Another day, another off-season headache for our enemies.
Can someone quote the other interesting points in this article? My company firewall flags the site as "Inappropriate: lingerie and swim suit".
of Auburn, Jay Jacobs?
What you think follows the tease on OSU follows the tease. The rest of it is just a bunch of Auburn players saying the same thing: lots of cash.
McClover is not as cool a name as McLovin, but it's close.
What's the "statute of limitations" on NCAA infractions? 5 years? I think any allegations regarding MSU and OSU would be beyond the time period where the NCAA would investigate. Auburn, on the other hand, is about to get hammered.
The NCAA interprets that as "five years from the NCAA becoming aware" of the infractions. So Jalen is safe, it's expired; OSU is not for this, unless the NCAA knew something before.
This may be beyond the statute for OSU, but it does serve as a character check for the university. It's not like it is inadmissable or anything. I'm sure the smell of taint wafting from Columbus will just serve as chum in the water for the NCAA. That, or it will serve as another obstacle that they cannot hide from, no matter how desperately hard they try. Either way, things are mounting up to be really, really bad for OSU.
Directions: Drive south until you smell it. Then drive east until you step in it.
NCAA rule 32.6.3 Statute of Limitations: Allegations included in a notice of allegations shall be limited to possible violations occurring not earlier than four years before the date the notice of inquiry is forwarded to the institution or the date the institution notifies (or, if earlier, should have notified) the enforcement staff of its inquiries into the matter. However, the following shall not be subject to the four-year limitation:
(a) Allegations involving violations affecting the eligibility of a current student-athlete;
(b) Allegations in a case in which information is developed to indicate a pattern of willful violations on the part of the institution or individual involved, which began before but continued into the four-year period; and
(c) Allegations that indicate a blatant disregard for the Association’s fundamental recruiting, extra-benefit, academic or ethical-conduct regulations or that involve an effort to conceal the occurrence of the violation. In such cases, the enforcement staff shall have a one-year period after the date information concerning the matter becomes available to the NCAA to investigate and submit to the institution a notice of allegations concerning the matter.
Part C of the rule may leave the door open for the NCAA to pursue an allegation made after the standard four-year period has expired.
What the deuce? Not surprised, but seems like this kinda just came out of no where.
my friend just texted me the link to that story. The MSU and OSU things were minor details in what I've read. But it did get me thinking. When that Yahoo!Sports story on OSU came out, didn't someone say that they said they had two more stories coming out and one was supposedly a Midwestern school that finished high in the rankings last year?
Wow. I really hope this gains mainstream press attention.
that Michigan State is cheating, and this is clearly more about Auburn than anything, but remind me where Mark Dantonio coached again?
5 years there, if you know what I'm saying.
EDIT: Although this particular player appears to have been around before Dantonio was at MSU. Which, I mean, if he's saying John L. Smith cheated, then JLS must have really sucked at cheating, because I don't really re-call him ever getting big recruits.
That was during the Bobby Williams years.
Bobby always had really talented teams, but he couldn't coach his way out of a paper bag.
John L. Smith, as criticized as he was, really cleaned the MSU program. MSU still had some off-field issues under JLS, but it was nothing like the out of control stuff that went on under Bobby Williams.
this kid was from that long ago. Also, I was a lot younger in those days and payed less attention to things going on away from the field. Care to expand on the Bobby Williams comment?
Rampant drug addiction, players who didn't respect coaches, numerous broken curfews at away games, boosters/agents too close to the program...
It all ended for Bobby when he basically admitted that he had lost control of the team. JLS came and, although he gave MSU terrible football, he absolutely changed the program for the good.
Wasn't Bobby Williams at the helm for the coke-in-the-dorms period?
mistook winning for Charlie Sheen's version of "winning."
I can't see anything wrong with coke in the old dorms ... oh yeah
I was at MSU for the end of the JLS years, and while the team may have been better than under Williams in terms of staying off the police blotter, they were not saints. Lots of drunk driving/MIPs and dorm fights, if memory serves me right. Probably nothing worse than most colleges, but I know of at least one case where a couple of football players beat up a hockey player badly enough that the coaches had to openly acknowledge it in the press.
I'm sorry to hear that...
Considered a disicple of Tressel and Saban...not quite the pedigree I would want right now...
That's mainstream press attention.
Should be interesting -- wonder what RichRod will have to say if, as I've read in the paper, is on the Real Sports panel.
Bodog will have a running line on the likelyhood that OSU gets the death penalty? I mean if what these guys are claiming is true, in conjunction with what's already gone down....yeeoooowww.
be another death penalty in college football
Agrees with you, but my god, what do you do with a program is so universally corrupt? And throw Auburn in there too. Do they magically clean up in one year? I doubt it.
SMU got killed because they were MORE corrupt than this, got caught, said 'eat me, lets ramp this pay-for-play thing up and do it Texas style' and then got caught again. No team is currently that brazen and stupid.
There were pay for play allegations in 93 and in 2000 at Auburn straight from the coaches, this may in fact, be THAT brazen because no one is doing anything about it.
They very well could get the biggest non-death penalty punishment. It's not out of the question they get hammered hard. But SMU took cheating to a whole different world. It's not fair to compare any program to SMU who had written contracts with players to pay them.
Don't forget, too, at SMU it was the actual board of governors at the actual school authorizing the payments, not merely a coach or a booster.
Of course the SMU guys said it wasn't NEW pay for play, just taking care of past committments. So really they were just being honorable.
Yes, that's sarcasm.
"We have a payroll to make"
Its die-a beat-us
The players could not have sued. SMU was worried about the entire team transferring if they stopped paying the players, so they continued. They could not have sued the school over an illegal benefit, that would be like a drug dealer suing someone for stealing his product. Not gonna happen.
Every month, it seems like I read about some wasted bong-sucker calling 911 because somebody stole his stash.
There is nothing illegal about paying a student to play college football. While against NCAA by laws, that contract is 100% enforceable by a court unless they deem it "contrary to public policy." Whether a court would do that likely depends on the judge, but there would be a strong argument in favor of its enforcement as the players are the protected class (minors) who were promised something by an entity with superior barganing power (university). The university should not be able to go back on a deal it made with full knowledge of its impropriety simply because it is expedient for the university. There is a strong chace a court would enforce the terms of that contract.
Omar Little got sued all the time.
I haven't heard this. What has the Board of Trustee's been up to that could cost them their accreditation?
I mean, academically, I think Auburn is pretty fucking solid. They're not a Texas Tech or Oklahoma State.
They're on accreditation probation right now, and only kept their accreditation in the first place with the Alabama Governor stepping in personally on their behalf.
Apparently the rigged slot machines could cost Auburn it's status as a school because they're owned by a member of the Board of Trustee's. I'm assuming that having an illegal gambling operation for the benefit of certain students isn't looked upon highly in the educational world, especially when a school is already on probation.
Lowder (the casino owner) is the one who got the school in trouble in the first place. So Auburn keeping him and then having a scandal like rigged slot machines come out would look bad for the accrediting body, to say the least.
Yikes. Hopefully they don't lose their accreditation, because that'd be bad news for a lot of people who had absolutely no involvement in anything shady.
I agree; except for the little part of me that would love to see the SEC to have to search for a new member and half the state of Alabama go up in flames. It would be interesting news, if nothing else.
lol auburn is effed. the whole article goes into more detail
Coming right from players' mouths
I'm not going to get too high and mighty because there could easily be some renegade boosters at Michigan doing cash handshakes. The difference with Auburn and maybe OSU is that there's some serious evidence that pay-for-play is systematic. Of course, the NCAA has decided to barely lift a finger in Auburn's case.
Can't stand the general idea that "everybody is doing it" or that a school that isn't under the gun shouldn't judge because chances are they are crooked too. The NCAA just pieced through Michigan's athletic department for the second time in 10 years. My guess is that anyone that had gotten a cash handshake like this would have surfaced or they would have found something.
How? If the booster keeps it from the AD how are they going to know? The players, would not be asked if they are receiving money from a booster since the investigation was for impermissable practice hours.
NCAA: "So how much have you practiced this week?"
Player: "20 hours, which is the legal limit"
NCAA: "Hmm ok good. By the way, have you received a cash handshake lately? Just curious"
Additionally, when players do come out saying that they received cash handshakes, the school can easily defend itself by saying there's no proof, and the player just has a bone to pick with the university.
I'm not trying to make a "everyone's doing it" argument. My point is that there's very little the NCAA can do to stop cash handshakes, so we shouldn't be surprised if it's happening everywhere. Because it's so hard to catch anyone, it is essential that the NCAA comes down hard whenever a school gets caught attempting to pay a player or recruit. Unfortunately, their idiotic handling of Cam Newton is only going to make matters about 100 times worse.
OMFG. If the NCAA doesn't strip Auburn of its BCS National Championship, and ban them from playing football for one year, then....you know what, they're really something else.
My guess: They're something else.
Stripped of the title? Sure. Death penalty? Hell no, not going to happen.
$1000 at Ohio State? Pryor is laughing.
Double parked asshole.
This is disturbing.... especially the part about ohio.
I searched the board and didn't see anything......espn radio in Philly (Baldinger) reported Tressel will be fired. Has this been debunked?
I'd guess that's an opinion. No one else is reporting that--including ESPN.
If you follow the link there is a poll that asks what would happen if both Tressel and Gee tried to fire each other. Ironically, the most bizarre answer given in the poll is also the most likely to happen (and the most popular answer):
I don't think Tressel survives this, and I wouldn't be surprised if Gee doesn't survive it either. He's a PR disaster.
a turd swirling around that toilet bowl. Whether Smith and Gee join him as trailing pooh logs is probably the subject of much jockeying and politicking. I think there are too many unkowns about their involvement and (lack of) oversight to say right now. If Smith knew, it will be hard to keep him around, NCAA darling or no. I'd wager both make it out if they weren't involved. OSU will consider the Tressel resignation payment in full.
Though Remo Gaggi (Casino) comes to mind: "Look... why take a chance?"
Ace: "And that's that."
Gee is like that annoying hanger-on that won't drop.
"The second segment focuses on "the money handshake" - the illicit payoffs talented players received to attend and stay at college sports factories. Stanley McClover, a former Auburn defensive end, talks about how he received not just cash but sexual services during a recruiting visit to Ohio State."
If sexual favors for recruits are going to be a problem, then every program that recruits is going to be up the creek.
The sexual services at Auburn were a lot better. *rimshot
The most interesting news from the segment comes from Rigo Nunez, a former UMass basketball forward who says many of the nation's top players planned a protest in 1995.
This is interesting. Remember the famous story about Mr. Webber walking past State Street shops selling $50 jerseys with his number on it, and the resentment the Fab 5 felt for not being compensated for their services?
"Well, how was that gonna happen?" Goldberg asked.
"We were not gonna play," Nunez said.
"We were just gonna go to the middle of the court and sit down. Every game, in the whole country."
"Because you weren't getting paid?" Goldberg said.
"Because it was not fair to us," Nunez replied.
a lot faster?
Sexual Services at Ohio State...mais non.
I fully expect (like most Auburn fans would admit) that the NC will be taken away from them sometime in the coming years, right after the NCAA is done cashing in that last advertising check they received from the bowl game.
Honestly, I don't even care what the NCAA does at this point - teams are going to cheat until they are caught, will accept the penalties and hide behind the sympathetic "you are punishing kids who had nothing to do with this" angle, then rather-rinse-repeat in a decade. People act surprised by the SEC is winning so much in football this past decade, how they manage to attract these top kids with shady pasts, how they manage to bring in 30+ student recruiting classes yet never exceed the scholarshhip limit, etc. and try to rationalize it away with demographic shifts and the natural "evolution" of football. But the reality is that people may be "haterz", but only in the sense that they are playing with different rules, and until the NCAA does something legitimate (like ban an Alabama, Auburn, or LSU for a couple of years), you won't see this practice change.
... he is a good family man:
He's not that interested.
Is this the big story that was rumored to be coming out a few weeks after the OSU Tressel incident?
Probably not. I believe that this *may* be the 6 out of 10 that they rumored would be coming out. Then again, why would Yahoo not break this? Maybe we're still in for a particularly juicy summer...
If Auburn, OSU, and half the SEC straight-up paying dudes is a "6 of 10", what on earth does it take to make 10 of 10? Florida State burning down the city of Gainesville and kidnapping the entire Gator football team for sexual slavery in Uganda?
The problem with the NCAA is the fact that these are allegations.
These could be disgruntled players saying the craziest shit they can think of to get back at their former school or schools that dropped them during the recruitment process.
Not that I believe that, but still, there's no physical proof, no Tressel-esque e-mails that serve as concrete evidence something fishy is going on. There isn't even an incident like Mateen Cleaves being in Mo Taylor's car when it crashed to spur on an official investigation.
Unfortunately. Because it probably is going on at select institutions and it cheapens the game.
Would the one kid mention the sexual favors at OSU? No agenda there, he took the money at Auburn.
But, I was illustrating the point that the whistle blower didn't have a bone to pick with OSU, so the whole jilted lover/ax grinder argument has no merit imo. Leave the sexual favors comment alone, and he STILL said he was getting $500 handshakes at OSU..
I can't see it being that big of a deal either...likely wasn't at the time, either
But I made the point that perhaps OSU pulled his scholly or something. All I'm saying is that conjecture and hearsay make for great television but can't exactly be proven.
Damn, tried to embed it!! Carry on...
I hope non of our boosters are stupid enough to do something like this.
I know that some of our boosters are stupid enough to do this, I'm just hoping they aren't stupid enough to get caught.
With fanbases this size, there are going to be incredibly stupid boosters.
They just had a blurb on the HBO show. They specifically made mention of OSU/MSU, means nothing but it's going to get spun up by WWL and main stream media.
Also over at 11W:
JT is having a spring practice press conf. at 1:00est should be fun. !!
The NCAA always acts in their own self-interest. Before, it was in their interest to let schools like USC and TSIO get away with stonewalling because it saved the NCAA the embarassment of having to suspend one of their "prestiege" programs.
With the internet/information age reaching "adulthood," it is almost impossible to hide abuses on the scale of those at TSIO or any of many chronic rulebreakers anymore. Consequently, it may now be in the best interests of the NCAA to continue to perpetuate shamateurism by making an example out of a big program.
TSIO could be in some serious, serious trouble here. The NCAA has a dilemma: continue to aid, abet, and enable TSIO's stonewalling or make an example out of them. I think it may finally be time for door number two.
Between the MSU allegation and the Det News story 3/26 about MSU distancing itself from it's booster club? Link:
another article lists the other benefits at Colombus as "sexual favors," now when I think of sexual favors on a recruiting trip I think of Jesus Shuttlesworth banging two white girls, so I think OSU can cook up something a little better.
somewhere T. Boone Pickens is crying....or paying Bryant's bills
because they're already under investigation, and I can see the university itself being in criminal trouble.
OSU may get it, depding on when the NCAA begins an official investigation into Tressel and how wide ranging they make it.
MSU isn't going to get anything, because they're not currently under investigation, they are, by appearances, trying to clean up their act, and a couple of people saying, "I got money", isn't enough to open an investigation.