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August 29 Kickoff Dinner -- Speakers to include Brian

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Celebrate the opening of Michigan Football's 132nd season and kick off the Brady Hoke era with the University of Michigan Club of Greater Detroit!

On Monday, August 29, the club will present the annual Football Kickoff Dinner at Park Place Catering in Dearborn, located at 23400 Park Street, near Michigan Avenue and Outer Drive.
 
You're invited to wear your maize and blue as we prepare for each game of the 2011 season; from the season opener versus Western Michigan through the home finale against "that school in Ohio," as Coach Hoke has so routinely called Michigan's greatest rival since his first day back in Ann Arbor.
 
The event will begin at 5:30 p.m. with cocktails, wine, and a club favorite, Ann Arbor's own Wolverine Beer! The evening will continue with dinner at 6, followed by the speaking program and drawings at approximately 7:30.
 
Guest speakers scheduled to attend include: Detroit News beat reporter Angelique Chengelis and columnist Bob Wojnowski, two of Detroit's long-standing and most reliable voices on the University of Michigan and Detroit sporting scenes; Brian Cook, the owner and primary editor of the immensely popular MGoBlog.com, the Web's go-to home for Michigan athletics analysis; and Greg Dooley, who, as the editor of MVictors.com, brings a leading historical perspective to Michigan's generations of athletics tradition.
 
The four speakers will discuss their outlooks for the 2011 season, answer questions from the club, and provide their analysis for where Michigan has been and where Michigan can go.
 

 

 

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July 27th, 2011 at 12:33 PM | I hope he takes the (Score:5 Normal)
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I hope he takes the opportunity to point at Hoke.

July 27th, 2011 at 12:35 PM | Hopefully he gets the talk (Score:-1 Trolling)
July 27th, 2011 at 12:36 PM | Yeah, he should take the (Score:3 Overrated)
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Yeah, he should take the truth and shove it.

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July 27th, 2011 at 12:39 PM | The truth? Seems (so far) (Score:-1 Normal)
July 27th, 2011 at 1:03 PM | Is Denard still here?  Did we (Score:0 Normal)
July 27th, 2011 at 1:18 PM | Please, please provide (Score:0 Normal)
July 27th, 2011 at 1:37 PM | There was a prediction that... (Score:1)
PeterKlima
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..the Michigan family was still fractured under Hoke?  That's news to me.

July 27th, 2011 at 3:19 PM | Dumb Dumb Dumb Dumb Dumb (Score:1 Normal)
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Reading comprehension fail. Brian mentioned these things as possible bad things that could happen. Not once did he ever say "Mark it down, Denard is gone/etc." If you can provide any concrete evidence to back up your claims, I'd love to see it.

July 27th, 2011 at 4:57 PM | I'll do a little (and only a (Score:2 Normal)
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I'll do a little (and only a little) digging for those who seem too lazy to do it (though I won't sort for radio bits where Brian really lost his mind).  Did he put it in bold and talk about asteroids (like he did saying Hoke would never be hired)?  Maybe not, but let's see a couple quotes:

If there is a change you can go start the Denard transfer watch at DEFCON 2, since Robinson knows what he is—the Big Ten offensive player of the year as a sophomore at quarterback—and where he fits. How screwed up is a program that manages to get both Ryan Mallett and Denard Robinson to transfer away from certain starting QB jobs in the course of three years

Later, Brian gets sarcastically optimistic:
Brady Hoke told the radio Denard Robinson would not transfer. So he'll go through spring at least

He mentioned "possible bad things that could happen"...Um, yeah...and he wasn't down on Hoke...just "the process". 

July 27th, 2011 at 4:51 PM | Quick To Judge, Are We? (Score:3 Normal)
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I think  that, like many of us, Brian was skeptical of this hire, and I believe, like many of us, he has be also quick to point out everything that has gone RIGHT before Hoke has even coached the team in an actual game. Because of this site and for his insight, he is a great choice to speak at a football kickoff dinner for the University Of Michigan. 

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July 27th, 2011 at 5:22 PM | Simply ludicrous. (Score:2 Normal)
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He's not a good person to kick off the 2011 season? Really? I guess he probably isn't the right person to put together the kickoff issue of the 2011 magazine then. Whoops, he already did it.

"Everyone gets dumped Gabe. Let me give you some advice: a little coverup on your Adams Apple will make it appear smaller. Which will make you appear less like a transvestite." 

July 27th, 2011 at 12:56 PM | Ugh. (Score:5 Normal)
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I love Brady Hoke. I wasn't insanely excited when he was hired, but he's doing a fantastic job so far. Hopefully he's the coach here for a very long time.

That doesn't mean I can't still hold the opinion that RR should have been given another year. 

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July 27th, 2011 at 1:07 PM | Indeed that's a fair opinion (Score:2 Normal)
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Indeed that's a fair opinion to hold.  Of course that's a lot different from (sarcastically) saying that Brian should "take the truth and shove it".  Again, Brian was the most vocal member of the media attacking the new coaching staff (and his "truth" was proven wrong repeatedly).  As such, it seems that he isn't a great fit for a Kickoff Dinner.  

July 27th, 2011 at 1:14 PM | Your comment stated he (Score:3 Normal)
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Your comment stated he shouldn't pour one out for RR. That has nothing to do with what he says about Hoke.

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July 27th, 2011 at 1:20 PM | Pouring one out for RR would (Score:2 Normal)
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Pouring one out for RR would be kinder than repeating his criticisms of Hoke, which still haven't stopped (shotgun nonsense, anyone?).  

July 27th, 2011 at 1:21 PM | Denard is better in the (Score:3 Normal)
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Denard is better in the shotgun. How is that a criticism of Hoke?

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July 27th, 2011 at 5:23 PM | And further, (Score:2 Normal)
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it is incontrovertibly, obejectively, true.

"Everyone gets dumped Gabe. Let me give you some advice: a little coverup on your Adams Apple will make it appear smaller. Which will make you appear less like a transvestite." 

July 27th, 2011 at 5:27 PM | Because Brian was complaining (Score:1 Normal)
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Because Brian was complaining about something that had not (and, according to the OC, will not) be an issue.  Brian could also write a long post arguing against Hoke's policy to run on every 3rd down (MANBALL!).  Brian would be correct to say that running on every 3rd down is bad policy; but it isn't Hoke's policy.

July 27th, 2011 at 1:24 PM | Shotgun? (Score:4 Normal)
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So Brian arguing that Michigan should still use the shotgun is a criticism of Hoke? That seems odd when Hoke's offensive coordinator has specifically stated that he will use the shotgun this year more than he ever has before. That almost seems like...I don't know...he agrees with the coaching staff. 

July 27th, 2011 at 1:26 PM | I believe Brian was (Score:1 Normal)
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I believe Brian was disagreeing with his predicted use of Denard...and then his prediction was shown (again) incorrect as the staff discussed more of their plans for the offense.  Brian was complaining about something before it even happened...and then he was wrong again.  Again, great blog...inappropriate speaker at that venue.

July 27th, 2011 at 1:32 PM | Ok... (Score:2 Normal)
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This doesn't even make sense. In the comment that I replied to you said Brian is criticizing Hoke by saying we should stick with the shotgun. This comment that you just now made is about an entirely different issue (that you think Brian sucks at predicting things). 

July 27th, 2011 at 1:45 PM | The issues are related. (Score:0 Normal)
July 27th, 2011 at 1:55 PM | Many of his predictions (Score:2 Normal)
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Many of his predictions relate to Hoke and how Hoke would fail with regard to X, Y, Z.

Links please.

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July 27th, 2011 at 2:10 PM | I see what you are saying (Score:3 Normal)
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and Brian has been off on several predictions, but I still think it is a stretch to claim that Brian advocating for the use of the shotgun is a criticism of Hoke. If I said I think Devin Gardner should be the starting QB or Michigan should run a 3-4 defense, that isn't really what I would consider criticizing the coach. 

Edit: This is especially true now before the season has started, if halfway through the season Brian said something like our offense isn't working we need to go from only the shotgun then I could see where that would be considered criticism. 

July 27th, 2011 at 4:29 PM | I think you're missing my (Score:2 Normal)
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I think you're missing my point.  Brian was complaining that we were not going to use the shotgun.  But he was wrong.  He made up something and complained about it as if it had happened.  That's not exactly giving the coach a fair shot (as he complained about for RR).

July 27th, 2011 at 5:30 PM | He never said that. (Score:2 Normal)
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Where did he say we "were not going to use the shotgun?" He repeatedely stated that moving away from the shotgun would be a bad idea. And it is, because of Denard, and we are in fact moving away from it. Borges stated that we will be in it "a lot, maybe 50%." We were in it 100% last year. That is moving away. Now, I'm not saying that will result in calamity, and I don't believe he did either.

"Everyone gets dumped Gabe. Let me give you some advice: a little coverup on your Adams Apple will make it appear smaller. Which will make you appear less like a transvestite." 

July 27th, 2011 at 5:37 PM | So, then, what was the point (Score:1 Normal)
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So, then, what was the point of the entire thread?  Why not write "it would be a mistake to punt on third down"?  We aren't rolling with that plan either and that also makes no sense to complain about (as it isn't happening).

July 27th, 2011 at 5:36 PM | The only thing worse than (Score:3 Normal)
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The only thing worse than that would be constantly hopping on every other thread to remind the whole world that Brian once made predictions that were wrong and was also once incredibly unhappy about a University of Michigan hiring decision, and then advocating that Brian be drawn, quartered, set on fire, reduced to a small pile of ash, and barred from any Michigan related speaking activities for the rest of forever.

Boy, that would really be irritating and completely unnecessary, huh?

Not that I also don't love reliving the same ridiculous conversations over and over and over again.  I also love repeatedly hopping on other people's blogs and holding them accountable to every single thing they've ever said ever in their entire lives.  Not only that, I let them know that I'm REALLY upset about it too. 

But really, now.  Football is almost here.

July 27th, 2011 at 5:42 PM | C'mon dude...the head (Score:1 Normal)
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C'mon dude...the head football coach is just a "University of Michigan hiring decision"???  Is that why Brian wrote so many threads to complain about that "hiring decision"?  Or why he went on the radio to complain about it?

Maybe get off the high horse.  All I'm saying (and it's really simple) is that a guy who devoted so much time to attacking the coach probably isn't the best speaker at the Kickoff Dinner.  Period.  

Drawn?  Quatered?  Barred for life?  Holding Brian accountable to "every single thing [he's] ever said in [his] entire life"?  From your high horse, it appears you missed the bullshit you're standing in.

July 27th, 2011 at 5:56 PM | No... (Score:2 Normal)
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...my horse would actually be standing in the bullshit.  I am sitting on the horse, and the horse is taller than me - it's a very high horse - so my boots remain spotless and clean.

Your bullshit is actually the bullshit in which I force my horse to stand.  For this, I sincerely apologize to my horse.

Regarding your bullshit argument: I know it's really simple.  You keep telling us.  Not only that, it's the same argument you've been making here for many many months now.  My argument is less an argument - I'm not even asking you to see reason like some of our other posters here - and more just making a plea for you stop it.

July 27th, 2011 at 6:37 PM | Keep on making that plea.  My (Score:2 Normal)
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Keep on making that plea.  My bullshit?  What's "my bullshit"?  Does it compare to all the things that you made up and pretending I said in an attempt to make a point?  Dissenting voices make the world go round.  Enjoy.

By the way, from your high horse, why not even address my point (that the largest media critic of the new staff is not a great fit to speak at the Kickoff Dinner) rather than continually attacking the messenger?  

July 27th, 2011 at 9:19 PM | Shotgun (Score:-1 Offtopic)
July 27th, 2011 at 11:24 PM | There's a difference between (Score:1)
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There's a difference between complaining and expressing concern about something based on history. There's also a difference between predicting something and expressing concern about something based on history. You make it sound like Brian is predicting (or even rooting for) Michigan (or Hoke) to fail. This couldn't be further from the truth.

August 18th, 2011 at 9:53 AM | Do you mean... (Score:-1 Flamebait)
July 27th, 2011 at 1:08 PM | I was livid when Hoke was (Score:2 Normal)
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I was livid when Hoke was hired but was sold as soon as I heard the man speak at his introductory press conference.

July 27th, 2011 at 12:58 PM | Let's see Hoke coach a game (Score:5 Normal)
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Let's see Hoke coach a game or two before we christen him the savior of all.  I want Hoke to succeed, but recruiting and winning on the field are completely different skills; ask Ron Zook.

July 27th, 2011 at 1:10 PM | "False?" (Score:2 Normal)
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Brian's predictions on the field pretty much nailed what happened in spring practice, and he made no predictions for off the field.  So how does that make "every single one of Brian's predictions....false?"

Hoke is off to a great start.  The people within the program who were sabotaging RR are now helping Hoke, and he is rightfully taking advantage of it.  He has proven to be a charismatic leader, and recruiting is off the charts.  But they haven't played a down against live competition yet. We really don't know what is going to happen until they start playing the games.  

Brian has enough class not to scapegoat RR; you don't.  C'est la merde...

 

 

 

July 27th, 2011 at 1:17 PM | Scapegoat???  Wait...you're (Score:3 Normal)
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Scapegoat???  Wait...you're concerned with RR being a scapegoat for his tenure at Michigan?  And this comes in the same post where you say "we won't know what is going to happen until they start playing games"???  

Ok...lemme get this straight...RR (the coach, the leader, the captain, etc.) is not at fault for his performance at Michigan (which can be evaluated based on his record), but we should wait to evaluate Hoke until he builds a record?    Wow.

 

July 27th, 2011 at 1:54 PM | This isn't about scapegoating (Score:2 Normal)
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This isn't about scapegoating RR or excusing him for what happened during his tenure, but if you honestly believe the environments both of these men stepped into aren't significantly different, and with it the potential for immediate success, then I'm not sure we are having the same conversation about football.

July 27th, 2011 at 5:05 PM | Of course the environments (Score:1 Normal)
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Of course the environments were different (not that anyone was even talking about that again), but they environments were different...what's your point?

RR took over a team that had a decades-long bowl streak, that had an endless winning-season streak, that had a clean NCAA record and that had internal dissent as to whom the next coach should be.  RR then made the rift worse by his own actions and won no friends by putting a bad product on the field every season.

Hoke took over a team that could barely win a B1G game, lost three straight against MSU, couldn't even get close to OSU, got trucked by Wisconsin, Mississippi State, was on probation, had fallen off the map a bit and then he very quickly reunited the Michigan family upon his arrival.   

* I was replying to Tater who said I was "scapegoating" RR.  Generally, to scapegoat someone is to blame them for the failure of another (see, for example, GERG, Scott Shafer, Freep, former players, the fans, etc.).  You can't scapegoat the guy who helmed the sinking ship.

July 27th, 2011 at 11:18 PM | Love it or leave it, right? (Score:0 Normal)
July 28th, 2011 at 9:23 AM | This again? (Score:0 Flamebait)
July 27th, 2011 at 12:50 PM | Just think it'd be a shame (Score:1 Normal)
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Just think it'd be a shame for him to give a repeat performance of some of his on-air meltdowns after the Hoke hire (especially given the constant "the media never gave RR a chance" complaints).  He can do that here all day (it's his blog), but I can't imagine the Kickoff Dinner to be the place for it.

July 27th, 2011 at 12:54 PM | Wouldn't it be more reasonble (Score:5 Normal)
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Wouldn't it be more reasonble to expect him to echo his sentiments in Maple Street Press released recently rather than his knee-jerk reaction when emotions were still running high? It seems more like some posters like you can't let go of this preconceived notion of his feelings on the topic even when his actual staements haved moved far away from that position. 

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July 27th, 2011 at 4:56 PM | Needless To Say... (Score:2 Normal)
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.....January  was a rough, beer-filled month on an emotional level. Still, I was sold at the first press conference that this guy loved Michigan and cared about Michigan and wanted it to succeed, and I think he's done a great job of trying to ensure this before we've even massacred the Broncos. 

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July 27th, 2011 at 1:24 PM | Comprehension (Score:2 Normal)
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Do you actually read Brian's' posts or do you just read a line or 2 and yell based on your own pre conceived ideas?

What predictions did Brian make?

He didn't like the process because it killed our recruiting momentum.  Hoke got a few guys but they were for the most part much lower rated than RR had ready to commit and it killed our OL recruiting which we needed badly. Brian never blamed Hoke for any of this.

I don't recall Brian ever doubting Hoke's ability to recruit.

Brian liked the staff hires so I don't know what you are talking about when it comes to him not liking the staff.

You seem to be unable to seperate Brian's feelings about the way things were handled and the false perceptions about RR vs Brian's feelings towards Hoke-Michigan's head football coach.

 

 

 

July 27th, 2011 at 1:41 PM | Someone else asked for (Score:3 Normal)
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Someone else asked for Brian's prediction quotes, but I guess they fit here as well:

Brady Hoke is not a serious candidate for the Michigan job. He is not any sort of candidate. If Dave Brandon was willing to hire Hoke to coach Michigan, Rodriguez would already be out the door because there would be a dozen people he'd rather have coaching Michigan than Rodriguez. Unless meteors hit both Jim Harbaugh and Rich Rodriguez, the chance Brady Hoke is Michigan's coach in 2011 is zero point zero percent.

Brady Hoke will not coach Michigan in 2011.

Speaking of recruiting, not to be, like, you know but… Michigan has eight coaches. Seven are white and one is Fred Jackson. Most are old, and even the young-ish ones look like old white guys spiritually. This 1) is bad, 2) looks bad, and 3) can be offset if the last two guys are "energetic recruiters" in the same way Zack Novak is "heady."

Others have posted many other quotes.  I don't have the time to dig them all up now (and lack access to his radio quotes).  Look, the entire "I was only upset at the process thing" is not true.  A guy who said the things quoted above has every right to his opinions but maybe shouldn't be a speaker at a Kickoff Dinner.

July 27th, 2011 at 7:20 PM | Let me see if I'm following you here: (Score:0 Flamebait)
July 27th, 2011 at 9:35 PM | Ok, I'll give it one last (Score:0 Overrated)
July 27th, 2011 at 12:46 PM | Yes... (Score:5 Normal)
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Heaven forbid Brian be hired to speak and then actually be allowed to, like, speak.  That would be disasterous.

If there's one thing I've learned from this blog (apart from getting analysis of all the things Hoke has done right so far from the Brian himself) it's that Brian is intent on shooting flames out of his mouth and destroying everything we all hold dear.

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