For some reason, it seems like people (including Ace) are thinking Clemson now.
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For some reason, it seems like people (including Ace) are thinking Clemson now.
Probably because he just came off a great visit to Clemson.
Once again, everyone everywhere is wondering what anybody sees in Dabo Swinney and Clemson.
Have you seen Sammy Watkins?!
It's not that hard of a pitch to a receiver, really.
If I'm a receiver with an offer from Clemson, I'm seriously considering the Tigers. Say what you want about him as a head coach, but Swinney can coach wide receivers.
Did he make random 3* guys into 1st round picks? Just asking, because I don't pay attention to Clemson's recruiting.
He took 2-star Aaron Kelly and turned him into a 1,000-yard receiver. He has also coached up guys like DeAndre Hopkins (1st round pick), Jacoby Ford (4th round pick), and Sammy Watkins (AP All-American as a true freshman).
but tay says he wants to win NC's and clemson is not even close to that point so i find it hard to believe that clemson made that much ground up already could be wrong but if he truly wants to win a NC he wont pick clemson
Michigan went 8-5 last year. Clemson went 11-2. If he truly wants to win a national championship, he probably shouldn't pick Michigan, either.
Commence your negging, everyone.
sorry if it sounded negative but i just feel mich is closer is all i meant plus they have more tradition i didnt mean to sound negging
What Magnus meant was for everyone to start "negging" his post, which is what can happen here when someone points out facts that don't make UM look like the best team on the planet. And sure enough, someone negged him.
FWIW Magnus, I gave you a +1 - "real recognize(s) real".
and not overplaying an 11-2 season, but its the ACC... Strength of schedule is going to be considered in the new playoff system, which should usually result in few ACC teams making it
The Big Ten has not been a great conference over the past few years. No team has been good consistently, and Wisconsin - the best team over the last few years - was just so-so in 2012 and lost their coach.
so going 8-5 last year means you cant win a national title in the next five years.thanks magnus, i was unaware.
It went right over your head.
Because he is choosing so soon and abruptly
That's crazy. Clemson is in the least attractive part of SC. It reminds me of Grand Valley's Allendale campus. Surrounded by corn fields.
that would be a bit disappointing
Steve Lorenz seemingly as well
Good thing I doudble checked before hitting send on my thread.
I'm hearing/reading the same things about Clemson. It seems like they have made a surge in the recent weeks.
This doesn't seem to be good news. He had what seemed like a very good visit this weekend. It's not impossible that he chooses us, but I'm not very optimistic.
But I saw somewhere today that George Campbell was visiting us again with Mason and Scott so maybe good news? I hate when Clemson or Auburn is our head to head...
That news of them coming to the BBQ came out before this one.
Who knows if they make it to the BBQ with Mason Cole.
Maybe the writer talked to him last week? Maybe today... I'm hoping today but who knows. Campbell did say he was waiting to see when Mason was coming and Scott.
all going the way of the Tigers...
He has visited Michigan more than clemson or anyone else. I think it's Michigan, for one we have Mason Cole and two this comes not that long after we offered canteen and he is supposed to be coming for the BBQ.
i tend to be leaning this way to he wants to get his spot before canteen gets it cause canteen may not be far from committing and then what will scott do i think everyone is picking clemson because it was his last visit but i have to believe cole and the and the fact michigans class is filling up is why he is making his choice now i could be wrong though, plus mich is alot closer to a NC then clemson is and tay wants to win those
What enticed you to throw in the comma at the end?
What enticed you to manage to read that incredibly painful run-on sentence all the way to the end? You're a better man than I am, and I commend you.
I wouldn't be surprised at all if he went another direction. Love to be wrong though.
that a productive WR would want to move to a heavier running spread-oriented attack at Clemson - especially with Boyd done after this year.
Watkins and Hopkins have been very very good for Clemson and have solid stats, see plenty of balls thrown their way, etc
You must have forgotten about DeAndre Hopkins and Sammy Watkins. Both of them were among the best WRs in the country last year. Hopkins was a first round pick in this years draft, and Watkins will be in the future.
Not sure why some of you are surprised that Artavis has them in his top group, and presumed leader. Clemson's offense is not run heavy. Id say its pretty balanced. Id love to have Scott, but he'd fit perfectly in Clemsons scheme.
that those guys are great players but the dominant facet of the offense seems to be run-heavy remember seeing something saying 55/45 split but can't back that up) but I still see the attraction of playing there. I think it's an exciting program to be a part of.
My point was more with a top QB leaving after this year with little experience behind him. The numbers of Hopkins & Watkins will be harder to replicate with Boyd's replacements. The depth chart at QB seems shaky: LINK
It may be 55/45, but Clemson does a great job of getting their playmakers plenty of touches. I agree the attraction will lessen once Boyd graduates, but like others have mentioned, they are bringing in a stud qb next year.
Anything can happen, but Id be shocked if he Artavis goes anywhere other than Clemson.
But can I also say shut your whore mouth? Is saying that still a thing
They are bringing in the #1 QB recruit this year, I don't think Scott is sweating the QB situation.
When is the Opening??
starts this weekend
June 30-July 3
Well that's a buzzkill...assuming all the insider buzz is true.
From the sounds of it, one more visit really could have gone a long ways. The fact that he feels compelled to do this before the BBQ looks more like a bad sign than a good one.
Looks like, barring any surprises, Freddy Canteen might be the guy.
If he waits until July 3rd to announce at the Opening then he'd announce on my daughter b-day. Obviously Michigan then bc I will not let anything bad happen on my daughters b day.
Damn man, he was more or less making a joke. Chill.
...Clemson when he attends the BBQ at the Big House.
looks like K J Williams is also headed elsewhere if you believe the latest from the crystal ball.
No offense to Canteen but he seems like a back-up, back-up plan (yes i know i Hoke we trust)
I like the current recruiting climate in which a top 50 player overall on rivals can be referred to as a backup backup plan.
According to your link, he's top 50 at his position, not overall.
Not that being top 50 even at your position is anything to be disappointed with.
He is not a top 50 overall player, he is in the top 50 of his position group (#43 WR). Pretty big difference.
Ya on my tiny phone screen, I quickly
Assumed state to be the position and the position to be overall. Oh we'll, at least he is a 4* to 1 service.
I disagree. If the staff offered Canteen after Scott and KJ decided to go elsewhere I would agree with you, but that didn't happen. The coaches obviously were willing to take Canteen and discontinue their recruitment of Scott.
I don't think an offer always means a kid can commit immediately, such as when Kyron Watson seemed to want to commit, but had to wait on Winovich. It is possible that they told Canteen to wait until Scott's decision (or a certain date if Scott were to put it off longer than expected). On a related note, I really like Canteen. Only playing three games last season seems to have put him way under the radar (although a 4-star is obviously nothing to sneeze at) and it seems like he's picking up offers wherever he camps. Unfortunately it looks like he is now picking up quite a bit more attention and from interviews, it seems like his recruitment might go on quite a while.
Well maybe it is like the drake Harris visit to OSU, loved it but then committed to UM 2 days later? Or maybe he is feeling pressure from canteen?
No probably not, he is going to Clemson..... but a boy can dream can't he?
He could be ready to go blue for all we know. He's been up enough times to know what its about. One teammate is already on deck. Another teammate being recruited heavy. He's being recruited well by our coaches and other recruits. I seen on twitter a little while back where he said he had a great convo with Peppers, and respects him a lot more.
I don't know where Clemson came from but it doesn't suprise me one bit. They routinely recruit well every year, but it doesn't really amount to much. I don't know what good ole Dabo is selling, but kids buy it so it is what it is. I'm still optimistic until Sam Webb changes my mind.
Edit: Webb said he's trending to Clemson so there it is. I guess Sammy Watkins did a great job as his host. Maybe the coaches knew something and offered Canteen. Really wanted Scott in this class, but you gotta move on.
It looks bad now, but hasn't Clemson had a bunch of early commitments fall through? Robert Nkemdiche is obviously their highest profile decommitment, but I seem to recall they've had quite a few decommitments over the past few recruiting cycles. So even if he verbally commits to Clemson at the Opening, I don't think Michigan is out of it, unless he winds up in the same situation as EJ Leavenberry and loses his spot to another commit before he can change his mind.
that he asked Scott if Michigan was out of it, and his response was "Hell No"
we have at least 2 days before he makes his choice. Anything can happen between now and Friday or Saturday!
It's fine either way. Guy's got to do what he has to do. Would be nice if he comes here but not the end of the world if he doesn't since we can't win them all.
No..it is the end of the world.
and I feel fine
do we go back to Williams or have we burned that bridge a bit?
Also, not so sure we're totally out of this. Apparently the coaches felt confident enough in their chances with Scott that they told KJ Williams he didn't have a spot at the moment. The coaching staff has pulled one out of thin air enough that I won't believe we're out of it till Scott publicly picks another school
9/9 for Clemson in the last 2 hours. Have to think there's some reliable information out there
Then again, we saw everyone suddenly freak out with Winovich to Pitt and OMG Hand to Bama so I'll take it with a grain of salt at this point
regarding Hand and Bama. Could still happen
The point being that people all predicted Bama on a little snippet of information but people still kinda sorta think Michigan might be Hand's letter so just because everyone freaks out and picks one school all at once doesn't mean they're right, it probably just means something is happening.
With Winovich, a lot of people thought Pitt since he decided he was announcing and had recently visited Pitt. Wrong
With Hand, a lot of people took Hand eliminating Va Tech as Hand loves Bama
Here, people could be interpreting "Scott is announcing" and his recent visit to Clemson as OMG Scott to Clemson. NSFMF! I don't think Michigan's out of it
Makes me miss ROLL DAMN TIDEs posts. They were very informative and a few monkeys here shat on him.
Clearly a few people picked Clemson based on info (or the timing of his announcement) and the rest are just following suit.
need THE KNOWLEDGE to tell us who he chooses and we can move on.........well?
Not enough points to start a general recruiting info thread, but I will add here that Michigan 5* DT offeree Andrew Brown (who is tight with Hand but eliminated us a couple weeks ago) said he's deciding tomorrow from among the following:
<blockquote>Brown, who will decide between Virginia, Florida State, Virginia Tech, Alabama and Clemson, said there are several factors that will go into his decision.</blockquote>
EDIT: blockquote fail
My buddy at work was excited when osu made Brown's top eight and we didn't. Well guess what ohio.....No Soup For You!
Brian has the wrong twitter account for Scott.
Would be great to get him, but if we don't, not the end of the world. We've already got one solid, top-100 WR prospect in Drake Harris. If we don't land Scott, we'll find someone else.
I have to stop following recruiting on a day to day basis. Losing these kinds of kids to other schools didn't hurt as much when I wasn't getting my hopes up by reading the hype everyday. I started following recruiting heavily right around the Laquon Treadwell hype. Im sick of the emotional roller coaster already
Hopefully Scott will commit and keep Ian Bunting company at the Opening.
Football game about 5 years ago. We took a motor home down their because my buddies were graduating from CMU that year. Clemson is a beautiful place tons of fun and the people were great. I can absolutely see how someone could fall in love with the place. It is also a lot closer to home for him which I believe would have to weigh into your decision to some extent.
I've been to Clemson also and respectfully disagree. Southern weather or not it doesn't hold a candle to Ann Arbor/UM. And this isn't blatant homerism because if he was going to UF I would understand...
This makes the Canteen offer make a lot more sense potentially
in that he could have seen Clemson and realized it was the place for him, or they could have been the real contender with us, and he saw it and was like "Nah", so the choice became obvious.
I think he either realized he Clemson and the other choices weren't as good as Michigan and he is going to commit to us. Or he realized he wanted to go to Clemson. From what I read he loves Michigan and he wants to play with Cole and Campbell (in my opinion a Michigan lock). I think he chooses Michigan. Also on another note I also think we have a better shot with Jones then a lot of people give us credit for.
Clemson also has Deshaun Watson committed for the class of 2014, who is the #1 dual-threat quarterback to Rivals and the #5 pro-style quarterback in 247's Composite ranking. A high-profile QB can go a long way in the recruitment of receivers, especially when those receivers can look at the offense and see themselves in it, which Scott can do with Hopkins, Watkins, Jacoby Ford, etc. I think one of the issues for Michigan in recruiting receivers has been, "Yeah, you've got Shane Morris in the fold, but there hasn't been a standout Michigan receiver since Mario Manningham in 2007."
Every Big time WR recruit is going to want to play for great school and see a track record of WR success to the NFL. We just don't have that lately and it's killing us on the trail. I think we can win the battles in the Midwest and PA because of our pull here but the out of region WR studs won't come here unless we start getting Wideouts to the league again.
i keep hearing that his commitment may not stick as did nkemdiche last year clemson has a bad habit of losing alot of recruits i hope he does stick with them but scott has to be thinking about that
We'll see what happens, but I'd love to have this kid in Ann Arbor. Absolutely electric. I get the feeling that regardless of where he goes we'll be seeing an awful lot of that young man.
I have a theory that has been pretty solid in the past about where a kid is committing. I'm not a creeper I promise but you go to said recruits twitter account. Check out the last 10 or so people they followed and what fan base they belong to. For Scott, 8/10 are Clemson and like 6 of them are Clemson cheerleaders.
The theory has been very solid in the past, Garnett followed a bunch of things like Stanford medical school the week before he decided. Green followed a crap ton of Michigan related things before he decided. Treadwell followed a bunch of ole miss related things before he decided.
Does anyone know when Scott is announcing this weekend? (i.e. date and time)
Also, are we sure that Williams is out or is it just assumed because we seemed to "slow play" him in favor of Scott?