I came across this on Facebook this morning. Some people created an event for this Saturday to try and change the "You Suck" after Temptation to "Hoke Smash". I know that it has been discussed here before, and that there are people who did not like the "You Suck". I am not sure if "Hoke Smash" is perfect, but I definitely like it more than "You Suck". It will be interesting to see if there is even a noticable difference on Saturday (unlikely), but there are over 600 people listed as attending. Just figured I would do my part to spread the news.
Attempt to change the "You Suck" chant after Temptation to "Hoke Smash"
Here is their listed reasoning and explanation for those that won't click the link.
"Why change the cherished "you suck" to "Hoke Smash?" I offer the following:
(1). Hoke Smash is more fun.
How to HOKE SMASH:
You're right, sarcasm IS hard!
I'm glad my wife doesn't attend the games, because the words to that song are nothing but a lascavious display!
Football is a serious game, and all in attendence should treat it so!
I've always thought it would be simple to switch "You Suck" to "Go Blue."
Then again, I like to think rationally.
"Go Blue" would catch on (a key necessity - "Hoke Smash" will not and is gimmicky) and would be infinitely classier. Come on, students, let's get it done!
This might be confusing to inebriated college students. It could possibly lead to:
"You Smash!" or "Hoke Suck!"
saying "Go Blue" all season because I've got my kids with me. I wish the rest of the fans would class it up a bit...
how bout...."go blue"
It's classy, elegant and timeless. Sign me up.
I'm all for changing the "You Suck" chant, as it is in no way clever and, frankly, and bit crass. What are we, michigan state? But Hoke Smash? Doesn't exactly roll off the tongue. Then again, I've got nothing better...
I'm pretty sure MSU legit calls the other team a "bitch" in one of their chants.
had a cheer for first down where they say "first down" then make a slapping motion and say "bit*%." That's crass. "You suck" may also be crass (and I don't like it) but is pretty tame in comparison.
That's the same thing MSU does. So not only are they classless, they're unoriginal.
A group of about 6 Sparties (in the student section, guh) was directly in front of me at Braylonfest. They did that damn cheer EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. MSU got a first down. Needless to say, they left very, very quickly and quietly after the 3rd OT.
Purdue does this chant for every single first down they get too.
[insert joke about how few first downs they get]
My friend that was at the UM-MSU game this year said the MSU students had a chant that went: "Go State! F*ck Michigan! They suck balls!"
Haha, I was there. The problem for MSU chants are none of them rythems which sounds stupid and lame... The funny chant I know is Wisconsin " fk you, eat sh!t"
MAN BALL !!!
I like trolling on the opponents. "You suck" is clean and doesn't include any profanities.
Well, either we change it or we stop playing it, your choice.
Has the administration actually made this threat?
It's not a threat per se, they've just discussed it. Right now they're trying to change it, but if things don't work out, they might not have a choice. I suggest we just change it to "go blue!" The tradition is to play Temptation with Hawaiian War Chant, so they can still get rid of Temptation after third downs without breaking that tradition. Temptation after third down stops is a tradition in it's own right but it's not as old as Hawaiian War Chant/ Temptation.
The adminstration says a lot of shit. Like how they were going to take season tickets away from people who chanted four letter words at hockey games. I started getting emails of such a nature back in 2003. We're still swearing and we all still have tickets.
If they kill Temptation the blue hairs (and all the dollars they donate) will rise up and we'll have it back within a game or two.
We really need to change the "you suck" chant. We're Michigan. It sounds stupid and probably fires up the opposing team on some level. We're better than that chant. I dont care what we change it to.
Hoke Smash would be popular with young children. Oh, I see what you've done here, Dave "ILWolverine" Brandon. NOT ON MY WATCH.
FYI - I've hated the "You Suck" chant since I was an undergrad (early 2000s) and told everyone around me so multiple times. It's so immature sounding. Not sure "Hoke Smash" raises the bar, maturity-wise, but "Go Blue" has always made more sense.
"you suck" is the most unimaginative cheer ever, but I love it.
because I chuckle whenever I hear the "You suck" chant or whenever I meet someone named "Dick". but gosh darn it can't we all just agree to disagree and get along. How do you think I feel? My name really is Hugh Jass.
you said "chuckle" hha ha ha ha.
The best thing is when you can hear it on the TV. I smile every time.
"You suck" might be the dumbest thing any student section has ever come up with, aside from perhaps the popular but usually unfounded 'bull-[poop]' chant after a controversial call. I am in full support of either this or "Go Blue!"
especially when the fans do it on a 3rd down step when the team is clearly going for it on 4th, which happens pretty frequently
I pay attention enough and know enough about football to know when they are going to go for it, others dont.
When the band starts playing temptation then they are going to start chanting. The band needs to learn to not play it when its not actually a stop yet.
Temptation is always played after a 3rd down stop whether they go for it or not. Also, the band plays immediately after the play is over, there is no time to figure out whether they are going for it or not.
and they also play it after a fourth down stop as well.
Except the band is under pressure to stop playing it completely since the "you suck" thing has become pretty clear on TV. Hearing Temptation after a 3rd down stop > Not hearing Temptation after a 3rd or 4th down stop, regardless of whether or not the timing is bad.
Pitt's fight song has "Penn State sucks" in it, nevermind the fact that the team isn't even playing Penn State when its being sung.
Haha, point taken. I suppose I should have generalized my statement to include "_______ suck(s)"
That just screams little brother complex right there.
MSUs original fight song:
On the banks of the Red Cedar,
There's a school that's known to all;
Its specialty is farming,
And those farmers play football;
Aggie teams are never beaten,
All through the game they'll fight;
Fight for the only colors:
Green and White.
Smash right through that line of blue,
Watch the points keep growing.
Aggie teams are bound to win,
They're fighting with a vim!
Rah! Rah! Rah!
Michigan is weakening,
We're going to win this game.
Fight! Fight! Rah! Team, Fight!
Victory for M.A.C.!
Georgia Tech's fight song includes the line "To Hell with Georgia" in it, and has forever. So "you suck" is equally (only equally) classless, but at least it doesn't reveal a little brother complex.
but Wisconsin's knucklehead students go with "eat sh!t" "F#$k You" as their chant
Sorry but no.
I won't be going to the last two games, but I do think this is a good idea and I would like to hear whether or not it sticks.
"You suck" chant sounds a little too 1990-ish....time for an update. However, something 1990-ish that kicked ass were the marshmellows.
But I don't recall "You Suck" until after I graduated in 1999.
or 2003. I don't remember for certain. I do recall there being some debate when it was first initiated - a lot of fans thought doing a tomahawk chop was too derivative; there was some attempt to make it "the claw" instead of a chop (did that ever catch on?). I do remember that the motion started before the "you suck" chant was added to it.
Fall '02 was my last student season and it wasn't around then.
Thanks for the confirmation - I was pretty sure this started midseason during my frosh or sophomore year, and was leaning towards sophomore - which was '03.
What I realized (and posted about on the FB event page) was that the "You Suck" Chant (YSC) was born under very rare circumstances - a Hated Rival Beatdown. When Brady Quinn and Notre Dame stunk up the Big House in '03 and lost 38-0, it was a perfect storm: a rival team came in and got totally annihilated.
By the time the 4th quarter rolled around and ND had gained 102 yards to M's 355, it wasn't whiney or contrary-to-the-scoreboard at all to tell them they sucked, it was really just a statement of fact. And we certainly hated ND (and Brady Quinn) enough to let them know it. Hell, the birth of the YSC may have come right at the end of the dominating 3-and-out that M forced at the start of the second half.
Anyway, this got me thinking a couple of things:
First, it's totally consistent that I participated in and enjoyed the YSC for a very brief period of time as a sophomore, and just wanted everyone to stop as soon as that brief period was over.
Second, the YSC is not as completely devoid of purpose as it has sometimes seemed. MAYBE, if conditions are just right, the student section could pull it out again. But, the conditions do need to be right. 1) The opponent has to be a rival or a very strong team (like we're ever going to schedule a home-and-home against a good team... sigh). 2) Michigan MUST MUST MUST have the lead. 3) The opposing team must not be setting up to go for it on 4th. There were more punts from the end zone than 4th-down conversion attempts in that magnificent ND game.
If we can reserve "It's great... to be... a Michigan Wolverine" for big wins, why not reserve the YSC for super-big stops in HRB games? (And that's what we tell the stupid guys posting "But it's ironic!" on the FB Event page.)
during my time (95-99) but the "you suck" was added later. (I was unclear in my earlier response.)
The chop was there in the mid 90s, a grassroots attempt at making it a claw fizzled during my student years too.
...but "Hoke Smash" is just plain douchey
as when the Daily tried to change the Chop into "the Claw" my senior year.
It was my first year-- and I found the argument convincing. We're not FSU, fergodsakes.
Disparaging the Claw is a Clawable offense.
the Claw looks idiotic.
"You Suck" is pretty lame, but "Hoke Smash" is even worse. Furthermore I can't imagine how dumb it would look to have someone to do the Hulk thing at the end. Can you say awkward and weird?
Replace every "you" with "Hoke" and "suck" with "smash"
Oh ok thanks for clearing that one up.
There are few things that have caught on in the stadium...you suck, the wave, and now 7 nation army... these are a few of my favorite things, so let's leave them be. One that needs a revival is "who cares" following the opponent's introductions. Most of the students were not here the last time we had introductions.
maybe 'hoke stop' is better.
I agree that the chant should be changed and go blue fits perfect. I especially hate when the team makes a big third down stop, the oppenent goes for it on forth and short, and the band and crowd are too busy chanting you suck then cheering on the defense in an even bigger play than the previous. I will start cheering go blue from now on no matter what the others chant and maybe it will slowly catch on.
I think it should be fluid based on the status of the game. For example, if there is a turnover of downs due to some good opponent yakity-saking, the "you suck" is entirely appropriate. However, its definitely inappropriate if Michigan is being hammered or if there is a fake punt or something like that. It just makes the crowd look stupid in those situations.
"Hoke Smash" is just plain dumb.
I don't think you can reasonably ask fans, many of whom are fairly inebriated when they come to the stadium, to remember to chant things "according to the status of the game." If you don't do the same thing every time the song is played, it won't work.
Not sure about Hoke Smash, but I believe that the "You suck" inclusion has to go. All anyone would need to do is figure out winning percentage before it became popular, vs. after.
no You Suck, no Hoke Smash, and no knock off tomahawk.
That will go perfectly with sitting quietly in our seats and leaving before the end of the 3rd quarter to beat traffic.
clearly the alternative to originiality is leaving games early.
Hoke Smash? Blech! Plus, Hoke won't be here forever.
I vote for GO BLUE as others have said. It'd be a perfect fit.
I want to do the hockey version just to be confusing until something better comes along... or "Go Blue," whatever works and keeps Temptation coming.
I go to the games with my little brother and we both also frequent the hockey games and during temptation just out of habit we sometimes do the hockey chant. We just laugh and then go back to the "You Suck".
I think you all are missing the point of the You Suck song. It's purposefully juvenile and uncreatively simple, which is why it works. I mean come on:
Yooooouuuu suuuuuuck, yoooouuuuu suuuuuck
Yooooouuuu suuuuuuck, yoooouuuuu suuuuuck, yooouuu suck
It's kind of like Stanford's tree mascot. No duh it's a huge sack of shit, and the students know that. It's a play on how students who are so bright submit to something so dumb. It's humor that I think is on a different level than MSU's "First Down Bitch," which is crass for crass' sakes.
I propose this:
I was alone
I should have known
You were temptation
Luring me on
My heart was gone
You were temptation
Replace the "chop" with a "Hail Fist" motion. (We already extend one arm in a fist in The Victors and The Yellow and Blue, why not for Temptation?)
Replace the "You Suck" with "Go Blue."
Then this no longer looks (and sounds) like the bastard child of a Seminole/Spartan chant.
FTR, I've always hated "you suck" and refuse to say it, though I have participated in both the chop and the claw (that ill-fated attempt to de-chop).
I do the chop with one finger extended now. The Hoke Pointing Chop!
What the hell?
I feel like someone has been playing too much Donkey Kong on the N64.
For all the people who don't like "You suck", you should steer clear of games at Yost. For your own good.
Go Blue would be a fine change. The You Suck cheer always seemed a little lame when we got a 3rd down stop but were still losing by 3+ scores.
I don't mind the atmosphere at Yost. Somehow that doesn't belong in the Big House though. I'm in agreement with other folks here, "Go Blue" sounds much better.
As for the "First Down Bitches", they do that in Toledo too. It sounds crappy there.
And "Bullsh**" after a call...I don't mind that.
And I love Yost. After getting sent to the box, they deserve a fond farewell. Never did 'you suck,' I think Temptation deserves better. Honestly, I will probably do goalie/sieve at football from now on because it is still better than both options, and I do love calling things sieves.
The atmosphere at Michigan Stadium and Yost are totally different. Those things seem fine at Yost, which always feels like a family gathering, a private event among those in the know. Football, however, is a public event, a face to the world for Michigan fans and the school. It's less about being "crass" or keeping our image as stodgy better-than-yous. It's just kind of lame and tacky.
I'm definitely a fan of "Go Blue" as opposed to Hoke Smash. As of this year, the band is instructed to not say anything at the end of Temptation (we used to say "awww yeah!") to show that the band is in no way supporting the "you suck" chant. It sucks :(
Wisconsin's fans literally chant eat sh*t and F*ck you back and forth for 5 minutes every game. We have a really tame, and rather boring, fanbase. I am not saying you suck is the greatest chant ever, but it really is not that bad at all.
I get it, This is Michigan Fergodsakes, but come on. We have gotten a snoddy moniker on this fanbase because of things like this. Look at us, we are whining about "You Suck?" Really? I was allowed to say this phrase when I was seven. This chant does not demean how prestigious our fanbase is.
We can still have our persona that we are better than everyone else, but there is no reason to act like we are so high class. I feel like some of you are going to start speaking with a British accent and wearing monacles if your underbritches get in any more of a twist. Wisconsin is a VERY fine school that systematically turns out scholars, yet their fans go to games and get crazy with it, we have enough trouble getting our students into the stadium before the end of the first quarter. Let's focus on getting the atmosphere a little bit more rowdy and stop sitting on our hands before we start trying to change the chants that actually make the stadium somewhat loud.
Not a neg intended at the OP but at the douche canoe that came up with this shit-brained idea.
Put me down for "Go Blue" instead of "You suck" as well.
Great idea. NOT!!! Go Blue if you change it at all. I would suggest "you suck" only when we are winning and "Go Blue" when we are tied or losing.
In the actual song, the "you suck" part is either
I was alone
I should have known, you were temptation
born to be kissed
I can't resist, you are temptation
Something tells me we won't be hearing the students chanting either of these any time soon.
A couple of my friends have actually sang those lyrics in the student section during temptation. It has never caught on. I for one will continue to do the You Suck.
I don't know, chanting, "You were, born to be kissed, I can't resist, you are temptation!" would really confuse the opposing team. And I like that.
I don't like 'you suck' but it does sound right with the tune. "Go blue" doesn't fit the music. The 2nd word has to end in a consonant. Hoke smash might work until hoke retires. "Nice Stop" would work but it's kinda hearts and smileys.
I vote for "4th Down!" because temptation is usually played after a 3rd down stop, and it's easily changed to "1st Down!" after a 4th down stop.
Students chanting "You Punt" will not end well...
I like the different variations that may come of it!
I've always hate the "You Suck" chant. Not only is it crass and unclever, but when the team we are playing has been smoking us all game and we finally get a third down stop, seems a little ridiculous to tell the other team they suck.
In that situation.
is a very sad avatar.
We have season tickets and get to every game. My least enjoyable part of my game experience is the "You Suck" chant..........especially if we're not playing like rock stars ourselves. Hoke smash doesn't sound much better and after a couple hours of tailgating it could easily come out as "Smoke Hash". Keep it simple, "Go Blue" or "Too Bad" .
The "You suck" chant following Temptation has been around since 2002? I don't ever remember hearing it until 2006 in back to back to back games against Iowa, Northwestern and Brady Hoke's Ball State team.
The hot dog man was really popular with the students in those games as well.
That was my first year having a student season ticket, and we were doing it. But it took about a year or two afterwards to get people to stop doing the tomahawk chop thingie and start doing the claw. The students, anyway. I think they've reverted a bit since then.
I think you're misremembering. 2002 was my senior year and I definitely do not remember anyone chanting "You suck." It's more recent than that. I remember hearing it for the first time a few years after I graduated.
Do you happen to have an un-WH'd version of the 2003 ND game? My working hypothesis is that the 38-0 beatdown Michigan laid on ND caused the YSC to arise organically because it was a dominating win over a traditional rival.
The crowd is *loud* on the first drive of that 2nd half, too. I have to imagine that - if you were listening - you'd start to hear the first strains of "You Suck" right as your vid cuts to Michigan's first second-half drive.
Edit: I can confirm that you're right on the nail with Hot Dog Man being at (and being popular at) that Ball State game that was way closer than it should've been. Unfortunately, that was also his last appearance, as he got hauled away and, presumably, threatened? Anyway, excellent historian-work!
As much as the chant is low life, it sometimes is stupid, as in those instances over the last few years when we were down by three or four T's and we're telling the other team that they suck.
I don't know about you guys, but something about yelling "WHO SUCKS?" in the pause between the last and the penultimate "YOU SUCK" really hits the spot.
Somebody just brought up a good point. Will we still be saying "You suck!" to Air Force when we play them next year? That's just all sorts of wrong.
It's better if we change it now because there's no way everybody is going to suddenly change it for one game.
Trying to change a tradition (even if a more recent one) is ridiculous. It's something that obviously has stuck across 8 years of classes coming in. That's quite a testament in todays fast change environment.
Go Blue would be fine, but I think it needs something more impactful at the end other than just yelling Go Blue. How about:
Gooooooo Bluuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuue, Go Bluuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuue
Gooooo Bluuuuuuuuuuuuuue, Gooooo Bluuuuuuuuuuuuue, Gooooo Bluuuuuuuuuuue
Not as bad as Texas, where the WHOLE STADIUM (kids and adults alike) sings "Texas Fight" with the words, "Give 'em hell, give 'em hell, make 'em eat shit!"
I go to at least one UT game a year. Obviously not a UT fan, but I live here and the tickets are good and free. Every time UT starts their "Texas, Fight" song, I start yelling, "what's with all the fighting? Can't we all just get along?" The guy who gets me the tickets loves me at that moment.
I got a similar reaction when I started singing "I've been working on the railroad" during "Eyes of Texas"
Instead of "you suck" they use to yell "defense" My daughter told me that it changed about ten years ago when she was a sophmore. I like the original "defense"
That's better than "Go Blue". Don't get me wrong, I love Go Blue in everything else, but trying to chant it over Temptation seems to stretch it thin a bit.
then they try and kill "you suck". Just need to update the cheer for the 21st century. "Hoke smash" is not doing it for me. "Dwerp Dwerp"?
You're right, "You suck" is far too crass and ungentlemanly. I humbly submit we replace the cheer in question with a hearty "Our esteemed opponents, your attempts to obtain the requisite yards for a first down have come to nought!"
Also, the "chop" motion causes me to spill my Perrier. A pox upon it!
yelling "you suck" with 113,000 other people is pretty fun. I don't care if you think "we're above it" and frankly, chanting hoke smash is stupid. would you sing "hoooooke smaaaaaash, hooooke smaaaash"? I gave that 4 lames out of 5 and I will continue to yell "you suck" anyway (unless we're losing)
Let's just give it all up and play the 'penis' game on 4th downs.
Sorry, wrong thread.
but my bet is it only lasts for this one game and then everyone else continues to do the You Suck chant.
As people have pointed, "You Suck" is not near as vulger as what other schools chant.
I up voted for changing the "you suck" and down voted for changing it to "Hoke Smash".
When I was a child, my father brought me to Michigan Stadium. We sat in Section 11. When the officials made a particularly bad call, the student section would rather loudly chant, "Buuullllll Sh!t." Like the cleaning lady who had sex with Costanza on his desk dreamed of cashmere, I too, had a dream. My dream was to go to school at the University of Michigan, get student tickets, and be able to participate in the B.S. cheer. Sadly, by the time I made it to school, the chant had been wiped out. Throwing toilet paper on the field after TDs was another tradition from the 70's that I had dreamed of that didn't make it to the late 80's. Instead, we got marshmallows, which were OK until people started putting pennies inside them. But I digress. I really am of two minds about the whole You Suck cheer. My inner 7-year-old child likes it, my 41 year-old mind doesn't. I have become a blue hair. FML.
that ended when we got turf instead of real grass. But it was great fun in the stands.
If everyone else in the stadium started the Go Blue thing, it would eventually catch on with the students. This is something that the 90% of non-students in the stadium on any given Saturday could have done years and years ago. If you're at the games, and you think the "you suck" is lame and juvenile, shout "Go Blue!" at the end. I bet by the end of the game you won't be the only person in your section doing it.
But no it wouldn't. The students are gonna do their own thing.
That might be true at a place like Wisconsin (where the school has tried unsuccessfully for years to get them to stop chanting "Eat Shit!" "Fuck You"), but our students aren't mindless rebels. When the university pushed for people to stop throwing marshmallows after we went to Fieldturf, the students cooperated immediately. If the other 80% of the crowd is chanting one thing, the students will come around to it. To chant something else (and thus garble everything up) would just be counterproductive.
Good luck getting those old folks who won't stand, wear maize, or help us start the wave to actually yell something that doesn't involve getting other people to sit down.
Not only sucks itself but lacks imagination... "Hoke Smash" is an upgrade but not by much..
Me likey "Defense" though!
Try it on. My daughter even likes it.
This is so stupid.
The best part is when people totally fail at the arm movement. Like when they go way too fast or their arm is up when the whole student section is down. Like really? Is it that hard for you to keep a rythym?
Where I'm from we call those people "innovators."
Given that "Temptation" is also played at basketball and hockey games, the chant can't be football-specific.
I do think it should be something different than "You suck" though. If it were "Go Blue!" I think you'd hear the entire stadium chant it, instead of just the students.
It will be classier and less offensive to the great unwashed. /s
Switching from "you suck" will definitely happen if, instead of playing temptation, they blare "In the Big House" each time. That would have some here begging for the revised temptation.
I think "go blue" is better than "Hoke Smash" as well. If we want a new longstanding tradition, it should be transcendent of who is coaching at the time. Even if we had the next JoePa, it may not be a good idea.
is really lame, anything would be an improvment
same people who complain about standing up during games are now complaining about the chants!?!? give me a break. Let the students have fun and you lame fans should just go watch tennis if you cant handle a real man's sport.
but I have a hard time getting all pissy about a "you suck" chant. I can't help but yell all sorts of profanity following our weekly silly fumble so it' s not like the people around me are going to have a much less explicit experience if I stop saying "suck". It's a college football game for fuck's sake.
I can't believe I just wasted time reading all these posts. Do you think it really matters Russ? Who gives a rip about what is said after the song? Just looking for Ws. Let's go back to complaing about the piped in music because that really matters too.
I've never understood why "You Suck" is so offensive or "lame." If you watch network television after 7PM on a weeknight, there is zero reason to take offense to the phrase "you suck."
instead on "you suck". we should substitute "suck my balls fool ass bitch". They're pretty advanced for 4th grade twins.
That's what I've been saying for years.
Scumbag Michigan fan:
Hates "You suck!" chant due to being unoriginal and unimaginative.
Suggests "Go Blue!" as replacement.
yeah "you suck" is beat. that chant didn't exist when I went to UM in the lat 80s and early 90s. not sure who came up with it but it's a tasteless representation of our school. wish it changed.
why the negbang? This is a fantastic idea and so much better than "You Suck" on so many levels. What would it take to make the change effective - that might be near impossible. However, if there are 600 people who follow the "Hoke Smash", I bet others would pick up on it. It is much more fun, more original, and the Hoke-shirt-rip-ARRGGHHH would be beautifully odd.
Don't go to a UM hockey game. You've been warned. :)
a lot of the nebraska fans i talked to yesterday really thought the you suck chant was classless