This list makes me laugh for some reason.
this may be of some local interest
This list makes me laugh for some reason.
Because Bobby Petrino is somehow ranked 8th?
When I first saw the list, the thing that first jumped out to me was Bobby Petrino. Bobby Petrino?!? The same lying, cheating, cold deadbeating, two-timing, double dealing Bobby Petrino? Quitter and adulterer Bobby Petrino?? In what world is he a better coach than Brady Hoke. I'm sorry, but that's bullshit.
Scandal and loyalty issues aside. Bobby Petrino did take two struggling programs and built them into BCS bowl contenders in 4 years.
Prior to Petrino:
Last season w/ Petrino:
Prior to Petrino:
Last season w/ Petrino:
I don't know if I'd say Louisville was struggling when Petrino took over. Yeah, he's a running joke now, but John L Smith was a solid coach for the Cards. The two years before that 7-6 season, they went 9-3 and 11-2 with conference championships both years. He took over a program in pretty good shape. Arkansas wasn't in terrible shape either before he took over. They were only a year removed from going 7-1 in the SEC. I don't think Petrino is a bad coach, he'll probably do fine but he didn't inherit tire fires in his previous jobs. They were both pretty stable programs.
Am I the only one who caught that he quoted Patty Loveless?
I was initially just rattling off insults that I thought fit Petrino, then I realized I was essentially trying to reinvent the wheel, for no reason. Patty's already done the work for me.
Actually, Harlan Howard and Kostas Lazarides did the work. I don't know if Loveless even has any originals in the "food chain."
Cuz, obviously, Brady is #1...
Athlon made the list. blame them.
They are sandbagging Brady Hoke so they can keep singing the theme song for a few more years.
Not sure how Frank Beamer makes the top ten right now.
He had won 10+ games for eight straight years with thoroughly average talent. One 7-6 season isn't enough to convince me that he and/or his staff still aren't top 10
Well, Brady is 2-0 against Fitzgerald...so there's that...
Obviously he does not have the same repertoire to work with as Hoke. How is Petrino up there? And some of those coaches (Beamer) are living off past reputation. If that's the case then Mack Brown should be in the top ten. I think Hoke is top ten for current coaches considering where the program was when he inherited it.
That's not really true. There are plenty of programs that make hay without much star power- in the Big Ten, Wisconsin and Iowa being prime examples. ANd some coaches can squander all the talent in the world because they don't know what the hell they're doing. Look at all the NFL talent Zook recruited, then see how he did on the field.
when they leave John L. off their list.
I can't see how Hoke isn't top five, or at least top ten. He won a BCS bowl in his first year and has put together monster recruiting classes.
God, I hope Hoke just fucking destroys all the coaches ahead of him on this list in the next few years.
In ten years of head coaching experience, he hasn't produced a conference champion yet (in MAC for six years, MWC for two, B1G for two). Yes, ice cream, healed the Michigan family, amazing recruiter, etc., but conference championships are a pretty decent measuring stick.
Interesting that Dantonio's not on that list. He must be laying in the weeds.
Dantonio is ranked #26.
Ahead of Bill O'Brien and Mack Brown.
Sorry, but Mack Brown isn't really a good coach.
What do they mean by "for 2013?"
They come out with a new ranking every year.
I stopped reading when I saw Chris Petersen in the top-10.
Give me a headset and some cheese and I could get double digit wins every year with their schedule.
But I'm gonna go ahead and take my grain of salt with that until you explain what you're going to do with the cheese.
He gets football players to actually live in Idaho for 4 years and a school I've never heard of in the professional/academic world
David Shaw needs to be on there. Stanford hasn't taken one step backwards after Harbaugh left
Shaw's all the way down at #20.
Give it time.
So I don't have to give that website any more views. Bobby Petrino might be the best "coach" in the universe but if you can't hold a job I don't think you deserve to be on any lists.
I updated the OP to include the top 50. They don't have a straight list so there's nothing to copy and paste unless you wanted descriptions for each coach. I stopped at 50 because I don't care to type out all 125. So if anyone wants to see who the worst coaches are but are too lazy to click the link, I can't help you.
How does this turnip head crack the top 5?!? Total Garbage...
I'd say he's more of a beet head.
Brian Kelly is a colossal ass but he is also a really successful (read: wins lots of games) head football coach. He killed it a GVSU, CMU, Cincinnati and is now doing so at ND. I despise the guy as he is a pretty sorry excuse for a human being but he is a hell of a good football coach.
So is Urban Meyer btw.
(Steps into fireproof suit and awaits inevitable "flamebait"/"trolling" neg fest.)
I think Charlie Strong should be in the top 10.
Why? One good season at Louisville in the sh*tty Big East qualifies someone for the Top 10?
He also stole James Quick from OSU!
That Scott Shafer took over at Syracuse until today. Great that he (105) is one ahead of Weis!
I don't know why, but it just irks me to see Pat Fitzgerald so high. Especially above Hoke.
He absolutely should be high, he's a GREAT coach. He's getting it done at Northwestern. He built that program after it fell from it's prominance in the mid-90's. But should he be about Hoke? Hell no. Fitz is a great coach though, definitely top 3 with Hoke and Meyer. Just behind both.
I hope you are not forgetting or dismissing what Randy Walker did for the NU program between the late 90's and Coach Fitz.
NU won a share of the Big Ten title under Walker and has not approached that same level under Fitz just yet.
Randy Walker built the foundation of what is now the NU offense and conditioning program. The strength of the NU football program since 2000 has been QBs and RBs functioning inside a spread rushing offense. Fitz was the D coordinator of some pretty poor defenses that are still lacking today compared to the offense run by Kolter/Mark and that offense has been good for a long time before Fitz had any responsibility for the offensive side of the ball.
I personally like Pat Fitzgerald a lot as a person. He has helped me out in some tough situations. I suspect his players like him more as a person than they liked Walker. Objectively, I do not think he is a better head coach than Brady Hoke or many others listed near the top.
How does this compare to last year?
The classiest and best coach in this group is Bill Snyder.
In the words of today's youth (I think)...
"If (Hoke) ain numba 1, I'on respek it."
Who in the hell talks like that?
U O E N O???
Listen to some of today's rappers. The make Mushmouth sound like Patrick Stewart.
Kelly may be a hot head and our rival's head coach but he's a damn good one. He has won every single school he has coached don't be biased annoying homers folks
RR owned the Big East until he left. That was when Kelley started rocking it at Cinncy. As bad as RR was here he never lost to Kelley. ND only got the better of us last year because of turnovers. We gave up 6 TOs and only lost by a TD. When we gave up that many to Weiss in 08 at least he was able to capitilize in it. Kelley can't even manage to keep his team together.
1. Nick Saban
2. Urban Meyer
3. Brian Kelly
4. Chris Petersen
5. Bill Synder
6. Brady Hoke
7. Kevin Sumlin
8. Charlie Strong
9. David Shaw
10. Steve Spurrier
11. Bob Stoops
12. Gary Patterson
13. Mark Richt
14. Pat Fitzgerald
15. Art Briles
Poor Kiffy Kins!
Nobody bringing up Les Miles at #24? I know he's kind of an oaf, but he wins football games. I'd have him in my top ten.
to be down at 24.
Is the only reason Miles wins at all. Without him 8-5. Miles can't coach his way out of a wet paper bag with a hole in it already. He is a face...look at our zany coach. His Bo Schembecler schtick is tiresome. He isn't Bo...Bo was a coach. Les is Gomer Pyle with a headset on. For my money...give me Mark Hudspeth...the next rock star coach once an SEC team opens their wallet. That man knows how to motivate...without sounding like a complete imbecile and his offense actually works. Les is always...less.
People said the same thing about Les when Polini was there, and he's been jus as good without him. Almost no coach has won as many games since Miles has been at LSU as he has.
My thoughts exactly. Not sure how they can justify that ranking... apparently they're not basing these rankings on actual 'winning'.
But what justifies Rodriguez being ahead of him? Miles has a title and has never lead a prestigious national power program to consecutive losing seasons. No axe to grind here, just speaking matter-of-factly.
Also, Kelly is a good coach, but Spurrier is better.
I thought that was bullshit too. One way to determine if one coach is "better" than the other is to imagine them switching jobs and how the media/fans would react.
If Les Miles left for Arizona, and Rich Rod left for LSU, not only would the media do a collective "WTF", I'm pretty sure Zona fans would be ecstatic and LSU fans would be livid.
Rich rod ahead of les miles... That's funny
Limiting it to just the Big Ten, here's how Athlon ranked them within the confines of the conference:
In 2012 (then 2013 rank):
1) Urban Meyer (still first in 2013)
2) Brady Hoke (fell to 3rd in 2013)
3) Mark Dantonio (fell to 4th in 2013)
4) Pat Fitzgerald (rose to 2nd in 2013)
5) Bret Bielema (Gary Anderson, his replacement, is 6th this year)
6) Kirk Ferentz (fell to 8th in 2013)
7) Bo Pelini (holds steady at 7th in 2013)
8) Jerry Kill (fell to 9th in 2013)
9) Tim Beckman (fell to 12th in 2013)
10) Danny Hope (Darrell Hazell, his replacement, is 10th this year)
11) Bill O'Brien (rose to 5th in 2013)
12) Kevin Wilson (rose to 11th in 2013)
Easily a top 25 coach..that offense...THAT OFFENSE!!
also, Dana probably bet the under on his ranking
How about Frank Solich and the job he has done at OHIO? I think he gets no respect even though he is putting together winning season after winning season at a school that was so historically dreadful. I guess winning with nothing doesn't make you as good as some of these guys who are seemingly pulling the trigger on a loaded gun.
Every single coach they ranked ahead of Hoke has coached at a BCS-level school for longer than Hoke has. I'd say he's doing something right.
One national title alone means he'll probably be in the top ten on these lists for the rest of his career. And they can make Meyer #1 and put Hoke at #100 for all I care so long as we beat them this year.
The entire editorial staff that voted comes from states bordering Ohio and SEC country.
Has anyone on their staff ever heard of regional bias?
Or have they heard about the difference between past performance and future expectations?
If I buy a stock, I don't just look at how long it's been around and how it did years ago. In a coach that's also a mistake, since a lot of the coaches listed highly will soon or already have shown evidence of burnout (just look at Meyer's recent yrs at Fla).
Rather, as when I look at stocks, I try to evaluate indicators of future performance--which in football would include the capacity to turn arouind programs and recruit. .
Frankly, I wouldn't trade Brady for any of those coaches on the list.
Of the coaches not already mentioned, I think Bill O'Brien is too highly ranked. He did an ok job last year, but it's not like Penn St. played a difficult schedule.
I don't normally respond to my own posts, but I feel compelled by embarrassment to do so and to let my original post stand as a testament to my shame. Apparently Athlon has Bill O'Brien ranked not too high, but at least 25 spots too low. He should be top three at least. I happend upon a post at BSD that included the following:
I am hard pressed to think of anyone who could have done what Bill O'Brien has accomplished thus far. Given the talent that Alabama or tOSU or Oregon has, Bill O'Brien would have been hoisting the MNC trophy... no doubt in my mind. And there is no reason to believe that we won't be hoisting it in the near future.
It does just sound like a homer that all fanbases have, and his user name is I_BILLieve, but there were four people who responded to the post. One said he agreed, two said they couldn't agree more, and the last said he agreed 100%. I guess they have a new idol to worship at PSU.