B1G Conference Realignment Rumors (Twitter)
Something minor (swapping some teams in the divisions), something major (another addition B1Gdybunch), or nothing at all (twitter trolling)?
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They weren't alone in that. It's considered a separate institution with an independant administration. It really just shares a name.
for research money and faculty. Nebraska fell well short. Michigan supposedly was one of the schools that voted them out.
March 26th, 2016 at 12:51 PM ^
Maryland was a founding member of the ACC and they jumped ship despite historic ties to the ACC. UVA, Duke and Georgia Tech (an ACC member since 1979) would all jump ship if offered. Keep in mind that the ACC was only founded in 1953. There is tradition there but it's not like the B1G (fouded in 1896). UNC on the other hand is still a southern school at heart and would be the only ACC school that I could see turning the B1G down.
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March 26th, 2016 at 10:49 AM ^
Whatever the rumors or sources may be, I think it's fair to acknowledge that there's a strong gravitational pull towards the Big Ten and the SEC these days. Both conferences have strong governance/membership, established and well-distributed conference networks and the greatest per school revenue potential. They both also have 14 teams, so there's "room" for two more teams and the establishment of two 8-team divisions for football as well.
In contrast, you have a Big XII Conference which has had major upheavels memberhip and leadership these last few years, little or no prospect of a conference-wide television network and no really good prospects to expand itself into other geographic areas with name programs that will increase the earnings each school gets from television and other sources. It's clear that there are restive members in the conference--just look at Oklahoma President David Boren's comments or Oklahoma State Head Football Coach Mike Gundy's discussion about how Texas's Longhorn Network has (1) been a failure and (2) needs to be dismantled for the Big XII to go forward.
The ACC is in somewhat better shape, but at this stage, it appears they'll be on outside looking in when it comes to establishing their own conference wide network and enjoying the same revenue streams that the Big Ten and SEC are looking at now and in the immediate future. It also has 14 full time members with Notre Dame being a de facto 15th with most of its sports in the ACC and with the agreement to play 5 ACC teams per year in football into the next decade.
The Pac 12 is also having problems with its television network in terms of distribution, revenue streams, etc. While it might be the best overall sports conference, that hasn't translated into the money needed for some of their schools to really operate on a high level. California, for example, had big budget issues. Of course, we all know how close the P10 came to becoming the P16 just a few years ago with the addition of Big XII schools from Texas and Oklahoma. Could something like that happen again?
The one major brake on all this has been the Grant of Rights agreements that all the conferences except the SEC have in place with its membership. Could those agreements be overturned in some way? If the Big XII evaporates, would their GOR still be in place?
As far as the Big Ten is concerned, it's obvious that the additions of Maryland and Rutgers were based less on athletics (although I'd say MD is a mid-range B10 program athletically), but academics, geography and television rights. So perhaps the better question is what two programs make the most sense to the conference's leadership (and fits the B1G's corporate culture) and is doable/realistic?
Would it be something like Oklahoma/Kansas? Admittedly, OU is a non-AAU school (as is Notre Dame), but as a football/men's basketball centric decision, it would make sense. Admittedly, you wouldn't be looking at adding many households in terms of television, but a B1G West Football Division that has those two teams plus Nebraska, Iowa, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Northwestern and Illinois would be attractive. Play seven games within the division and two outside means each team in the conference plays one another at least once in football over a four year time frame.
I suppose the other possibility would be in the ACC's geographic footprint. When Bluevod mentions the DC and Atlanta markets, then he's clearly indicating schools like Virginia and Georgia Tech. Again, admittedly, not usually high profile athletically, but major academic assets for the conference and in areas with higher household numbers. Add those two schools would mean putting Indiana in the Big Ten West for football and shitt the overall Big Ten Conference farther east. UM would be playing Ohio State, Penn State, Michigan State, Maryland, Rutgers, Virginia and Georgia Tech in the Big Ten East's football division each year.
March 26th, 2016 at 11:09 AM ^
T0 GT
2 of the following 3 will be in the B1G in the near future:
Virginia
Duke
Georgia Tech
Considering the B1G's recent expansion into the East Coast and the motives behind it, it is inevitable that the next wave will also push the B1G further East/South where population is growing rapidly. All three have smaller fanbases that are more national in composition and would accept in a hearbeat, unlike North Carolina whose fanbase is larger and still mostly southern in culture and would prefer the SEC should the ACC implode.
If it were up to me, I would add Oklahoma and Kansas. Both are weak academically but OU would give the West some much needed strength in football. KU would be bad for football but a great addition for basketball. OU is practically begging for an invite and if offered KU would jump too.
March 26th, 2016 at 10:26 PM ^
March 26th, 2016 at 10:50 AM ^
March 26th, 2016 at 11:04 AM ^
FWIW, I know a former Florida football player who's still an active alum. We haven't discussed this, but I do know that the Gator nation is getting frustrated being a relatively clean program in the SEC.
March 26th, 2016 at 11:39 AM ^
March 26th, 2016 at 12:34 PM ^
Several years back (before the Nebraska expansion was even on the radar) there was an inquiry from an SEC school about a possible B1G membership. The school was never revealed publicly, but according to sources (Barry Alvarez among them) that school was Florida. Now, it would never happen since Florida fans, alumni and donors would sooner burn down the school than leave the SEC but from an institutional perspective, Florida would be a perfect fit in the B1G.
March 26th, 2016 at 11:17 AM ^
March 26th, 2016 at 11:44 AM ^
Personally I think Oklahoma is in play for the Big10 or Pac12 in the near future.
March 26th, 2016 at 12:04 PM ^
It's fine now...you've done enough Delany, just leave it the fuck alone.
March 26th, 2016 at 12:10 PM ^
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March 26th, 2016 at 12:18 PM ^
University of Virginia- AAU
North Carolina- AAU
Duke- AAU
Georgia Tech- AAU
Notre Dame- not AAU, but gets a pass
and a last one (say Boston College), or Vanderbilt- AAU or Missouri-AAU
South-West:
Notre Dame
Nebraska
Wisconsin
Iowa
Minnesota
Northwestern
Illinois
Georgia Tech
North Carolina
Duke
North-East:
Michigan
Ohio State
Penn State
Michigan State
Maryland
Virginia
Rutgers
Boston College
Purdue
Indiana
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