I think Ferentz should be ahead of Bielema, Fitzgerald, and Dantonio.
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I think Ferentz should be ahead of Bielema, Fitzgerald, and Dantonio.
I see Ferentz ranked as the third (if not tied with Fitzgearld)best in the B1G.
His stock has been dropping over the past few years with some lackluster teams. If this was back in the mid 2000s, Ferentz is a lock for the third place. Now though, Sparty and Wisky have turned in better seasons recently and on a repeated basis.
I imagine it's based off previous accomplishments.
that put's Hoke in the bottom half, no?
Granted he has only coached one season at Michigan but he went 11-2 and won a BCS bowl. How would that put him in the bottom half? I'm not saying it garners a #2 but bottom half, no way.
I know this might sound like homerism but I would take Hoke over anyone in the country. He will keep proving it as time goes on.
Hoke has won three Coach of the Year awards in the past four seasons - in three different conferences. There is no way you could put him in the bottom half.
He does have probably the second best resume in all of college football presently...
The guy has 2 national titles.
wiythout ever having coached at PSU.
on WHAT basis do they rank Urban Meyer who hasnt coached ONE SINGLE GAME as the top Big10 coach??? We will see how good a coach he is when hes not able to Cheat an Lie while under scrunity at OLIEO ST
2 National Championships? Obviously there are questions about his ethics but you can't deny that he is a good coach and has them. On what basis should anyone be above him? Just sayin'.
If you're a good coach it doesn't matter if you coached last week or last year. It's something that doesn't just disappear over night. The guy turned Utah into a great program when he was there and won 2 NTs in the SEC.
This is MGoBlog not MLive
2 National titles and 2 conference titles in the best conference in college football.
The Big Ten is not special.
I would say the reason he doesn't win the B1G this year would be the fact that they aren't allowed to due to the postseason ban...
You should probably sit a few plays out.
With Tressel and JoePa gone Meyer has 2 more national titles to his name than all the other B1G head coaches combined. Other than moving Ferentz above and Bielema right behind Dantonio I think this list is pretty legit.
That they are giving Meyer credit for his past successes at Utah and Florida. If that's what they are doing, then fine. He's got the hardware to back it up, though It does feel strange that a coach can be ranked #1 in a conference in which he hasn't coached a game. But then again, Hoke is #2 when he's only coached one full season, albeit a pretty successful one. Can't wait to see the top 3 settle this on the field...
Meyer also won at BGSU- which itself is an accomplishment- with 8-3 and 9-3 records before bolting for Utah.
Hoke really is probably too high at this point based on accomplishments. I think he can/will end up as the best coach of all of these guys but he has A LOT to prove even after the Sugar Bowl victory. Bielema has 2 Rose Bowl appearances (no wins I know) and won the B1G last year and has had a share before (this does not mean that he is not a douche). Take us to the Rose Bowl this year Brady and I will happily annoint you top of the B1G.
When I take the homer hat off, Hoke should not be number 2. Bielema should be given more credit than he is getting.
My guess is that they're giving Hoke's record more weight than Bielema's because he turned around two historically downtrodden programs and a third that was in the midst of its roughest stretch in history, winning two coach of the year awards in the process. Wisconsin, though it's not Michigan or Ohio State, is not a super-difficult place to win at. Bielema took over a program that Barry Alvarez had left in pretty good shape. Also, Hoke has taken Michigan's already excellent recruiting up a notch, whereas Bielema has never been known as a great recruiter. But yeah, it would still be a reasonable list if Bielema were ranked #2 instead of Hoke.
If we take off our maize and blue glasses, it's hard to dispute that no one else in the conference has a resume anywhere near as stellar as Meyer's.
There are not enough teams in the B1G to accurately show how low Danny Hope should be.
but only because Ron Zook isn't around anymore...Hope would've been Zook'd on that list IMO.
Athlon would've put Zook at number 8 but he would've called them and said he'd rather be number 10.
1. Hoke (Tremendous!)
2. Bret Bielema (Wis)
3. Kirk Ferentz (Iowa)
4. Pat Fitzgerald (NU)
5. Bo Pelini (Neb)
6. Meyer (OSU)
7. Dantonio (MSU)
8. Jerry Kill (MN)
9. Tim Beckman (IL)
10. Danny Hope (Purdue)
11. Bill O'Brien (PSU)
12. Kevin Wilson (IU)
You are sweet, but extremely high. You discount evening others have done? I also want to let to you know Bo is a horrible coach out here in Nebraska land. Go Blue!
"Considering he was born in Ohio, Hoke isn’t necessarily a Michigan Man."
Ah, yes. Where you were born is where the whole Michigan man thing is from. Someone better break the news to Bo that he's disqualified from being considered a Michigan man. I honestly don't expect everyone to know everything about U of M football, but if you're going to dare try to throw the our Michigan Man thing at us, try not to say something so damn ignorant.
Was thinking the same thing when I read that.
Yost was from WV and Crisler was born in IL. So yeah, there's those guys too.
I suspect Bielema is too highly ranked... it seemed like it was poor in-game coaching decisions that led to each of Wisconsin's losses last year, and that's not a new trend.
Bielema is undoubtedly too high. His game management/play calling has been atrocious in multiple high profile games in the past couple years. The TCU loss still irks me.
2 years in a row, which is better than any other coach has done. Getting the team set up to win a bunch of games and get to that goal, that's why he's being rewarded. He should be ahead of Dantonio and Fitzgerald (though he is a douche).
Bielema's had a fantastic record at Wisconsin. He's actually improved upon Barry Alvarez's work, which no one thought possible. He looks dumb but he's gotten results.
Beilema is a good coach with some impressive success, but using his record to prove it isn't the strongest argument. Wisconsin refuses to play a non-conference opponent with a pulse. They can automatically pencil in W's for the first four games of the season.
Aren't coaches ultimately evaluated on wins and losses? How can I evaluate him without looking at his record? Besides, Alvarez scheduled tons of cupcakes, too.
Beilema is a good coach with some impressive success, but using his record to prove it isn't the strongest argument.
You can make this argument for a guy like Hoke when he was in the apples/oranges situation of coaching at BSU/SDSU, but in Bielema's case, his entire head coaching career has been at Wisconsin. His record is a fairer metric than subjective things like judging his play calling.
Bielema looks dumb as a rock sometimes but he still takes very average recruiting classes and makes them into B1G contenders almost every year
I just want to make sure they are qualified (e.g., their ranking is high enough) to make this ranking.
Oh, that's right! Anyone can make a ranking about anything. Never mind.
Jerry Kill at 8? I didn't realize his previous records were so good. He really had a RR-esque first season for Minny.
He took a team that was thought to be maybe the worst B1G team ever and nearly beat USC and MSU while stealing games against Iowa and Illinois all while dealing with the whole seizure issue.
I hope this doesn't seem too harsh and I always get killed for it on this board, but I hate when people boost other peoples accomplishments because they did it while overcoming some health issues.
but don't you think the threat of keeling over at any point takes a toll on your psyche in an already stressful environment? On top of that, any hour he spends with a doctor is an hour away from Minnesota football.
That's kind of my point here. It is his own stupid choice to keep running out there knowing he could. Why should that help boost his accomplishments? If anything it is a poor choice on his part. That's my opinion and I am kind of an odd fellow.
So, just because you have a health problem, you should give up on all of your dreams and aspirations? And, an accomplishment in the face of significant adversity shouldn't be valued any more than the same accomplishment without having to deal with any adversity?
Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.
Somebody came to the door collecting money for the Special Olympics, and His Dudeness was like, "I don't get it."
It's Minnesota. In order for a RR-esque season to happen, the past few years had to have been good/great and then go sucky. I'm very interested to see what he's going to do over the next couple of years there for them
Tim Brewster didn't just leave the cupboard bare, he left that program in a state of full-blown disarray. Given the mess that Kill inherited, his 3-9 record was actually mildly surprising since it includes wins over Iowa and Illinois along with close road losses to USC and MSU. If you watched Minnesota at all last year, you noticed that they improved as the season went on (unlike Rich Rod's 3-9 team, which pretty much quit on him by the end of the season). Also, Kill has a pretty solid track record from his stints at Northern and Southern Illinois.
Any Meyer is not a good coach comment is just silly.
Sure argue Hoke may be better- and arguement may be made. But Meyer has a NC, success everywhere he's been, and is a terrific recruiter and will be great at OSU- maybe not te best- but becasue he hasn't coached in the Big Ten yet means nothing about how good of a coach he is.
Poor Danny Hope, placed behind Tim Beckman (who hasn't yet coached a B1G game).
He's still too high. He should be ranked dead last.
Danny Hope is not "poor" anything. He just sucks.
Many factors play into just how successful a coach is at any school.
It then goes on to rank a coach who does not have an "is at any school" in regards to the Big 10. In fact, prior success was the very last thing mentioned, and then they follow that up by letting us know that Yost and Bo, among others, were not Michigan Men.
I find it hard to take this seriously. We can and do find better content here almost daily. I'll put this right up there with the other rags putting together fluff and nonsense in the hopes of garnering a click and comment or two.
I don't always read superflerous coach rankings, but when I do, I prefer Athlon Sports.
Seriously though, what is this website? I've never actually heard of it before. Is it just a Bleacher Report redux or have I been missing out on an additional news source for a while now?
Seriously. Please tell me you are not that clueless or ignorant. Athlon has been producing sports annuals since before the internet. There pre-season previews and rankings used to be one of the main ways that you prepared for the college football season. When the Athlon pre-season guide hit the shelf it meant that football season was almost about to start and it was how you briefed yourself on every team in college football. There would be a multi-page spread for the top 25 teams and one page write ups for the rest of D1 football.
I will begrudgingly admit ignorance here. I honestly hadn't heard (or at least recognized) the name before. I'm on the younger end of the MGoBlog spectrum (Current UM student), for the duration of my college football I have subsisted off the internet (blogs and such) and ESPN for my pre-season needs. I just kind of assumed with the asinine "Brady Hoke was born in Ohio and thus is not a Michigan Man" comment (and the generally stupid nature of the list, in my opinion) that they didn't really know what they were talking about.
I will respectably remove myself from your lawn now.
and I still buy it every year. Its nice to keep it in the van and use for quick referencing teams and schedules.
Wow, that's a great question. A tough one, though; what does one gauge his response on? Physical prowess? Keen deductive skills? The ability to banter well with super villains?
Mallrats auto-plus one. I would give you another because its Brodie, but I can't. :(
I have all sorts of problems with this list. How can you say that Dantonio (zero BCS bowls, zero AP top 10 finishes) and Fitzgerald (zero BCS bowls, zero top 25 finishes) are ahead of Beilema (2 BCS bowls, 4 AP top ten finishes) and Kirk Ferentz (2 BCS bowls, one win, 4 AP top ten finishes). Frankly it should be Meyer, Ferentz, Bielema, Hoke, then whomever. I realize that Ferentz isn't lighting the world on fire but in a conference with some unproven coaches he's done pretty damn good.
I'm fine with these rankings.
Urban being ranked tops with his body of work at Utah, Florida is correct.
Hoke taking Michigan to a Sugar Bowl win in his first year, with the recruiting success he has had is a fine #2.
Stopped looking at the list after Hoke. I think we will truly be back to the Big2 in the next few years
That the scandal at Penn State never happened, and Joe Pa was still coaching, where would you guys say he ranks on that list?
At least six feet under Kevin Wilson...
I will never understand the love for Kirk Ferentz. He is one of the most overrated and overpaid coaches in the game.
He's winning at a .593 clip at Iowa, that's pretty impressive. Hayden Fry was only marginally better at .613, and he's a hall of famer with a ton of respect in the football world.
He's also only one bowl win behind Fry, and one Big Ten championship back as well, even forgetting that Fry had nineteen years and Ferentz has had eleven.
His last seven seasons are
7-5, 6-7, 6-6, 9-4, 11-2, 8-5, 7-6. Are those results worth 3 million per year? I realize he had a nice run in the early 2000s, but he's done just about nothing lately.
Iowa probably shouldn't be paying him three million, but he's won two conference titles (and an Orange Bowl in 2009) at...Iowa. If he has a winning record with a 2009-like season when the cards align, that's a pretty damn good coaching job, IMO.
Pat Fitzgerald could be the best coach in the conference and we would probably never know it because Northwestern has a ton of institutional roadblocks that seperate it from M/PSU/UNL/Ohio. Context matters a lot, and Iowa isn't anyones ideal coaching situation.
By this rationale, Hayden Frye is the best coach in Big Ten History, given that his career record at Iowa, over a longer period, is better than Ferentz's.
I made no claim that Ferentz was the top coach in the Big Ten at the moment, let alone that Fry could claim to be the best all time because he did a better job than Ferentz does. I said that Ferentz did a "hell of a job" keeping Iowa respectable each year with a big season in the cards every four or five years, which I think is true given Iowa's place on the Big Ten foodchain.
I went on to say that Fitzgerald could be the best coach in conference, but we would never know because he has his hands tied behind his back in a lot of ways. Pacquiao will never beat Klitschko, but he could be the better boxer.
Keep in mind that most of Hayden Fry's accomplishments are from before the 85 scholarship limit brought more parity to the league. Given the fact that he had to go up against Bo and Woody during an era in which there were few restrictions aimed at leveling the playing field, Fry's record is probably more impressive than it seems now. I'm not saying you're wrong, just that differences in the landscape between now and Fry's time are a factor to consider in comparing Ferentz's record with Fry's.
It's so weird seeing an unfamiliar name next to "PSU". I completely forgot the guy's name.
I did a double-take at that too. It'll be even weirer this fall watching Penn State take the field behind some random middle-aged dude who doesn't even wear glasses.
Wasn't Bielema putting it to Erin Andrews? Thats worth something.....
He hasn't even coached a damn game yet!!!
I cannot wait to see OSU fans when Meyer loses 2 of the first 4 games!
I don't understand how not having coached a game in the Big Ten excludes Meyer from being the top coach. I definitely don't know how anyone can rank him 6th, as one assanine list did in this thread. Under this logic, Nick Saban wouldn't be the best coach in the Big East if he chose to bolt Bama for UConn (he would be by a landslide). I hate OSU as much as the next guy but let's not be silly here. The guy has won a ton everywhere he has been and I have no problem with him being ranked #1 at this point, new guy or not.
Fitzgerald is underrated. What he is able to consistently do at Northwestern ... Northwestern ... is amazing.
At first I was all... "THE HELL, MEYER HASN'T COACHED YET" ... but the author is correct. He has the most complete resume of any B1G coach and deserves to be on top. Hoke will just have to earn that spot.
Danny Hope sucks ("junior high school, no class asshole"); he should be ranked last. I might swap Bielema and Fitzgerald. Other than that, it seems like a pretty reasonable list.
"Considering he was born in Ohio, Hoke isn’t necessarily a “Michigan Man.” "
Yeah, neither was Bo, Yost and a slew of others. Don't wait for the Pulitzer.
I appoligize, normally I don't get this fired up on here.