I'd assume since we just had 2 WR's verbal, that another one wouldn't be in the cards. Am I correct in this assumption?
Arnett to transfer
I would assume that we would find room for him. If I recall, wasn't he a 4* guy across the board? We would take him, not only to get him but to keep him away from MSU.
The staff might be done with WR recruiting for this class. Arnett may transfer because of his father, but, I doubt it will be to UM. Before he comitted to Tennessee, he was higher on MSU than he was on Michigan.
He pretty much confused everybody with his recruitment, so it's hard to really saying MSU was higher than Michigan. I think the only thing that can be taken from his original recruitment is that Tenn. was number 1, and now that the person that recruited him was forced out he doesn't really want to be there anymore.
I wouldn't be surprised if neither Michigan or MSU get him at this point, both have met their numbers or have solid options going towards signing day. I also wouldn't be surprised if either picked him up. I think it will be much like his original recruitment again, where no one really knows for sure but 1000 insiders will tell you that they know.
He is transferring to be closer to his dad, I would say it is a pretty good chance he would transfer to Michigan or MSU, unless he went to a smaller Michigan school. Considering his situation though, I'm not sure why you would suggest he doesn't go to one of the two schools.
I'm glad we have you sitting in the recruiting meetings.
You could take 10 minutes and listen to Webb's recruiting updates on WTKA to find out that we're done with wide receiver recruiting for the '12 class. The staff wanted two in this class, and they got them.
Arnett isn't in the '12 class. Sam Webb is good but you don't need to just regurgiate everything the man says.
Does Sam Webb talk to coaches about recruiting? What if the coaches decide to change their minds? Do they say" hey we better call Mr Webb immediately and tell him everything".
Edit. Serious question. Why is it flamebait?
Our old recruiting buddy has brought Arnett's name up numerous times. Actually threw out this possibility weeks ago. I'm guessing there was an inside track...Arnett really liked Michigan, but HATED the spread.
From what was said - he wouldn't count against recruiting numbers, just against 85 scholarship numbers. Also, I believe he would get a hardship waiver and e able to play right away because of moving closer to his ill Dad.
UM is also still having receivers visit, so good have they're not done (Mondaris)
It would only go towards the scholarship totals, not the class of 2012. Simple as that.
We still need elite WR's and if we redshirt either Darboh or Chesson then that would stagger their eligibility. Plus wouldn't Arnett's schollie not count until 2013? If he wants to come, I see no reason why the coaches would not be interested.
CMU please CMU fingers crossed (with no expectations that it actually happens)
and you expect Enos to field a team capable of using Arnett's talents?---Bitter alum
This is not official, it's still just rumors. And if he were to transfer it would be to Michigan. FWIW he's been tweeting with Shane Morris this evening.
Quite honestly I don't want him - seems like a lot of baggage. But we are rather thin at WR...
What baggage? Just because he made fake commitment videos? I thought those were funny and on point with the whole recruiting culture (one which I somewhat follow, I might add). He's a UM guy at heart and I hope he does come to UM.
BTW - The Scout tweet from last week was a two parter: An announcement and a decision undone. I assume the announcement was the Big10/Pac12 collaboration. The other? I thought it ment a transfer coming in of someone we missed on. Arnett would fit the bill.
'undone' means that the B1G Is scrapping the idea of 9 conference games.
It's also the sweater song.
He's now just transferring to all the schools he committed to.
Yes, I'm recalling the fake commitment videos. I've never been a fan of kids that want all the attention. But I suppose it really is harmless.
Also, what makes you think he's a "UM guy at heart"? In other words, why didn't he commit to UM in the first place?
play in a spread offense
Makes sense. I didn't catch that the first time around
I'm very glad that we now have a staff with a more flexible attitude towards offensive and defensive schemes. When we were married to the spread on offense and 3-3-5 on defense, it alienated a lot of recruits.
goes both ways. Denard is the easy example: he wouldn't be here under a pro style regime. Jake Fisher is someone we lost to Oregon last year, in part because he wanted to play in a spread.
I agree with that logic under the 3-3-5 though. While the spread has been around for a while and has wide acceptance, a lot of recruits (and their HS coaches) didn't know what the hell a 3-3-5 was. I think that hurt us (Zettel's coach apparently didn't like it. Ironic that Hoke ran this at SDSU, and probably would have kept it had Rocky Long come with him to M.
I'm not arguing for or against any particular scheme; I just think it's dangerous to be overly inflexible about any of them. If your system is too rigid to adapt to players who aren't a perfect fit, you're going to miss out on a lot of talented guys.
Regardless of why Denard first came to Michigan, a big reason he's still here (when lots of people assumed he'd transfer) is because Hoke isn't so married to a pro-style that he can't adapt. If Fisher knew what kind of offense we'd run in 2011, he may have stayed. And while a lot of wideouts weren't interested in us under the previous staff, Hoke can tell them, "When you get here, we'll get you the ball." What we run now may or may not be what we run two years down the road. We'll adapt. I'm excited to see how we change to fit the personnel in the future.
Is there any reason to believe this other than tweets? I mean, this story is just coming out right now. What do we really know?
Isn't Ondre Pipkins also from Saginaw originally / have some ties to Saginaw? Maybe he and Shane Morris could tag-team Arnett's recruitment if the coaching staff decides that they want him on the roster.
Ondre has family in Saginaw and Roy Manning who is also from Saginaw is like a brother to him. Those Saginaw ties on our team could help us.
Don't forget Saginaw native Lamarr Woodley who was a big factor in Pipkins' love of the Maize & Blue.
From what I hear, there is interest in UM, but the only thing keeping him from coming here is finding a schollie for him.
I believe that there will be room for Michigan, as I talked about in today's "A few minor recuiting notes" Michigan was still showing interest in adding another reciever.
If the consensus was that the coaching staff would find room for Diggs, why couldn't they find room for Arnett?
Though Arnett is no slouch, I think the possibility of Diggs being great out weighs what has been seen out of Arnett thusfar. Arnett looks like someone who could be good (on a Hemingway to Arrington level), but has probably taken himself out of the likelihood of being really really good, which Diggs still has as he hasn't played a down of college ball yet.
I'd take another Hemingway or Arrington all day err day.
A big time recruit that has an extra year of seasoning and maturity. Plus its a minus for Sparty. What is not to like about this scenerio?
But I said he has the potential to be that. He may not be that good. The Michigan coaches may think they already have someone to that degree in the mix with the WR recruits they are bringing in. It may be an absolute stud or bust for them in this case, in which case Arnett doesn't appear to fit the mold, but Diggs might.
Again, not saying Arnett is bad or that he doesn't have the potential to be a very good player, just his upside is less, and the coaches at this point may be looking for something more.
Even if his upside isn't as high as Diggs, he's a player that, if what is rumored is true, wants to be back in the State of Michigan to be closer to his family. For me, there are only a few options here for him and Michigan is one of them. Meanwhile, it appears that Michigan isn't recruiting Diggs that hard and that he is probably going to end up somewhere else. I know what you're saying about upside, but you also have to weigh the guy's chances of coming to Michigan.
Whenever they hear Arnett? Sorry, but I had to ask.
I seriously thought about posting, "Transfered from 'Up All Night' back home for 'Arrested Development' movie."
You mean G.O.B.?
And if he transfers to Michigan, he can be Tobias Funke.
One of the best jokes from one of the best shows ever.
I hope he doesn't cirsumverent Ann Arbor on his way closer to home....
honestly I think where he goes is secondary to his reason for transferring. best of luck to him and his father where ever he ends up
Exactly. I hope his father improves and the kid can go back to completely enjoying his college years.
Wasn't it between us and Tennessee for him though? We don't really know how Hoke would handle transfers at this stage of his tenure but it seems to me like he would prefer to get his own guys that really want to be at Michigan.
Does a transfer go into that year's recruiting class even though he has to sit out a year or do they just count against the total scholarship count without affecting the 25 a year limit?
it seems like if the player has to sit out 2012 anyway, then they should not count as a schollie for that year, but I could be wrong.
I just went over to tRCMB and they are mentioning some kind of family hardship waiver that allows a player to transfer without sitting out.
Transfers do not count against the 25-scholarship limit for a recruiting class.
However, he would count against the 85-scholarship limit for the team in 2012, even if he's sitting out the season due to transfer rules.
So numbers-wise we would be in good shape, yeah?
Well, if I'm doing the numbers right, it would mean we would have to lose someone else to attrition...or we would have to sign one fewer recruit in February.
Is that assuming we give T-Rob and Cox the "thanks for a great four years" convo?
EDIT: I just counted for myself, and assuming Terrence Robinson and Mike Cox don't come back, we have exactly 85 guys if this class is 28.
Now, the chances of at least one guy currently on the team bailing before fall or one guy from this class not making it for one reason or another is very high, so we should be in good shape to take him if that works out.
Actually, I have no inside information, so the title should read: we should ask Terrance Robinson back. Having a special teams all-star is always useful. He's not Steve Tasker yet, but getting there.
Cox, on the other hand, maybe not. Given his HS background, he shouldn't need the fifth year to graduate either.
assuming we lose someone else to attrition or ask another 5th year (besides Cox and T-Rob) not to come back, it sounds like we would have room for Arnett and a 28 man class. It sounds worth it to me, especially if Arnett gets a hardship exemption to play next year.
From what I have read on the Rival's board, it sounds like Shane is already recruiting him hard.
Also TomVH/cup cake, has been mentioning his name for about a weekish now. If we have a spot, there is mutual interest.
S_Morris12 Shane Morris
Wow is it great to have a recruiter like Shane locked up already. These rumors came out, no doubt the coaches knew about it and told Shane, and the same day he's in Arnett's ear with tweets like that. He must be a huge tool for our class.
How dare you call Shane Morris a huge tool.
How dare you talk about Shane's tool.
So if Shane pans out on his potential in college, has social media allowed him to be the most valuable Wolverine of all time?
We're not even sure if THIS coaching staff is interested in him. It was Rich Rodriguez that recruited him, although it seems fairly logical to assume we would have interest.
If Shane Morris is tweeting about him, that's a pretty strong sign the staff is considering him.
Where is Sparty gloating about him being a "lock"? I haven't seen or heard anything like that. I thought he liked them before going to UT but would that have carried over? Could things have changed since? I'd say UM has just as good a shot.
In 2009, Broderick Green transferred from USC to Arkansas to be with his ailing grandmother in Little Rock. He received a waiver from the NCAA that allowed him to be eligible without sitting out a year.
Rivals: 4-star (No. 84 overall prospect nationally, No. 12 overall wide receiver, No. 2 overall prospect in Michigan)
Scout: 4-star (No. 8 overall wide receiver)
ESPN: 4-star (No. 57 overall prospect nationally, No. 9 wide receiver)
Selected to U.S. Army All-America Bowl
ESPNU 150 Team
inquires about his services. If he interested then lets findout his interest before shutting it down!
Can't we just pull an Urban and claim a medical waiver off some kid to make room for Arnett?
Where is Shawn Conway at nowadays?
I had high hopes for that young man
Sorry to venture off topic, but what's the word with Zettel?
I'd rather have a stud wide receiver than an uninspiring tight end. I'd rather we get the best players available and not just add a TE for the sake of it.
Arnett would be sitting due to transfer rules! He doesn't HAVE to count against the recruiting scholarships for THIS year at all.
Getting Arnett doesn't mean we don't recruit another TE or anything of the sort.
And what's up with the "uninspiring TE"...I can't stand all of these star gazers! Give me a 6'6 target like Sam Grant ANY day. Do you SEE what we have at TE next year?! We have Brandon Moore who's most famous for missing the block against MSU on 4th and 1 that led to Denard getting destroyed. We have Rico Miller who hasn't played over Moore (who went from awful to "just bad") this year or Steve Watson who wins the James Rogers Award for playing 19 positions and never complaining once.
Then in this class we have Devin Funchess who is a pass catching threat and a TE/WR...not a blocking TE or even a balanced TE like Koger. And we have AJ Williams who many think is playing on the OL starting next year.
We NEED another TE in this class. Not only for next year, but for down the road when Shane Morris is the QB and the offense uses more TE's rather than slot's like Gallon, Grady, Odoms, etc. who will all be gone.
This "we don't need a TE" stuff has to stop. This bashing Sam Grant. This bashing the thought that ANY sleeper or 3-star TE (or player) is uninspiring has to stop as well.
I'm not saying that Sam Grant is bad, but I'm trying to understand why we need 1. Don't we have 3 scholarship TEs already? The same amount of scholarship quarterbacks on our team.
Well, you often play more than one TE at a time, but you only play one QB at a time. That is one difference.......
Exactly. Additionally, none of the ones we have (or will have) are proven, so whereas we won't need all of them, having a few extras make it more likely we find one or two good ones. Also, different tight ends might play in different situations.
Gorgeous Borges might disagree with only playing one QB at a time.
I'm now repeating what's been said...but #1, in the offense we're trying to run in the future, 3 will not be enough. Especially when one of them is a RS Senior.
Also, you have 3, and not ONE of them has done a thing. I already talked about Moore, Miller and Funchess.
Lastly, how do I get negged when I'm not flamming at all and my post sparked 4-5 insightful comments? What I said was the truth and it got defended by multiple posters. Someone care to explain?
If he's transferring to be closer to his sick father then the NCAA can/will grant a waiver.
Actually he would count against the 85 player limit even though he may possibly sit out next year. It seems they will seek the waiver to play next year though because he is moving home because his father's health is declining.
Well said. Are there any more Gronkowski brothers left?
Did anyone else notice that Josh Garnett tweeted the fourth team on his list is Slippery Rock. I know he's kidding but still, this has to be good for us
Eh, I suppose I wouldn't mind him.
(Just kidding, he's #1 on my wishlist.)
Arnett and Burbridge.......
Blake Countess and Terry Richardson would like to have a chat with you.
Yes, but...who will throw to them with no more Kirk?
If Arnett wants to go to BCS games andplay in the NFL, he'd go to Michigan.
NFL, not necessarily, MSU has churned out a pretty decent amount of NFL receivers
From convos with him he really wants the absolute top talent especially at WR.
McNamara was off the radar weeks ago...we had been completely dropped. I believe due to early enrollee issues. He only had one last visit to take anyway.
Grant is the #1 TE recruit right now as those Pharoah Brown rumors were shot down as well.
plays at Butte College in California.
Aaron Rodgers played for and yes the QB for the packers. I played against him when I was at Santa Rosa JC. He was a stud then too. But Shawn won't be coming back to AA because the units won't transfer over.
... I don't think he's a LOCK to state... I think its gonna be distance if anything... I think since his family is in saginaw he's more likely to central plus central is familar to him lots of kids from saginaw go up to central... but who knows
From where he lives in Saginaw, it is about a wash time wise to mt pleasant and EL.
And AA is only like 10 minutes further.
I'm not sure just what his father's health situation is, but if it's really bad he may want to be even closer. For me, I would not want to be over an hour away if my father's health was bad.
It would be surprising, but not ridiculous, if he ended up at Saginaw Valley State University. They've produced NFL talent in recent years and it's 10 minutes from his home. He would be able to dominate there, and NFL scouts would make it there. It doesn't hurt that they play in the same league as Wayne State, who just played in the national championship game, and Grand Valley.
Again, it would be surprising to see a 4 star kid go to a non-D I school, but given the circumstances not earth shattering.
Ohhhh crap. I just realized what the Shane Morris thing made me think of.
DA used to work out regularly with Andrew Maxwell, the new msu QB. They have a pretty solid relationship. Nice that Morris is doing that but I'm afraid he will have a LOT of ground to make up.
Who.....? I am only interested in actual UM players & recruits who want to play for UM.
Regardless of if we get Arnett or not, I love that Shane Morris is one of our top recruiters. This dude is gonna be one of the all-time greats at Michigan, and its great that he is constantly buzzing in other recruit's ears to get them to come to A2 with him. Hahaha.
Says Michigan and MSU would be co-faves
Looking at the Red Shirt Juniors, I can't see anyone outside cox and trob that you could give that "firm handshake" to, everyone else is needed for depth. so if we get arnett we have to go with 27 unless they know of someoen that will not be back next year that we are not in the loop on
That was an actual comment on rcmb. They're losing their top 3 receivers from this year's team.....what planet is EL on?
He'd be a huge get. That'd be all awesome and stuff.