After yesterday's play...rank the B1G teams 1-12.
Next down: Michigan, Nebraska, Illinois, maybe MSU
After that: Northwestern, Iowa, PSU
Not so good: OSU, Purdue, IU
I'm looking forward to November 12th when Wisconsin travels to Minnesota. That should be quite the blowout at the very least.
Especially since Wisconsin isn't so nice and likes to run up the score... Feel bad for the Gophers already.
Nebraska and Michigan 17.5/20
Michigan State 15.5/20
Iowa and Northwestern- 15/20
Penn State- 13.5/20
Minnesota- 9/20 (heh heh)
how bad does a team have to be to get an 8.5 or worse from you?
If we go by letter grades Purdue and Minnesota would both get F's.
I wouldn't say they like to run it up on teams like Minnesota, but that they like to run and run.
And if you can't stop what you know is coming...the score goes up.
(We know that too well).
Do you really think Bielema will pile it on the hapless Gophers? It would be a HUGE douche move, so yeah, he probably will.
This time he's aiming for a full century.
you've got penn state above osu?? i'm not trying to argue that osu is good, but umm... ya.
I have them right next to each other, and PSU has played better. They lost by sixteen to an Alabama team that might very well with the SEC this year (OSU lost by to a mediocre Miami team by 18), they have a conference win, which OSU doesn't have, and I think they look better.
i took the tiers to mean that there was a large gap between them.
still, both teams are offensively inept. i expect a score of 2-3 when they play. any td's will likely be scored by the defense.
would be an upgrade at QB for the Buckeyes.
6.) Michigan State
8.) Ohio State
10.) Penn State
know that Ilinois just beat Northwestern right?
Northwestern was up 28-10 before Persa went down. The best team doesn't always win. I'm factoring in the addition of Persa to my rankings. With Persa, Northwestern continues onto to win that game.
When Persa went down NW was only up five points and was facing a third and long. Colter performed just as well scoring a TD on one of two drives not counting the final drive of one play.
Northwestern is definitely better than Illinois.
'that doesn't make Illinois the better team'
Uh, it kinda does. Especially given the small sample size etc...
How can you be so confident? NW lost to Army and Illinois and is sitting at 2-2 and has no quality wins.......while Illinois is 5-0 has a win over ranked ASU and out gained NW 473 to 329 yards.
I almost ranked us #2, and could have without much controversy. That's really saying something.
6. Penn State
7. O$U- see what i did there???
Thanks for shift-enter tip!
This isn't RCMB, you're not funny or clever for using the dollar sign instead of an S, and even less so because you followed it up with a "see what i did there???"
2. Michigan State
6. Ohio State
8. Penn State
Rankings 2-6 are all very close, and I will put MSU at the top of the "2nd tier" until someone knocks them off.
michigan state over Nebraska and us? Notre Dame knocked them 'off'.
Michigan State is a great team this year. People need to start realizing that. I do think Nebraska is better, but Michigan State will beat us in two weeks.
way to have a positive outlook , I hope you dont look at life so grimly.
Great teams don't have offenses ranked 62 in total offense and scoring offense at 67. Hell, their rushing offense is ranked 81, great teams don't have mediocre to below average offenses. MSU is a team with a good defense and average/below average offense. There are no great teams in the Big Ten outside Wisconsin.
also has a loss... so what's your point? MSU is undefeated in the B1G and just won at OSU. They have the #1 ranked Defense in the country, and were Co-Big 10 Champs last year. Excuse me for giving them some respect.
They would have won that game yesterday.
Honestly, the respect that people are giving MSU is ridiculous.
Are you people Matt Millen fans? Because he was the one speaking in breathtaking tones about how Sparty's victory over the worst OSU team (and really only because of the offense) was a "program building", "season defining" win.
They are a good team.
They are nothing special.
Once they face a real team (just remember when they played Iowa and Alabama last year) they will get destroyed.
I just hope we're at that point in two weeks time.
If OSU had an ave QB, they would probably be competing for 2nd in the B1G with Nebraska. OSU still has a pretty damn good D. MSU deserves a lot of the credit being given them. Having seen them in the ND and OSU game, they are a very good defense. I don't think they'll be the #1 by the end of the year, but I really wouldn't be surprised if they were top 15. The D is very fundementally sound and plays agressive. They also have good defensive schemes. I would put them right up there with UM, Neb, and Ill in the B1G right now.
As an aside, I agree with the above, above poster that MSU was timing the snap count. They've been doing the same thing to us the past two years. I really hope we address this before we play them.
a. Braxton Miller is just bad because he's a freshman or if he just sucks
b. is Miller athletic at all? because i didn't see any athleticism yesterday
c. he knows how to throw a football
d. if steven threet was better than him
I think Braxton miller has the physical gifts, but wow, he is way further behind the curve in the brains department. Either that or he just can't handle big time game pressure, in which case he's screwed for the long term. He just looked lost and worst, indecisive. If MSU sent any other extra pass rusher, he would clam and not know what to do. A lot of their problems fall on the coaches and play calling for putting him in the position to even have to make such decisions. They should have gone to a short game a lot quicker (they never actually did).
Easy to look lost as a QB when your receivers aren't open. The biggest difference between Pryor and Miller as freshmen is that Pryor had Beanie Wells to hand off to, along with a very good offensive line and several future NFL draft picks at WR. Miller doesn't have any of that right now. He, like Fickell, has been thrown into a hopeless situation. The big test will be in the next two games, as they travel to both Nebraska and Illinois, but gain Posey, Herron, and Adams. I think they might beat Illinois with those three back; if they don't, they're going to go 0-4 in October, and might miss bowl season.
Doesn't take brains to attend Ohio...one word...katzenmoyer
If Miami was able to shut down teams like that in their other 3 games, then yes. Unfortunately for your argument, they have not. I fully agree OSU's offense is inept, but I'm reluctant to put MSU in the middle of the pack in the Big 10 until 1.) They lose a conference game, and 2.) We beat them (which I fully expect us to do).
8. Penn St.
1. Wisconsin (by a good margin)
5. Penn State
If we played Wisconsin yesterday, neutral site, what is the score?
My take is Wisconsin -14.5 would be a fairly good line. I don't think they would roll like they did against Nebraska.
Like maybe -17. Their O-line goes about 6'5", 320 all the way across. I don't know how any team stops that for four quarters plus keeping Wilson and Nick "7th year senior" Toon in check.
That's reasonable. I'm not running a casino so 2.5 points isn't that big of a deal to me. I think we lose, but by way less than Nebraska did. Two TD's and a field goal, or two TD's sounds about right.
The over/under on a game like this would be 80.
4. Michigan State
5. Ohio State
7. Penn State
I think there's a big gap between 1 and 2 and 9 and 10.
Here's a fun comment trick that I think applies a lot here: if you shift-enter, you only go down 1 space, as opposed to the default double space.
I see what you did there
Lol I think the gap between Minnesota and the next best team is a lot bigger than Wisconsin and the next worst team jmo.