Home
we had subs it was crazy

Primary links

  • About
    • $upport (lol)
    • Ethics
    • FAQ
    • Privacy Policy
  • Contact
  • MGoStore
  • MGoBoard
    • MGoBoard FAQ
    • Ticket spreadsheet
    • Michigan bar locator
    • Moderator Action Sticky
  • Useful Stuff
    • Depth Chart By Class
    • Unofficial Two Deep
    • 2013 Offer Board
    • Crude Bug Tracking System
    • Third Down Stats
    • Diaries, Windows Live Writer, And You
    • Michigan Future Schedules
    • User-Curated HOF
    • 2013 Recruiting Board
    • Where To Eat In Ann Arbor
Home Forums MGoBoard

Navigation

  • Forums
  • Recent posts

User login

  • Create new account
  • Request new password

MGoElsewhere

  • @MGoBlog (Brian)
  • @aceanbender
  • @TomVH (Tom)
  • RSS Feed
  • iPhone App
  • Facebook profile
  • MGoKindle Store
  • mgo.licio.us
  • Brian @ TSB [Archive]
  • Brian @ AOL [Archive]
  • Sour Salty Bitter Sweet

Michigan Blogs

  • Big House Blog
  • Burgeoning Wolverine Star
  • Genuinely Sarcastic
  • Go Blue Michigan Wolverine
  • Holdin' The Rope
  • MGoFootball
  • MVictors
  • Maize 'n' Blue Nation
  • Maize 'n' Brew
  • Maize And Go Blue
  • Michigan Hockey Net
  • The Blog That Yost Built
  • The Hoover Street Rag
  • The M Block
  • The M Zone
  • The Wolverine Blog
  • Touch The Banner
  • UMGoBlog
  • UMHoops
  • UMTailgate
  • Wolverine Liberation Army

M On The Net

  • mgovideo
  • MGoBlue.com
  • Mike DeSimone
  • Recruiting Planet
  • The Wolverine
  • Go Blue Wolverine
  • Winged Helmet
  • UMGoBlue.com
  • MaizeRage.org
  • Puckhead
  • The M Den
  • True Blue Fan Forum

Big Ten Blogs

  • Illinois
    • A Lion Eye
    • Hail To The Orange
    • Illinois Baseball Report
    • Illinois Loyalty
  • Indiana
    • Inside The Hall
    • The Crimson Quarry
  • Iowa
    • Black Heart, Gold Pants
    • Fight For Iowa
  • Michigan State
    • The Only Colors
  • Minnesota
    • GopherHole.com
    • The Daily Gopher
    • I'm In Love With A Fringe Bowl Team
    • TNABACG
  • Nebraska
    • Big Red Network
    • Corn Nation
    • Husker Mike's Blasphemy
    • Husker Gameday
  • Northwestern
    • Sippin' On Purple
    • Lake The Posts
  • Notre Dame
    • The House Rock Built
    • One Foot Down
  • Ohio State
    • Eleven Warriors
    • Buckeye Commentary
    • Men of the Scarlet and Gray
    • Our Honor Defend
    • The Buckeye Nine
  • Penn State
    • Slow States
    • Black Shoe Diaries
    • Happy Valley Hardball
    • Penn State Clips
    • Linebacker U
    • Nittany White Out
  • Purdue
    • Boiled Sports
    • Hammer and Rails
  • Wisconsin
    • Bruce Ciskie

Links of Note

  • Baseball
    • Big Ten Hardball
    • College Baseball Today
    • The Baseball Zealot
    • The College Baseball Blog
  • Basketball
    • Ken Pomeroy
    • Basketball Prospectus
    • Midmajority
  • College Hockey
    • Chris Heisenberg
    • College Hockey Stats
    • Inside College Hockey
    • Michigan College Hockey
    • Hockey's Future
    • Sioux Sports
    • USCHO
    • Western College Hockey
    • CCHA
      • LSSU Hockey
      • Bronco Hockey Blog
  • Football
    • Smart Football
    • Every Day Should Be Saturday
    • Doctor Saturday
    • CFB Stats
    • Harold Stassen
    • NCAA D-I Stats Page
    • The Wizard Of Odds
  • General
    • Sports Central
  • Local Interest
    • The Ann Arbor Chronicle
    • Arborwiki
    • Arbor Update
    • Teeter Talk
    • Vacuum
  • Teams Of The D
    • Lions
      • Pride of Detroit
      • Fire Millen
    • Pistons
      • Detroit Bad Boys
      • Need4Sheed
    • Tigers
      • Roar Of The Tigers
      • The Detroit Tigers Weblog
      • The Daily Fungo
    • Red Wings
      • On The Wings
      • Behind The Jersey
      • Winging It In Motown
    • Michigan Sports Forum

Archive

  • May 2013 (42)
  • April 2013 (94)
  • March 2013 (104)
  • February 2013 (81)
  • January 2013 (93)
  • December 2012 (74)
  • November 2012 (142)
  • October 2012 (143)
  • September 2012 (107)
  • August 2012 (103)
  •  
  • 1 of 11
  • ››

Get Yer Tickets

Football Display Case

NFL Watches

Follow your favorite team with localtv-satellite.com: Click Here.

Site Search

Diaries

  • New
  • Popular
  • Hot
  • More Milford Men Than Michigan Men: Comparing the 11-12 and 12-13 Hockey Teams
    MGoBlueline - 2 days ago
  • Future Non-Conference Opponent Recruiting Watch
    EGD - 4 days ago
  • Way Too Late B1G Men's Basketball Scheduling Idea
    BeileinBuddy - 5 days ago
  • The Blockhams in "HOCKEY HANGOVER"
    Six Zero - 1 week ago
  • MGoAcceptance: Another MGoAnecdote
    LSAClassOf2000 - 1 week ago
  •  
  • 1 of 4
  • ››
more
  • Big Ten Recruiting Rankings 5-15-13
    Ace - 1,447 views
  • Future Non-Conference Opponent Recruiting Watch
    EGD - 666 views
  • Way Too Late B1G Men's Basketball Scheduling Idea
    BeileinBuddy - 438 views
  • More Milford Men Than Michigan Men: Comparing the 11-12 and 12-13 Hockey Teams
    MGoBlueline - 400 views
  • Big Ten Recruiting Rankings 5-15-13
    Ace - 51 comments
  • Future Non-Conference Opponent Recruiting Watch
    EGD - 15 comments
  • The Blockhams in "HOCKEY HANGOVER"
    Six Zero - 13 comments
  • More Milford Men Than Michigan Men: Comparing the 11-12 and 12-13 Hockey Teams
    MGoBlueline - 6 comments

MGoBoard

  • New
  • Recent
  • Hot
  • OT: Game of Thrones
    35 replies
  • EDIT: Mods, delete - Simulataneous Thread Posting
    3 replies
  • Question about M receiving great Jim Smith
    24 replies
  • Rajin Cajuns Invade Ann Arbor for some Red Hot Softball
    20 replies
  • Tigers vs Rangers 5/19
    56 replies
  • Michigan Rowing Places Second at Big Ten Championships
    27 replies
  • Michigan Softball vs. Cal Open Thread
    75 replies
  • OT: Caption Contest - Preakness Fan
    33 replies
  • OT: Saturday Night Drinking/Open/Tigers Thread
    46 replies
  • B1G Network Helmet Bracket
    39 replies
  • Steve Everitt rips Notre Dame!
    54 replies
  • OT: IIHF Semifinal US vs Switzerland Open Thread
    3 replies
  • OT- happy World Whisk(e)y day everyone!
    45 replies
  • Michigan Baseball vs Nebraska on BTN Open Thread
    45 replies
  • Michigan Women's Tennis Swept by UCLA
    4 replies
  •  
  • 1 of 6
  • ››
  • OT: Game of Thrones
    35 replies
  • Tigers vs Rangers 5/19
    56 replies
  • Michigan Softball vs. Cal Open Thread
    75 replies
  • Question about M receiving great Jim Smith
    24 replies
  • Rajin Cajuns Invade Ann Arbor for some Red Hot Softball
    20 replies
  • EDIT: Mods, delete - Simulataneous Thread Posting
    3 replies
  • Michigan Rowing Places Second at Big Ten Championships
    27 replies
  • Marvin Robinson to FSU
    52 replies
  • OT: Caption Contest - Preakness Fan
    33 replies
  • OT: Ron English & Mike Hart to jump out of a plane for new EMU bathrooms
    41 replies
  • Steve Everitt rips Notre Dame!
    54 replies
  • OT: ESPN Mag/Insider special $5/Year
    28 replies
  • Michigan Baseball vs Nebraska on BTN Open Thread
    45 replies
  • B1G Network Helmet Bracket
    39 replies
  • OT- happy World Whisk(e)y day everyone!
    45 replies
  •  
  • 1 of 6
  • ››
  • OT: Red Wings vs. Blackhawks Open Thread
    201 replies
  • Shane Morris to wear the famed #7 jersey, J.J. McGrath #46
    175 replies
  • Jabrill Peppers Announcement Date Set
    169 replies
  • Brady Hoke Calls Notre Dame A Chicken
    163 replies
  • UM 2014 Conf schedule football
    123 replies
  • Brandon on Uniformzzz
    119 replies
  • OT: Red Wings @ Hawks Game 2 Open Thread
    113 replies
  • Notre Dame's Nix fires back at Coach Hoke
    110 replies
  • Alex Bars to Notre Dame
    96 replies
  • Sparty losing recruits to the rap game
    95 replies
  • PSU about to get blasted again by SI investigative report
    88 replies
  • Michigan Softball vs. Cal Open Thread
    75 replies
  • Michigan has #1 recruiting class on ESPN now.
    73 replies
  • OT: Advice on moving to Ann Arbor
    72 replies
  • Jay Harris (the rapping WR) had schollie pulled by MSU a month ago
    70 replies
  •  
  • 1 of 6
  • ››

mgo.licio.us

  • Big Ten football procrastinates on parity-based scheduling, and nothing ever changes

    the just released schedules were a flat-out statement that the B10 doesn't believe SOS will matter in playoff selection

    1 comments
  • Michigan's Glenn Robinson III, Mitch McGary ranked inside top 20 on ESPN's 2014 draft board

    but I thought that draft was supposed to be incredibly loaded?

    1 comments
  • Tim Hardaway Jr. turning heads, viewed as a first-rounder by some teams, analyst says

    If you're gonna go please be in the first round.

    0 comments
  • Michigan-Ohio State once, Indiana-Purdue once? The Big Ten has to protect its hoops rivalries

    another delightful side effect of a 14 team conference

    0 comments
  • Beilein on transfers: All should have to sit a year, regardless of situation

    I disagree.

    0 comments
  • Julie Hermann takes over as Rutgers AD, won't try to spend like Michigan

    GOOD PLAN

    1 comments
  • Jay Harris says no to Michigan State, decides to become a rapper

    hahahahaha

    0 comments
  • The Difference Between A Good Fan And A Bad Fan

    thoughtful piece from Jacobi on middle finger lady

    3 comments
  • Michigan's rising recruiting profile exciting John Beilein, who remains true to his scouting form

    Their high school coaches and AAU coaches have probably a better appreciation of Michigan than maybe they had before," Beilein said. "It's a tough balance right now. Tim Hardaway and Trey Burke weren't really high-profile players, nor was Darius Morris, and all were high-profile players. "We're still looking at 'who is the best fit.' "

    0 comments
  • Charles Barkley discusses Michael Jordan, Dream Team and more - NBA - Jack McCallum - SI.com

    "When I call somebody a midget, clearly I'm not trying to insult f---ing midgets. I'm just using basketball terminology."

    0 comments
  • Why does the NFL make for such bad media?

    robots

    0 comments
  • Pictured: Detroit's Robocop Statue nears completion date

    elsewhere in awesome things kickstarter made happen

    0 comments
  • Spectacular images of the madness that was the first FA Cup final

    And you think you're crowded at Michigan Stadium

    0 comments
  • Bear Vs. Monkey Bicycle Race Ends With Bear Eating Monkey

    IMPORTANT: Ondre Pipkins not involved.

    11 comments
  • Damon Bullock Has the Greatest Vine Account of All Time

    this is amazing

    7 comments

Article on Sandusky scandal from 7 months ago

28 posts / 0 new
Login or register to post comments
Last post
November 9th, 2011 at 5:32 PM
#1
FabFiver5
FabFiver5's picture
Joined: 09/24/2008
MGoPoints: 814
Article on Sandusky scandal from 7 months ago

From the looks of this April 3, 2011 article, almost everyone knew that Jerry Sandusky was into some dark, disturbing, disgusting things. The writer does seem to question the program and the actions of Paterno though.

The only question I have is that why, if everyone knew about it, was nothing done sooner?! Although we have a milion other Sandusky threads, I thought this was appropriate to show that this was an ongoing issue that everyone dragged their feet and shrugged their shoulders about in Happy Valley.

Best-case scenario: Charges are never brought, and Sandusky walks away with his reputation permanently scarred. The rumors, the jokes, the sideways glances - they won't ever stop. Paterno and Penn State do the great escape.

Worst-case scenario: Sandusky is charged. Then it seems reasonable to wonder: Did Penn State not make an issue of Sandusky's alleged behavior in 1998 in exchange for him walking away from the program at an age premature for most coaches? Did Penn State's considerable influence help get Sandusky off the hook?

http://www.timesonline.com/columnists/sports/mark_madden/madden-sandusky...

"That's tremendous, Jim."
Top
  • Login or register to post comments
Tags:
  • MGoBoard
  • abuse scandal
  • football
  • Jerry Sandusky
  • Joe Paterno
  • Penn State football
  • Penn State scandal
  • sexual assault

Comment viewing options

Select your preferred way to display the comments and click "Save settings" to activate your changes.
November 9th, 2011 at 5:36 PM | (Score:4 Normal)
yostlovesme
yostlovesme's picture
Joined: 01/13/2010
MGoPoints: 5518

They were waiting until 409

  • Login or register to post comments
November 9th, 2011 at 5:42 PM | It appears the writer had (Score:1)
mGrowOld
mGrowOld's picture
Joined: 10/04/2010
MGoPoints: 13159

It appears the writer had access to some of the Grand Jury's findings prior to Sandusky's arrest and the report's release.  Sounds like Sandusky's behavior was no big secret though and many knew of it even if they didn't actually...i dunno....DID ANYTHING about it.

What a shock.

 

 

  • Login or register to post comments
November 9th, 2011 at 6:00 PM | Wait, this has been in the media for seven months! (Score:2)
MadMonkey
MadMonkey's picture
Joined: 04/08/2010
MGoPoints: 1665

My outrage has just found another level regarding the university's handling of this matter.

Check out this part of the article:

"Don't kid yourself. That could happen. Don't underestimate the power of Paterno and Penn State in central Pennsylvania when it comes to politicians, the police and the media."

Your opinion has no value.

  • Login or register to post comments
November 9th, 2011 at 7:09 PM | Anyone else see the Red (Score:2)
Chunks the Hobo
Chunks the Hobo's picture
Joined: 07/22/2008
MGoPoints: 2127

Anyone else see the Red Riding Trilogy?

 

"To Central Pennsylvania, where we do what we want!"

Got a quarter?

  • Login or register to post comments
November 9th, 2011 at 6:01 PM | Did Yahoo sports ever release (Score:2)
UMfan21
Joined: 09/28/2009
MGoPoints: 1769

Did Yahoo sports ever release their other "Big story" this year?  I meant to ask and then this PSU story broke.  Is this the other big one?

  • Login or register to post comments
November 9th, 2011 at 6:13 PM | Yes they did, it was Miami. (Score:2)
WestMichiganMan
Joined: 09/28/2010
MGoPoints: 374

Yes they did, it was Miami.

  • Login or register to post comments
November 9th, 2011 at 6:40 PM | I asked this same question on (Score:1)
UMWest22
Joined: 10/26/2009
MGoPoints: 418

I asked this same question on another thread yesterday, and someone said that this (Miami) was an "8", whereas the big Yahoo story was supposed to be a "10"

  • Login or register to post comments
November 9th, 2011 at 6:25 PM | Here: http://sports.yahoo.c (Score:1)
a2bluefan
a2bluefan's picture
Joined: 12/29/2008
MGoPoints: 1802

Here:

http://sports.yahoo.com/investigations/news;_ylt=A2KJ3CYN_bpOPCAAXVVNbK5_?slug=cr-renegade_miami_booster_details_illicit_benefits_081611 

I automatically downvote "B1G"
  • Login or register to post comments
November 9th, 2011 at 6:08 PM | No coincedence (Score:2 Normal)
Steve in PA
Steve in PA's picture
Joined: 08/10/2009
MGoPoints: 2345

It is NOT a coincedence that it broke during PSU's bye week AFTER Joe won his magical xxxth game.  People worship the image of Paterno rather than the man.  He has a very carefully crafted public personna and the Homers by into it 100%.

 

 

  • Login or register to post comments
November 9th, 2011 at 6:20 PM | Incredible. (Score:2 Normal)
htownwolverine
htownwolverine's picture
Joined: 09/02/2009
MGoPoints: 3361

The JoePa myth is turning out to be a real farce. Him and his crocodile tears need to GTFO now.

Who is Jon Falk?
  • Login or register to post comments
November 9th, 2011 at 6:22 PM | It was a three year (Score:1)
Hokemania
Hokemania's picture
Joined: 03/11/2011
MGoPoints: 2139

It was a three year investigation if I'm not mistaken. The investigation/grand jury takes a long time. The police have had their eye on him for awhile though. In regards to how the Penn State administration could pretend like it's not happening is pretty shocking though. They must have known about the investigation and proceeded business as usual until their hand was forced. Did these people really think they could keep their jobs?

Whatcha gonna do, little brother?

  • Login or register to post comments
November 9th, 2011 at 6:33 PM | It seems obvious to me at least that...... (Score:1 Normal)
True Blue Grit
True Blue Grit's picture
Joined: 01/21/2011
MGoPoints: 1213

because Sandusky was a high-profile and liked PSU football coach who was a good friend of Joe Paterno, no one wanted to rock the boat.  Ultimately, everyone was trying to protect the precious reputation of the school and King Paterno - even at the exclusion of ethical behavior and protecting children from a known predator.  I have to think that if these crimes had been committed by some no-name assistant clerk who didn't know Paterno at all, action would have been taken much, much sooner. 

"You owe it to every man, woman, and child in the State of Michigan to beat the Buckeyes and silence their fans!  Now go out there and make it happen!"

- Bo Schembechler (Result: U-M 22  OSU 0)

  • Login or register to post comments
November 9th, 2011 at 8:13 PM | Sandusky was forced out, but not because of the allegations ... (Score:3 Insightful)
gobluesasquatch
Joined: 12/22/2008
MGoPoints: 379

It's been rumored for some time that Paterno and Sandusky were not that close, and that after his "resignation" that they were even less close.

When you consider the last few Penn St. defenses, 1994 - 1999, they were good, but not great. And that was with some stocked NFL talent. The defense in 1994 let them down and Indiana's 14 points in garbage time led a blowout win look closer than it was. That cost them #1 votes and they finished second, after allowing 28 points or 24 points to Oregon. 

The discussion at the time was that Sandusky was spending too much time with the Second Mile and not with coaching. How eerie is that to hear now. Joe had basically told him he wouldn't succeed him and that if he didn't focus more on football, he'd be gone. 

What's sad is the way the media, and blogs are so distorting this timeline to make Joe look awful. The media often says so and so was an heir apparent, and yes that is the view of the national media circa late 90s. But we've seen the story before where asst. coach X is the heir apparent to succeed coach Y, and it never happens. Never is considered. Sometimes coach Y doesn't even like coach X or want that. So the speculation that he was forced out and that Paterno knew is just that, sick, twisted speculation. 

Paterno and Sandusky were not close friends, that is well known. True Blue Grit, you seem to just weave a tale that there is little evidence for besides speculation. We still don't know much about the facts:

What was Paterno told by McQuery? What did Paterno tell his AD and more importantly why? What if anything did he know about previous allegations? What was Sandusky's role in the program (ie. football) after the 2002 allegations. Would Paterno even have the time to notice if Sandusky was around (besides on game day). We don't know that ... 

Another good point has been brought up is the generational gap. Oh, and lets not forget the horror of watching and then hearing about a graphic sexual act. Now McQuery can talk about it, but I know if I saw that, I'm not sure what I'd do, but at some point throwing up, screaming and being in a fetal position on the floor of my shower would probably occur. And yes, I'd call my dad to, wondering what the hell was wrong in this world. 

I'll say it again, and go ahead and neg away, we all want vengance for what has been done. Not justice, we've already moved beyond that, because we know that sometimes there isn't enough "justice" in our minds. We are in a lynch mob mentality, and the hit job article on SI about him facing criminal charges is nothing more than an opinion piece by someone not related to the case nor the AG's office. 

Hindsight is always so much easier to act. I'd like to see Paterno use some of his post coaching days talking about what happened, why he acted in the manner he did and use that as a lesson for others not to act the same way. I would not be surprised to see him do good even after this.

I think turning him into a conspiring villan is more revealing about the dark nature of the heart of many mgoblog readers than about Joe Paterno's heart. If evidence clearly implicates him in a conspiracy, I'll change my opinion. Until then, I'll let the facts come out. 

 

Using the term Wildcat to describe a direct snap to anyone other than a QB is like calling any rock band from the early 90s Grunge.

  • Login or register to post comments
November 9th, 2011 at 9:11 PM | But it's so much easier and (Score:1 Normal)
Chunks the Hobo
Chunks the Hobo's picture
Joined: 07/22/2008
MGoPoints: 2127

But it's so much easier and more fun to be a hyperventilating Internet Tough Guy.

Got a quarter?

  • Login or register to post comments
November 9th, 2011 at 9:53 PM | haha (Score:1 Normal)
coastal blue
Joined: 11/13/2010
MGoPoints: 1791

God, there is a tribe of people on this site that are just too cool for words.

I love how wanting someone to call the police in regards to a child rapist is now "Internet Tough Guy" status.

  • Login or register to post comments
November 9th, 2011 at 9:16 PM | "Sandusky was spending too (Score:2)
Yeoman
Joined: 06/08/2011
MGoPoints: 2247

"Sandusky was spending too much time with Second Mile."

That's also what Virginia said when he interviewed there the following year:

In 2000, one year into his retirement from Penn State, Sandusky was a leading candidate to succeed George Welsh at Virginia.

The primary reason U.Va. officials turned to then-New York Jets coach Al Groh instead: They questioned Sandusky’s commitment to coaching given the considerable time he spent running The Second Mile, a charity he founded for at-risk youth.

Teel Time: Former Penn State football assistant charged with sexual assault almost coached UVa, Maryland

 

  • Login or register to post comments
November 9th, 2011 at 10:09 PM | Hindsight is always so much (Score:3 Normal)
jmblue
Joined: 11/07/2008
MGoPoints: 28961

Hindsight is always so much easier to act. I'd like to see Paterno use some of his post coaching days talking about what happened, why he acted in the manner he did and use that as a lesson for others not to act the same way. I would not be surprised to see him do good even after this.

Do you always feel this way when a person is accused of covering up (or at least looking the other way about) a serious crime? Or do you just make an exception for 84-year-old football coaches? Could it be you, not other posters, that is blinded by bias (in JoePa's favor, in this case)?

Speaking for myself, I personally had no issue with JoePa before this. And I have no real desire to see a guy at the end of his career get his reputation destroyed. But this just looks awful. A man came to JoePa reporting a sex crime and he didn't call the police - and even let the alleged offender continue to have access to his program. If there is some miraculous way that JoePa is guiltless (like if, somehow, he wanted to press charges and the AD said no), hey, I'd be fine with that. But I personally doubt that's the case.

  • Login or register to post comments
November 9th, 2011 at 10:45 PM | I'll point out a few of your assumptions ... (Score:0 Flamebait)
gobluesasquatch
Joined: 12/22/2008
MGoPoints: 379

Do you always feel this way when a person is accused of covering up (or at least looking the other way about) a serious crime? - ASSUMPTION (the cover up part). What we know is that he reported to the AD that Sandusky was seen involved in some sort of sexual act with a child. That we know. Hardly a cover up. Also, that is what was required of him, and you can even argue, the operating protocol in this case. (I'm so pissed that the state of PA has a writen protocol that Paterno followed, and then they have the nerve to criticize him for following their poorly thought out statutes .. that is a failure by the state of PA - and shoudl be changed ASAP). 

and even let the alleged offender continue to have access to his program - ASSUMPTION. We don't know how much Joe actually allowed him to have access to the facilities. We know the University allegedly took away the keys. Joe's running a massive football operation under dimishing capabilities. Imagine the work he does all week long, and how much could go on while the assistants are game planning and Joe is napping (okay, I need some humor right now). But seriously, Sandusky could come and go without notice pretty easy, especially depending on where his office is in relationship to Joe's. 

Furthermore, these were allegations. Serious ones, and one of the hard questions I have is if McQuerry made the allegations, and you kept him on staff, but you weren't told that anything happend to Sandusky, wouldn't you at least talk to McQuerry about it? I would. But then again, Joe is from an older time when you report things to your boss and let them be - because you trust/believe they are doing the right thing. Imagine you aren't so jaded, and you believe that if you reported the action as responsible, your bosses would do the same and look into it, including the police. I wonder if in the end, Joe believed the police were looking into it. I'd like to hear his thoughts on that. Of course this whole paragraph of mine is largely an ASSUMPTION. Apparently neither of us is privy to all the facts, or at least not omniscient (I know I'm not). 

But I personally doubt that's the case. - Do I need to say anything about this one.

Or do you just make an exception for 84-year-old football coaches? - Not football coaches, but an 84 year old man who by all accounts up until 5 days ago we all believed might have been above the fray (and still might be). Track record speaks for something, and I'm more likely to at least be patient and give some benefit of the doubt to someone who had doen more good in half his life than either you nor I. I'll state that as fact, because if we were really doing good, we'd walk away from mgoblog and do something. Would Lane Kiffin or Jim Tressel get the same benefit of the doubt - no way. Not a chance. However, I'd still want the facts to come out, but in the latter case, I'd be more prone to make assumptiosn and jump to conclusions. I know I joked about getting a degree in cynical engineering, but damn, the past few days have helped me realize just how much more cynical bloggers are. 

I could be biased, sure, but in general, I think most bloggers are blinded by their general cynicism toward society, their bitterness toward those who are successful, and are blinded by the anger they have at this horrible crime, their need to be able to say this could have been prevented, because if this is preventable, then maybe, just maybe, all sexual predators can be stopped before they commit their crimes. (Note: My ASSUMPTION). Sadly, that's not realistic. 

I think JoePa is the biggest target because he isn't being legally implicated, he didn't legally violate anything, and is also respectable enough that he won't attack the slanderous media (and yes, it's slander or libel - can't remember which is which, to write stories with no factual basis - the whole Sandusky retiring as part of the cover up is not only laughable, but embarrassingly inaccurate) or call anyone out on their own personal hypocracy. Again, this is an ASSUMPTION too. 

 

 

 

Using the term Wildcat to describe a direct snap to anyone other than a QB is like calling any rock band from the early 90s Grunge.

  • Login or register to post comments
November 9th, 2011 at 11:14 PM | Re: your first paragraph (Score:1)
Yeoman
Joined: 06/08/2011
MGoPoints: 2247

...and the written Pennsylvania protocol, I've mentioned this on another thread but I guess I'll say it here too:

It's clear from the language of the law that it was drafted to address situations where someone begins to suspect that a child is a victim of abuse: a child comes to school with suspicious bruises, say, or makes odd and suspicious comments to a psychologist. It wasn't intended to apply to a direct witness of a crime in a situation where the child is in immediate danger--it's rather rare for that to happen in a school or childcare setting. That it's the applicable law here is something of an accident, and it's the reason for the discrepancy between what the authorities think should have been done and what the law actually requires.

(And, yes, the direct witness was McQueary, not Paterno. I don't know how many comments I've seen on these various threads that seem to have gotten that wrong.)

  • Login or register to post comments
November 10th, 2011 at 9:39 AM | following assumptions (Score:2 Normal)
Pibby Scott
Pibby Scott's picture
Joined: 08/18/2010
MGoPoints: 698

1. One of your best friends is accused of doing something sexual in a shower with a young boy. You "follow protocol" and report it to the AD. Nothing seemingly happens with the investigation. Are you assuming Joe assumed Sandusky was somehow exonerated? It's his best friend, or one of them, right, and we can at the least assume Joe would be concerned about his best friend. So Joe follows up, right? He finds out what is going on with his friend? What does he find out in 2002? Nothing? His friend is in the clear? He doesn't bother to find anything out? Why? He "followed protocol" and it's out of his head?

He should be held accountable for either not disclosing what he found out or for not being interested in finding out if anything happened to one of his good friends accused of having sex with a boy. In what other ways can you defend him here?

2. Joe's running a massive football operation under dimishing capabilities. Imagine the work he does all week long, and how much could go on while the assistants are game planning and Joe is napping (okay, I need some humor right now). But seriously, Sandusky could come and go without notice pretty easy, especially depending on where his office is in relationship to Joe's.

It's funny that you chastise those of us for our "assumptions" and yet you ask at the same time for people to "imagine" (which means, assume the reality of the following hypothetical situation: for neither you nor I know "exactly" what it means to run a D1 program) the amount of work Joe had to do each week in running his football program and that is how he somehow managed not to see one of his good friends on campus for nearly a decade after hearing first hand from someone who saw him a shower with a young boy. Moreover, Jerry Sandusky still held his position within his Charity. Joe knew what he had been accused of and was apparently okay with what work he assumed Jerry was doing with and around children in his Second City Charity. That is one assumption. Or we assume Joe put it out of his mind "because it was too hard to believe". We should hold Joe accountable in either scenario.

3. Joe is the biggest target because he is the most powerful figure in the Happy Valley Football Community. Either he used that power to sweep something under the rug or he misused that power by "putting things completely out of his mind". He should be lampooned for either being incompetent and morally irresponsible (I've said elsewhere, moral and legal obligations to a community are not the same) or for being in some way responsible for what looks like a "cover-up".

4. What we know is that he reported to the AD that Sandusky was seen involved in some sort of sexual act with a child.

Then you write "hardly a cover up". That was in 2002. You're again assuming Joe wasn't the least bit curious as to the outcome of the non-investigation that took place. We're all assuming Joe was aware of the fact that the police were not involved in the 2002 allegtions.

We know that they (Paterno and co.) believed the accusations were serious enough as to bar Sandusky from bringing boys to school, and we know everyone involved in the accusations were made aware of these results. All parties have said so.

From there, it is correct to assume one of two things. Either Joe didn't see fit to bring the police in because he had "done enough" by reporting it up the chain of command. In thinking he had done enough, Joe is also giving tacit approval to the actions of the Instiution to which he was reporting. He must have felt they had also done enough in their "non criminal investigation" into the allegations against Sandusky, given, again, that he had felt he had done enough in the first place. Or, Joe is that ignornant of the law, that he assumes something sexual happening in the boys lockerroom at PSU between an adult and boy is an instiutional matter and not a criminal matter. Again, he has power, and he either used it incorrectly, ignornantly, or criminally.

There's no credible explanation for Joe's behavior. Either way, he needs to be held accountable. You can empathasize with the man, understand that he was put into a position of great difficulty because of one of his friends; but being empathic doesn't mean that you are forbidden from 1. making conclusions and 2. judging the man's behaviors based on those conclusions that you've rationally come to, given the evidence. Joe failed in his role as a figurehead and as a leader of a public institution and he failed spectacularly.

and if I appeared first as an elderly man and not as a young one

  • Login or register to post comments
November 9th, 2011 at 6:41 PM | I'm surprised more people in (Score:2 Normal)
bobmurph
bobmurph's picture
Joined: 09/01/2009
MGoPoints: 1560

I'm surprised more people in the media aren't talking about the "convenient timeline" for Sandusky's 1999 retirement that the author of this article addresses.  When this story broke over the weekend the first thing that I thought of was the '99 Michigan/Penn State game and Sandusky's farewell tour with the Lavar Arrington/Courtney Brown led defense.  I remember the retirement being addressed by the Musburger/Danielson crew.  Even in 1999 nobody really had an explanation why Sandusky, then only 55 and with arguably his most talented defense ever, was retiring.   Pretty obvious why now.

  • Login or register to post comments
November 9th, 2011 at 7:19 PM | Happy Valley is a very (Score:2 Normal)
nickb
Joined: 11/03/2010
MGoPoints: -92

insular community. They are isolated from the rest of PA and only allow outsiders to visit for football games. They take care of their own and JoePa was the ruler. When any of his football players got in trouble it was buried faster than Bin Laden.

The culture was to protect regardless of the wrong. It was all about football and perpetuting the myth of success with honor. As a result, Sandusky one of their own was given criminal latitude to continue is evil ways and community turned a blind eye.

There is an interesting article about the disappearance of the DA who investigated the 1998 incident involving Sandusky. To this day he has not be found.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/09/sports/ncaafootball/questions-on-sandu...

  • Login or register to post comments
November 10th, 2011 at 10:39 AM | Meth producers (Score:1)
Steve in PA
Steve in PA's picture
Joined: 08/10/2009
MGoPoints: 2345

Strangely enough, I went to PSU and the DA disappeared at a park by my home at the time.  My wedding portrait were even shot there.  Hope I'm not a suspect?

But back on point...It's widely assumed by law enforcement that Gricar's disappearance is tied to his investigating meth labs and trafficking in central PA.  Outside of State College, it's rural enough that someone could "cook" on a farm in the barn and nobody would know.

Sandusky's pedophilia has nothing to do with it unless he would get high on meth beforehand.

 

 

 

  • Login or register to post comments
November 9th, 2011 at 9:08 PM | This was posted here at the time... (Score:3 Normal)
Yeoman
Joined: 06/08/2011
MGoPoints: 2247

http://mgoblog.com/mgoboard/ot-penn-state-abuse-cover

...and a common response was that "there's nothing to it." Happy Valley wasn't the only place where shoulders were shrugged.

 

  • Login or register to post comments
November 9th, 2011 at 10:47 PM | If they knew the nature of behavior and still grant this guy (Score:1)
kyeblue
Joined: 09/18/2009
MGoPoints: 105

access to the campus, the lockers, and the boys at their camps. They should all be fired, and be sued by the victims. 

 
  • Login or register to post comments
November 10th, 2011 at 11:35 AM | If the WEEI allegations from (Score:1)
ixcuincle
ixcuincle's picture
Joined: 08/11/2010
MGoPoints: 3173

If the WEEI allegations from Madden are true, then the program is in serious shit. He basically said the charity was used to pimp out boys to rich donors. I really hope this is not true. 

  • Login or register to post comments
November 10th, 2011 at 11:53 AM |   I know one of the (Score:3 Normal)
The Denarding
Joined: 11/29/2010
MGoPoints: 368

 

I know one of the trustees at Penn State very well - my wife has known their family for years.  If people knew (and they will when this becomes a civil trial) how deep this goes, firing JoePa was the only choice.  The trustees were appalled at the depth of the problem and more importantly the depth of the cover up.  Joe Pa wasn't an idiot - he knew that Sandusky was molesting children as late as THIS PAST SPRING!  HE F'ING KNEW!!!   Every single decision in the football program, every person affiliated with the football program is personally vetted by JoePa.  

The trustees knew if they didn't fire him, they were opening themselves up to a massive and very deep hole.  He was complicit in sex acts - don't kid yourselves.  The entire staff was - they all knew what Jerry Sandusky was doing AND DID NOTHING TO STOP IT.   The trustees have no choice.

The bigger question they face is whether they should fire the rest of the staff.  There is a lot of internal evidence they have been presented that the entire staff had good knowledge that this was occurring on campus and in their facilities.  

 

  • Login or register to post comments
Powered by Pressflow, an open source content management system
Theme provided by Roopletheme; sidebars adapted from Chris Murphy.