Article on LTT in Court
http://www.mlive.com/news/ann-arbor/index.ssf/2015/11/former_u-m_footba…
Sad way for his UM career to end. Hope he is able to turn his life around...
November 19th, 2015 at 7:04 PM ^
Not faulting the OP for posting this, but it's a non-story. Tuley-Tillman waived his preliminary exam, and Judge Simpson entered a not-guilty verdict on his behalf.
It's all procedural, so why shine a light on this?
November 19th, 2015 at 7:17 PM ^
Hmmmmm. I never said it was groundbreaking news, but as you point out, the case is moving forward and this is a story about that. Do you think it's better that we never mention these "icky things" about current or former Wolverines?
November 19th, 2015 at 7:38 PM ^
The "news" today was that a defendant waived his preliminary exam (like 90+% of defendants do), stood mute, and had the judge enter a not-guilty plea on the defendant's behalf (like 100% of judges do when a defendant stands mute). And that's the entirety of the "news" that was reported to day.
In short, there was no new evidence, no new allegations, and nothing salacious in that story that hasn't been reported before. Just a normal day in court that added no information whatsoever about the alleged event or the ultimate outcome.
So hey, if in your mind a purely procedural hearing constitutes something noteworthy that should be posted on a Michigan message board, don't let me harsh your buzz. You should hang out at the courtroom some time. You could see "news" stories like this all day long.
November 19th, 2015 at 8:03 PM ^
Frankly, the "icky" thing about this story is that he was charged period. He has already suffered far more than his "crime" warrants.
November 19th, 2015 at 8:16 PM ^
The victim probably begs to differ.
November 19th, 2015 at 8:45 PM ^
Have you read the complaint? Do so, then come back and paraphrase for all of us the horrors that LTT brought upon his victim. I personally find the entire case to be a classic example of contemporary college society hyper-sensitivity and police over-reaction.
Sometimes shit just happens. Having read the facts I don't think his actions come anywhere even close to criminal behavior. I speak for freedom and fairnes and predict the case will be plea-barganed to some very trivial punishment as it should be.
November 19th, 2015 at 9:01 PM ^
Did he acknowledge his white privilege?
November 19th, 2015 at 9:29 PM ^
I also find it silly that the penalty for using a computer is 5x more prision time and 2.5x the fines than the original crime itself. He probably will end up with some probation / community service and fines, and have to deal with the registered sex offender label.
November 19th, 2015 at 9:39 PM ^
November 19th, 2015 at 11:15 PM ^
Feel free to evacuate to your safe zone.
November 20th, 2015 at 9:12 AM ^
The kid may be brainless, but he's paid enough.
If he sets up a defence fund I'll send him a hundred bucks.
November 19th, 2015 at 7:06 PM ^
Anybody who has sex these days is an idiot.
November 19th, 2015 at 7:12 PM ^
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November 19th, 2015 at 7:25 PM ^
Well shit then I'm the smartest son of a bitch here.
/cries
November 20th, 2015 at 8:30 AM ^
November 19th, 2015 at 7:28 PM ^
Charlie just might agree with you....
November 19th, 2015 at 7:45 PM ^
November 19th, 2015 at 7:51 PM ^
Yeah, how is that working out for him!
November 19th, 2015 at 8:15 PM ^
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November 19th, 2015 at 8:16 PM ^
Oh man. Too soon.
November 19th, 2015 at 8:17 PM ^
November 19th, 2015 at 9:33 PM ^
He doesn't have AIDS, he's HIV positive. There's a difference.
November 20th, 2015 at 12:02 AM ^
Undetectable viral load. Negligible risk of transmission.
November 19th, 2015 at 7:34 PM ^
I know you're joking, but you do have a good point. I'm glad I graduated 8 years ago.
November 19th, 2015 at 8:18 PM ^
I wish I could go back. The female to male ratio in college has been gradually rising for decades and now it's significantly more than 50/50 if I'm not mistaken. Oh, to be young again and not spend my 18-21 age at keggers 80% populated by dudes.
November 19th, 2015 at 8:48 PM ^
If by "idiot", you mean "criminal", then yes. Obviously yes.
November 19th, 2015 at 7:29 PM ^
Wish LTT well. Sad way to end football career at Michigan. Hope that this was a learning experience for him, and he moves forward in a good way.
November 19th, 2015 at 7:38 PM ^
I am so impressed they booted him from the team before the charges even came. Often stuff like this doesn't get handled properly, so I'm glad UM is doing the right thing.
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November 19th, 2015 at 8:59 PM ^
What the hell was he thinking?
I get it....get drunk, get high and get laid....but you don't video the episode.
And then what really makes this an inexcusably stupid affair...he videod it on her phone and then sent it to his phone or email.
I know stupid.....but it really doesn't get much more stupid than this.
Jeeesh...
November 20th, 2015 at 8:22 AM ^
About as stupid as talking to the cops about it without a lawyer present. If he had spoken to one first there never would have been charges filed.
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But...point taken.
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November 19th, 2015 at 10:50 PM ^
If we take everything publicized as fact I don't see how he could be convicted.
He remembers nothing. She remembers nothing.
She doesn't remember consenting to sex, yet she knows she would have when drunk but not sober.
She knows she would not have consented to filming, yet he used her phone.
He may have tried to send it to himself, but apparently the only place they found any evidence was on her computer.
The crime he is charged with is sending the recording digitally. Apparently the only transfer was an automatic sync to her computer.
I'd think even a half-decent lawyer could poke enough holes in the transfer and (assuming she uses a password) that she must have given consent since he used her phone.
Given what is known he could be charged with rape just as much as what he currently faces. As could she.
The whole thing is a mess.
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November 20th, 2015 at 10:13 AM ^
I have been a loud-mouth on this topic in several threads because I believe the facts as presented serve classic warning to a shift away from personal accountability towards community hyper-sensitivity and fear which ultimately is resulting in a more punitive and judgemental society.
However, you are absolultely correct about the woman's role in this. She went for help and one should always feel safe doing so. 100% always. It was the community reaction AFTER she seeked counsel (I suspect because many people involved thought they had to do SOMETHING) that is a betrayal of fairness and due process for LTT.
Also, I think age is important to the perspective of this conversation; I am 44. I was aware (fortunately not fully) of a world that existed before my time where victims were treated like perpetrators. I think this story shows us going too far the other way by creating victims and blaming false perpetrators.
The woman should have received guidance and comfort and that should have been the end of it.
November 20th, 2015 at 10:18 AM ^
And I have one more message. This isn't to you specifically, more to many of the other commenters on this thread: if you were in college in 2015, you would have adapted so your judgment, even when intoxicated, would fit the present standards of morality. It's true that every subsequent generation is faced with more scrutiny than the last just because technology is making it possible. But there's a reason that there aren't millions of people making the mistake Logan made, and just because you can't fathom how he could get in trouble for something that 20 years ago might have been trivial, doesn't mean that this woman cannot protect herself. The punishments nowadays are harsher because the consequences of these mistakes are so much more damaging to the victims. I don't expect any of you to change your opinion but I want you to realize there are many others out there that strongly disagree with you.
November 20th, 2015 at 10:26 AM ^
A lot of us on this board are in your corner, so please don't think we all laugh this stuff off. To be honest, however, I do not think LTT's crime deserves a long prison sentence, unless extenuating circumstances are revealed. I hope he gets an appropriate punishment (maybe including some jail time), makes restitution to the woman, and is able to get his life back together.