinfoil bunkers. Their groupthink seems to have evolved to where they actually believe the BigTen is actively conspiring against them.
In addition to suggesting they leave for the ACC, I came across various people they thought should ride to their rescue against the tyranny of the BigTen.
1. Tom Izzo (well, should've seen that one coming I suppose).
2. Mark Hollis should write a sternly worded letter and demand they be treated fairly.
3. Larry Page (yes, a founder of Google and UofM alum should save them because he graduated from East Lansing High school).
November 8th, 2015 at 11:12 PM ^
November 8th, 2015 at 11:32 PM ^
I would listen to whatever Magic (maybe even Paige) wants to say about college sports. Izzo and Hollis, not so much.
November 9th, 2015 at 12:26 AM ^
on the wall of that potential conversation...
Larry Page: Hi Jim (Delany), it's me, Larry P, Google co-founder. How are things?
Jim Delany: (?)
Larry Page: Well, that's great. Listen, I don't like how you've been treating the football team from the town I grew up.
Delany: Wait, I thought you went to Michigan?
Larry: Yes, Stanford as well. But I want you to be nicer to the Spartans. If it'll help make your decision easier, I'll buy Maryland and take them off your hands for you.
Delany: If you buy Rutgers, you have yourself a deal.
Larry: Nobody wants Rutgers Jim, nobody.
November 9th, 2015 at 7:51 AM ^
Who's got it better than Rutgers? EVERYBODY
November 9th, 2015 at 5:35 AM ^
Maybe Magic can sing you a special "Happy Burfday"
November 9th, 2015 at 5:46 AM ^
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