Good lord. That was fast. Transfer to MSU now?
This is maaaaybe premature there, ESPN. Maryland #1 FWIW.
Good lord. That was fast. Transfer to MSU now?
Big Ten rules would apply....
Plus, I don't think either of his brothers are still there. I think they're both gone now. My guess would be Directional Michigan
Wha? The dude had offers from half the Big Ten and LSU and was the 10th best RB in the class. I'd guess he ends up somewhere like Cincy.
and he did have good offers. I was just thinking that he would stick close to home and when kids wash out of a big program they don't usually end up at a decent size program. Now maybe as a Freshman he has a much better chance of landing on his feet at a BCS school.
Of course as I'm typing this I know Turner ended up at WVU and I'm sure there's a dozen other examples of kids landing on their feet.
Well, he could end up in the MAC. I'd just be surprised if he did. As a Stevenson alum, I'm kind of cheering for him, so I hope he doesn't.
Wish him the best of luck in life. Respect the fact that he didn't drag it out over the course of a couple of meh years before transferring. This frees up a spot for someone who is better suited for Michigan.
If woolwolk doesn't play this year and wants to come back??
Yikes! I see Woolfork a lot, but Woolwolk?
Yikes, I see Woolfolk a lot but Woolfork?
You missed the joke. I am simply pointing out that listening to games I could see where a casual fan would figure it to be fork.
Shit, my bad. Going to drink another cup of coffee. Hopefully it will kick in my sarcasm meter.
Hahaha wow my bad typo... still feeling it from last night I guess! Wow
Austin White. I hope you find a better fit and everything works out.
Paging D-Hart...there's an opening in the offensive backfield in Ann Arbor, MI.
Now accepting applications.
Agreed, best of luck to the young man.
Magnus and the like - post this and Turner, what kind of numbers we looking at for this next recruiting class?
This bumps it up to about 17, AFAIK (you never know which walk-ons have scholarships, so that's an educated guess).
I believe we have about 18-19 now, with the final number depending on which 2011 fifth year seniors are given a fifth year on scholarship
It seemed like Austin was getting a lot of reps and doing very well, judging by the "countdown" videos. Disappointing, but obviously he has his reasons.
Its just my opinion but anytime you have a B10 talent in your backyard that is a life long fan you should pick him up. Just IMO.
Hindsight is always 20/20 though, had AW panned out I would have been thrilled. Didnt AW enroll early or am I mistaken?
anytime you have a B10 talent in your backyard that is a life long fan you should pick him up.
And so what does that have to do with Nick Hill?
(Nothing against the kid, I'm sure he's a great human being)
wouldn't have been a good fit in RR's system. He fits better at MSU offensive system. I don't think he was ever offerred by Michigan.
What does his departure have to do with Nick Hill? As someone else noted here, it does not appear that he was ever offered by UMich. Not offering White != offering Hill.
Scholarships need to be used widely, but I have to admit that the other response here (bringing in a local kid who's a lifelong Michigan fan) makes some sense. By reputation Hill is also a high-character guy.
Anyway, my understanding is that Hill's skills were considered 3-star across-the-board (speed, strength, vision, elusiveness, etc.) and that his best chance for success would be at a mid-major. Compare him to Vincent Smith, who might have inferior speed and strength but high D-1 elusiveness. It's early. We'll see...
I'm pretty sure Mike Hart was considered to be a 3 star talent across-the-board too.
You remember that he held national career rushing records, right? His size worked against him in 2004 (pre-Sproles, pre-Jones-Drew, etc.). Have you ever seen this?
That's called elusiveness.
Based on what I've seen of Hill (all highlights), he's got Hart beat on speed and strength. Vision? Not sure, but I'll bet he's worse. Same with elusiveness.
It's not at all clear that Hart was considered an across-the-board 3-star.
Hill is still young and he could eventually make Michigan look foolish. It's early.
What is the reason behind his departure?
with Fred Jack.
That's too bad. He showed some promise. We're stacked at RB and Slot though. Maybe he's looking for more PT somewhere else. Best of Luck to him...
I missed the threads the other night, so why did this come to be exactly?
best of luck to AW. Might go down to a mac school, like central michigan.
During his recruitment last year, there were assertions that he had some unspecified character issues, and I think one or both of his brothers got into some trouble up at MSU. However, Austin and his parents appeared live on-air on WTKA after he verbaled or signed, and he sounded like a decent kid. His dad is or was the principal at AA Pioneer, and he sounded like a no-nonsense guy. Maybe AW will transfer to EMU—RE will love the fact that he's been raised in a two-parent family.
according to info posted a few days ago. So something was definitely wrong. I wish him the best, but the helmet thing we know now is a clue about guys having difficulty for whatever reason.
Best of luck to the kid. Looks like he ran into a logjam at RB and probably didn't see a future. Hopefully he'll land somewhere where he is happy.
This might be a bit callous considering the kid just left, but how does this affect UM's APR? I'm not sure how the rules apply if the kid never plays a down and doesn't complete a semester.
And that the next news after White's departure is Michael Shaw's 2010 eligibility confirmed.
Even if Shaw doesn't meet the grade, the team still has Hopkins, Smith, Cox, and (hopefully) Toussaint. Certainly not the depth chart we all thought at the beginning of the year, but still okay. Plus, you could always see about dragging one of our slots (like Grady) if need be as a last option.
From everything I've heard he'd be at UM if he could
Hopefully he stays in school and gets another chance to join the team next year. Depending on what he was dismissed for obviously.
This was a shock to me today as I had not heard or seen any rumors before yesterday's scrimmage notes. Anything you can share?
That's all that really needs to be said
Interesting. I wonder just how badly he could have screwed up in about a semester to not be asked back/kicked out (which seems to be the insinuation here).
As an early enrollee he has completed a semester.
Hate to see anyone leave, but it's a fairly deep position with similar looking players. Sam Webb keeps saying how great the talent coming out of Ohio next year is and that OSU will not have many scholarships to offer. It would be nice to have more schollys available to fill out the roster with players at positions of greater need.
Good luck Austin.
Does this count against the APR?
Let me try to make this point in a pro-Michigan way: We seem to be having more attrition than I can remember (save possibly for the Moeller era). Dorsey and Whitty were academics, Turner was motivation (I guess), and White - who knows. I understood Carr's guys leaving b/c of the change in style. However, these are RR's guys. I think that Rich Rod and the coaches need to take a hard look to see if changes need to be made. I get that we are loaded at running back. That's not the point. On a team that needs depth, we are seeing a lot of guys leaving. It simply can't be good. Nor can it all be blamed on the kids.
I am not trying to blame RR. I am just saying that there seems to be an issue that he needs to addressed. I hope he does so, rather than digging in his heals.
I have no problem with players leaving the team. If they aren't willing to put in the effort to get better, let them go. I think a lot of these transfers have to do with the fact that RR runs a tough program, and by no means should they change it.
Now, I would love to have the guys that didn't get in because of academic purposes, but that's not RR's fault. He wasn't the only coach who recruited these kids, and he can't take their tests for them.
Any bad ideas.
thin the herd, baby
Neither Dorsey or Witty left, those guys would both be at Michigan if they could. Also, it sounds like Austin White did not leave the team by choice. There really haven't been a lot of guys leaving recently, and Michigan had plenty of attrition under Carr (as every program does).
I did include kids who were signed and didn't make it, but you are right they are different. I will also assume that Rich Rod will adjust to the admissions office, or at lease communicate better.
I also admit that I didn't look at attition rates between eras. (I wish I had time for that, the wife kids really limit my quality mgoblog time.)
It just seems that we are loosing good talent and I do have a concern over it. First of all, I want these kids to come in and do well both on and off the field. Second, we need players. Turner's failure to launch is a problem that will haunt us this year and next. RB is OK for now, but who knows what develops down the road.
I am not saying that we turn the place into Club Med. I just hope that Rich Rod takes a look at this situation and makes those changes that can be made. These are kids making a huge transition. There is a balance between kicking their behinds and welcoming them to the team.
It's Division 1 Football, Brother!!!
Better that we know early that someone is not willing to pay the price that everyone else does.
Those who stay will be champions.
it's a little concerning that players seem to be leaving UM with little to no resistance. Perhaps Carr took more time to really talk to the kids before they made their decision to leave and convinced some of them that UM is where they should be. Maybe RRod's "you're either in or you're out" stance is more hardlined and/or he doesn't try as hard to convince guys to stay and stick it out. Seems like Turner was a guy that could have benefited from something like this.
throw transfer papers at Crable? I don't think RR is any different than Lloyd in terms of "team" mentality, but I have no personal experience with either. Carr expected a lot from his players and RR expects a lot from his players. I don't see the need to compare the two coaches on everything.
but Tom Brady was also considering transferring to Cal because of lack of playing time until he sat down with him and had a talk. Not that Austin White leaving will make a big impact, but the defections are a little bit disconcerting. Just saying.
The "transfer papers toss" seemed to be Carr's next step if the "not on the same page" and "in the doghouse" ploys didn't get the message across. I remember stories about Chris Perry and Rondell Biggs being offered transfer papers. Who knows how many times it happened and we didn't hear about it.
Neither you nor I know what went on behind the scenes with Turner. But we do know that the common wisdom is that he came to UM in bad shape a year ago and was in bad shape again this year. If a full year of advice and mentoring resulted in no improvement it would be understandable that coaches might agree with a young man who decided he didn't fit in.
Again, I don't know what happened behind the scenes, so I'm unwilling to second guess how the coaches handled this specific case or others.
I am sure that RR and staff are aware that high attrition is not good for the program. I am sure it is not slipping their minds, going unnoticed. I am also sure that, being highly paid and experienced managers, executives, they are interested in how to keep the kids here that work hard once they get here. I think RR's attitude toward walk ons is telling - he rewards hard work. Come in, work hard, you will likely have a spot on the team. RR & Co know what they are doing - it all depends on who is leaving, why someone leaves.
they come and they go hobbs, they come and they go.
good luck to austin wherever he lands.
I am confused...If it was not his decision to leave - why is he gone? Was he kicked off the team? I thought he "earned" his wings already.
Who has the inside scoop? These kinds of soap operas are killing me - let's play some football!
I guess I dont get why some want to keep reasons secret...Why let us wait for it tomorrow or hear it from "Spartans"...This whole hush, hush stuff is why rumors get out there...Just saying
White didn't ask rrod for transfer papers, rrod Showed him the door
If you're able, could you forestall the inevitable, senseless rumor mongering and let us know why White was shown the door?
Geaux mentioned it above, but it was a "team rules" type thing. I don't think we need to go any further. Austin White is not on the team.
"violating team rules"
I've heard things, but I'm am not going to stick my name on something I'm not sure about aka not pulling a MelCol
This is the right approach, stick to it. Some things are for us to know, some things aren't.
Do you have a source for the fact that he was given the boot instead of transferring? I agree that the specifics don't matter. I had thought it was his decision to leave. If he got shown the door , I might feel differently about this than I stated in my earlier posts. Where are you guys getting the information that RR kicked him off the team? Note - I am not saying you are making it up or anything, I just want to catch up with the rest of the class. Thanks.
Read his username.
Good luck Austin White. Sorry it didn't work out. I agree that the reason should be stated as to why it didn't work out. Anything is better than hearing it from Sparty.
So I guess it really was his decision,,,,It was just probably not made consciously. Sounds like RR had to validate the bad decision(s) that were already made.
Good luck to Austin wherever he lands. This could be a great life lesson.
but if he wasn't all in, he wasn't all in. Good luck to him elsewhere.
While I don't necessarily have a problem with Rich Rod letting go of the guys who won't work, I do have a problem with him recruiting these guys in the first place.
With every committment post, there are a handful of guys saying "Don't worry Rich knows what he's doing." But as Dorsey, Witty, Booboo, Feagin, Turner and now White have shown...maybe he doesn't know what he's doing.
OMFG RR CAN'T READ THE MINDS AND INFLUENCE EVERY 18 YEAR OLD KID THAT TRIES TO GET INTO THE PROGRAM HE DOESN'T KNOW WHAT HE'S DOING111
Shut the hell up.
That seems like a reasonable response, and really sums up the essence of what I was saying. :)
I thought so too.
Illinois, Iowa, LSU, MSU, Purdue and Wisconsin. good info.
Im not sure what youre going for, but its unreadable.
EDIT: It's better
You do realize BooBoo was an LC commit, and that UM had been recruiting Turner since he was like a freshman in high school, right? And White had offers from all over the place. Sometimes, it turns out the program and the player are not a good match, and there is a mutual parting of ways. Sometimes, the player realizes his heart just isn't in football anymore. Sometimes, the player turns out to be a total idiot who doesn't deserve to be at the school. You can't blame the coach's recruiting tactics every time there is a transfer, or somebody gets booted from the team.
Kids (non-athletes) drop out of college all the time, transfer, and fail out, but in most cases, we don't blame admissions, because these cases are often complex mixes of personal and academic factors. It's even more complex with scholarship athletes because staying on the team is such a huge commitment, even setting aside the personal and the academic.
The fact of the matter is, it is difficult to predict success of a given individual on or off the field, even when you have a lot of metrics. And the sample size in this case is really, really small. So I don't think that we as outside observers can accurately judge the coaching staff on the basis of the results. A coaching staff has to do their due diligence and make the most educated decision they can. Clearly they don't benefit from kids leaving the team, so it is generally in their interests to make good decisions, especially at a place like Michigan where this kind of stuff is really scrutinized. There's no evidence that RR and his staff haven't done the best that they could. That's not true at other universities, and we should be proud and supportive of Michigan's commitment to excellence on and off the field for its student-athletes.
I'm just so impressed at the power Brian has. He laid down the law and the tune of the Austin White thread has turned on a dime.
Friday-"A. White is a #$%@#$ and a @#$%@#$% #$%#$%@#$5, get the @#$%!@#% out.
Sunday-Good luck Austin
Brian=Firm Pimp Hand
There's also the fact that people now know that he didn't leave voluntarily.
Let's not forget that most of the "Austin White is a [blank]" posts came from a stream of new posters with msu.edu e-mail addresses. This board has consistently been one of the most responsible and respectful places I have visited on the Internet. By comparison, I was on ESPN reading about the LLWS and someone called a kid on Tom's River an overrated player. We are talking about 8- and 9-year olds.