Fmr 4-star WR RT @Josh_Ward Derek Dooley plans to grant DeAnthony Arnett a release closer to home. Dooley said that includes Mich & MichSt.
Hopefully we have a spot and he will choose the good guys!
I think he ends up at MIchigan State but still happy for the kiddo.
This is not a rhetorical question. I have no opinion on the matter.
They seem to have a blackout at WR (not counting incoming recruits), I cannot remember the timeline but does anyone know if he made his decision before Hoke was hired?
I had read that part of the problem is that he said something about coming to Michigan State university before he even requested a release from UT.
I believe he was also down to MSU and UT before going to UT, he presumably has had tons of contact with the MSU staff, but Hoke's staff was hired on after Arnett was already two-months committed, and MSU's returning receiving corps combined for four receptions this year.
I gotta say he is most likely gonna be green.
He wanted to play in a pro-style offense and that's why he eliminated Michigan before his commitment. I see no reason why Michigan isn't a legitimate option for him at this point.
Fair enough, but I would surmise that Hoke has still had very limited contact with Arnett and has some ground to make up.
I wouldn't be surprised if he pulled it off though.
If the Vols thought there was any contact with Arnett or Arnett's family by MSU or UM before they released him from the school they could file tampering charges. I doubt UM would participate in any such activity seeming how UM is on probation at the moment.
I think he means limited contact as in Hoke was only around a couple months before Arnett chose to go to UT.
Our leading receiver only caught 32 passes this year. The whole "pro-style offense" is still just something the coaches say at this point and doesn't really reflect how the team played this year and presumably will next year with Denard at the helm (which isn't a bad thing by any stretch of the imagination). Even though Arnett can't see the field for a while, he might not simply take it on faith that we are going to throw a lot more in the future.
Because there will be Denard passing to him? And then Gardner?
Anything resembling a pro style QB will not be on the field until his final year at the earliest. Can't expect him to wait forever, especially if he wants to go pro after his junior year. He has to see that MSU has an elite 11, pro style AB taking the reigns now and if that wasn't enough, he has already worked out with the kid a ton during his recruitment.
Denard won't be passing to him unless he gets a special waiver for instant eligibility from the NCAA.
Gardner, for all practical purposes, is a pro-style QB. He's much more of a pocket passer than Denard. When he's starting, he won't be carrying the ball 20 times a game. If Denard is a running QB who can throw, Gardner's the opposite.
I agree with you completely on Devin's skill-set, but I still see this very much being a run first offense with him at the helm. Jason Campbell never ran and only put up 270 attempts as a senior under Borges (Barkley and Luck both eclipsed 400 this year). Through 12 games we've thrown the ball 82 times less than we even did last year. We ran the ball 2/3 of the time and seemed to throw it even less as the year went on.
Al Borges has never coached in the NFL and doesn't run a "pass to set up the run" offense like Weis or Bill Callahan. He is a ground oriented, college offensive coordinator. His only really pass happy season came at SDSU with Lindley, two NFL wideouts, and a team playing a bunch of close, high scoring games.
Even if Devin has the ability to be an NFL quarterback, I still don't think we'll see him throwing the ball all over the field at Michigan. I also think that is a very good thing.
I'm not necessarily saying that we'll be a pass-first offense, but I don't think we'll ask Gardner to be a primary rushing threat. He'll get some carries, but not as many as Denard - maybe 10 a game. The RB will be the primary runner. I think we'll probably end up throwing about as much as we did in the Carr years, though, which was still enough for our WRs to put up big numbers.
I really don't think Borges wants to throw it more than 20-25 times a game if his ground game is clicking. He also brings a lot more variety to the table than we saw under Carr, especially toward the end of his tenure (zone almost exclusively), to keep the defense off balance. I could see Gardner taking about half of Denard's carry load (8-10 a game, roughly half on scrambles) with the other half going to a second running back or a versatile fullback like Hopkins and still see us being a very run oriented team, even if it is done in a more conventional fashion.
That's my hope anyway.
The depth chart at mSU is certainly more attractive with their top 3 WRs graduating...but, they're also losing Cousins, so who knows. Hopefully he goes Blue, I like the young man a lot...
Is our depth chart much different? Hemingway, Odoms and Grady are gone after this season and Stonum and Roundtree will be seniors next year. The only underclassman who has gotten any real playing time is Gallon.
I thought I read on here that Arnett did not want to be part of a spread offense so that kind of eliminated us with RR as coach. I say Welcome Deanthony and Demar! (wishful thinking)
Just happy that he can choose either one and be close to his father, which is the most important thing.
I agree. Just glad he has the option now.
Glad for him. I hope he goes blue instead of green, but at this point I don't mind either way - I'm just glad he gets to be close to his family. He handled the situation well.
Horrible PR will do that to you after a while. Tennessee has gone out of their way these last few years to become a second-rate program, and this was not helping. I wouldn't be surprised if some non-AD higher-ups at the university forced this one on Dooley after a while.
There's an ESPN piece on the Insider who's title suggest that the UT coach may be in trouble. Could this also be a factor?
Common sense finally prevails...
Now that the right thing has been done, here's hoping he sees the path we're on and jumps aboard...
Now all we need is the NCAA waiver to let him play next year...
Not totally necessary. We really need him for 2013. But still, I hope he gets the waiver.
Thrilled for Arnett! Dooley, you're still a schmuck.
I saw the same thing on WolverineNation. Glad that #FreeArnett has been a successful campaign for the coaches at UT to do the right thing.
I saw the same thing on WolverineNation. Glad that #FreeArnett has been a successful campaign for the coaches at UT to do the right thing.
that persuaded Dooley's about face?
It was a horrible PR move by Dooley and I'm sure he's taken a lot of slack for this and some of the other things that have come out. But in the end, it looks like he's doing the right thing even if it meant backtracking...he deserves credit.
thanks to the internets.
so MSU would prolly take him straight up, we prolly would only if we have a slot open (we wiff on a guy and there is no good "backup" option) and or we have another opening the coaches know about that we don't yet. You guys think he just goes MSU for the sure spot, or waits around till feb to see if we have a slot for him
Don't think we'd hesitate to take him. Realistic chance this class doesn't grow past 26 or 27 which leaves room for him anyway. And Arnett is a very good player who even if he doesn't get a waiver would be way ahead of any 2012/13 WR recruit once he's able to see the field.
Conventional wisdom says we have a spot in this class for 'best available' and very easy to see Arnett filling that.
I thought we don't have to make room for him in this class. We just have to have room for him in our 85-scholarship limit...of course that could mean someone doesn't get a fifth year.
Yeah but at this point they're one in the same. We can have a class of 28 if there's room but we only have room for 26 right now and barring unexpected attrition will only get to 28. Fitting in Arnett would probably limit the class to 27.
Which given the number of guys we're still after and various interest levels is probably where the class would finish anyway.
Not going to speculate on individuals, but you have to believe there will be additional roster attrition between now and when we need to be at 85 scholarship players
I think he picks MSU because he loves them. It's no secret, he even said they were his second choice to UT and regularly worked out with their new QB Maxwell.in high school. Um has a shot but by all indication not nearly as big of one.
Well I have to disagree. He was a huge UM fan growing up but did not want to play in a spread. He has worked out with Maxwell before, but he is good friends with Devin, would love to play with him, and may have even chosen Michigan at the time offense be damned had Devin been the starter by the time he made his decision. I'd say UM gets first crack if admissions can accept his transfer and Hoke and Co. wants him.
Frank Drebin with the quick draw. This was a triple-new-thread-worthy topic and you came out on top.
Like a midget at a urinal, I have to stay on my toes.
I think DA's first choice will be UM, childhood fav and friends with Gardner. But will we have the room?
I sure hope so, he would be a play maker we desperately need in the WR corps.
Correct me if I am wrong but I don't think room is so much of an issue. He would count against our total scholarship count not the 2012 recruiting class if I am not mistaken. With us being thing at WR in the coming years if he wants to come to Michigan then IMO he is blue.
well we have 26 schollie slots right now. 28 if you count the two obvious fifth years who won't be back if we need the slots. to go full class + arnett you need to find another scholorship, and I just don't see another fifth year guy you can ask not to come back, so were stuck at 28 unless there is attrition (which is likely in a normal season)
No, I think what he's saying is that transfers don't count towards the annual scholarship total of 25 but the overall scholarship total of 85.
True, but if we go to 28 which was the talk all fall, then we would have 85, no room.
If we want DA we need to stop at 27 so that we would have have 84 + DA = 85.
wok one moer question lets say we do 27 + DA, can you still count 3 toards 2011 leaving us at 24 for this year? that way we can sign 26 next year (I don't think there is that much room, but you never know what happens with attrition, we started this year in the upper teens available)
Well attrition is highly likely so finding room for DA is not as much of an issue I think as does the coaching staff want him and if so does he want to come here.
double post fail
I know this is not going to be popular, but do we want this kid?
Arnett's dad has been having serious medical problems since he was 14 or there abouts. His family was taking in significant government benefits since that time (see his open letter here). I realize Mr. Arnett has had heart attacks and the like since then, but the whole major concern over health seems specious considering the length of time Mr. Arnett has had serious health problems due to his lung disease (he retired on disability when DeAnthony was 14). DeAnthony also knew his checks would be cut and all the economic problems his household would face prior to signing a letter to attend UT.
UT is clearly not in a good place right now. The coach who recruited DeAnthony Arnett (who was also his posistion coach) left. Other members of the staff just resigned to go take a job at Washington, a lateral move at best. I understand DeAnthony wanting to get out of there and I think giving the turnover on the coaching staff he has the right to ask for his release, but I'm not sure if I like how he played the family health card. I just keep feeling like he used his family's pre exsisting struggle to avoid having to say "You know what, I don't like the turnover and instability on the staff, I'm out". Or for that matter say "Look I made a mistake going so far from home, I need to be closer to my family due to the ongoing health issues." Instead he makes it sound like all these health problems just happened, when in reality DeAnthony willingly decided to move multiple states away from his sick father. I'm not sure if I like that method of getting a transfer. We talk about wanting high character kids after all.
I hate to rip on a kid who has a sick father, but the way DeAnthony acts like he's the blameless victim in all this. See the closing line of his letter: "And he's neglecting the fact my father is severely ill." In reality though the father was ill before DeAnthony left Michigan and that illness wasn't seen as a deal breaker back then. I feel like DeAnthony needs to step up and remember he willing left his sick father to attend UT. So he's not exactly the paragon of being concerned of his family's health here. It just sounds bad to be saying "I want to be closer to my sick dad" when you turned down Michigan and MSU offers to leave said sick father and play multiple states away a year ago.
Maybe I worry too much, but I wonder what cards he plays if he isn't happy here. Plus of course this whole messy transfer thing aside, we don't really want to be playing against him. He is clearly a talented player.
(Also all this being said, Dooley should have just said "No SEC schools" and let him walk. That's always the right thing to do.)
You're not ripping on him at all. Just presenting some facts that build an interesting argument. Thanks for posting this.
Hasn't his father had two heart attacks (as you allude to) since DeAnthony picked UT? His father's health could well be much worse than it was when Arnett chose the Vols.
He also could've just hated Tennessee. I lived in Tennessee for 2 years and it sucked. No one crucified me when I moved away.
When you moved did you get a release from Coach Dooley or did you have to sit out a year? /s
Nashville is wonderful. Knoxville...meh.
Nashville is a very fun town and there are actually a LOT of B1G fans/transplants in the area. Best thing Knoxville has going for it are the mountains nearby. I spent a weekend in Pigeon Forge last Fall and had to go to Knoxville to watch the UM/Iowa game...
Couldnt have said that better myself. Granted his father may have taken a turn for the worse but on the face of it since Baggat was let go this screams that "I made a decision because of 1 guy rather than actually liking the school I commited too and now I'm taking my ball and going home".
Oh well all said and done now and more than likely he will end up at MSU which is fine.
Maybe he thought he could handle being away and realized he couldn't? Sure he knew about his fathers illness before hand but he had no idea how he would react to hearing his father had a heart attack and not being able to see him.
I didnt follow his recruitment all that closely because I never got the vibe that he was coming to UM. Pretty informative stuff
Did he make a big deal out of it before or after je wasn't granted a full release? Maybe he did have a conversation wiith Dooley In which he did say the things you suggested. Maybe it was Dooley's unwillingness to grant a full telease that led to him making a bigger issue out of the health concerns?
If - and that's a big if - Arnett comes to Michigan, he will be a redshirt sophomore in 2013 by the time he can play. If he transfers after that, he will have to sit out the 2014 season and only have one year left to play in 2015. I doubt he'll transfer again after he leaves Tennessee.
As for the question of if we want him...I've never been a big fan of Arnett. There are some personality issues that I don't care for, but it's a fair request to ask to go back closer to home while still playing at a school that gives him a good chance of getting to the NFL. He shouldn't have to choose "Stay at Tennessee/be three states away from my dad" and "Go home to Central Michigan/be close to my dad."
It seems like Dooley gave in to human decency and/or public pressure. Regardless of Arnett's reasons for wanting to transfer, it was probably the right think for Dooley to do.
You are WAY off base. Questioning his motivation for returning home to be near his sick father shows you have no empathy. There is more to life than football dude.
Rethinking the decision a 17 year old made to go to out of state in the face of his father's poor health does not need to be questioned. At 17 you are not the most mature and don't always make the best decisions. Heck, you can't even vote yet. Last time I checked you only get 1 father.
Have you ever had an ill parent? I did. My mother had Lou Gehrig's disease when I was in college. It was an extremely difficult decision to go to school out of state (Michigan), but it was progressing very slowly and she was still mobile. By my junior year, she was in a wheelchair. A year later, she was pretty much immobile. I moved away to Chicago for a job after graduation. I had a good job, a great girlfriend (now my wife), and loved being where I was, but realized I had to move home as my mom's condition was deteriorating. I grudgingly left everything behind after a little over a year to go live in my parents' house in Atlanta.
I'm not saying it's the same situation as Arnett's, but it is possible that he decided he couldn't be that far away from home anymore because his father's health is deteriorating and he realizes that time is precious. Are you being harsh? Maybe, maybe not. I, however, prefer to take a more sympathetic view given my own past experiences.
My mother has had two brain tumors over the past few years. It's one of the reasons I've evolved a policy of never living more than 8 hours from her.
I think DeAnthony has a perfectly valid reason to want to return to Michigan. However I dislike how he says"Dooley is inhumane" as opposed to something like "I made a mistake to leave my sick father and now Dooley isn't helping/being a dick". He skips the first half of that sentence and goes right to the second half. Character is admitting the role you played in bringing this about as well.
Think back to when McGuffie or Vinopal leaving. When they asked for a transfer from Day 1 they both admitted they made a bit of a mistake when they moved so far from home at a time of ongoing issues at home/medical issues. I'm not seeing that from Arnett in his open letter. Instead I see him citing things like the cuts to welfare checks, which he knew were happening before he left.
As Magnus said, Arnett has always had some personality issues. I guess I'm just a pessimist who sees Arnett not admitting he played a role in all this happening as part of those issues.
I honestly can't tell from reading the letter why he brings that up other than to say that his family is facing hard times. Is he saying that he needs to transfer b/c of the cuts (or in part b/c of that)?...As a side note, the checks were going to stop once he turned 18 regardless of what school he went to.
As you said, your post may not be popular but I have no problem with it. Any decisions should be made on all available information and it appears you were simply presenting additional information. I appreciate that. My only retort would be that I do leave a little room for the fact that kids at that age can become starry-eyed or not have a full grasp of what his decision is going to mean. I have no idea if that happened here, just saying.
I don't know enough about Arnett's situation to have a competent opinion, but what I will say is if he wants to come to Michigan and Hoke & Co feel he's the kind of kid they want, I'm all for it.
Thanks for your post!
You raise some good questions, but remember he was also 17 or 18 when he made his initial decision about where to go to school. Perhaps he didn't realize the enormity of the decision, or how difficult it would be for him to be away from his parents until he actually was. I'm not sure how many comparably difficult decisions I had to make when I was 18, but I'm also pretty sure I was an immature kid back then and might not have given enough weight to the various factors that go into such a decision. I think the kid deserves the benefit of the doubt here.
Those are valid points.
That said, I'm not ready to dismiss this as "playing the family health card." I bet he didn't make the decision to go to UT lightly, and it might have been a close call, where he thought that the sacrifice was worth it to be with a coach/team about whom fe felt good. We don't know how that sacrifice turned out once he got on campus. Maybe it was okay, maybe it was even harder than he thought. Maybe he'd been thinking about it for awhile. Regardless, when the coach left & the program struggled, the equation changed for him, in a way that it might not for the other players on the team.
Given that he needed to bring some public pressure to bear to make a transfer happen, it wasn't a surprise that he would make his father's illness a top issue in the PR battle. I see how that may appear to be manipulative, but I get why he did it.
So in sum, I think you're right that the reality is a lot greyer than the black-and-white issue he's making it out to be. But I think it's too soon to question the kid's character.
And a Confession: My own dad has had some worrisome health issues over the past few years, and I know that influences my read of this situation.
I don't agree. I'm sure that choosing UT over MSU was a difficult decision for him at the time. I also think it's entirely plausible that his father's health recently took an unexpected turn for the worse that has made him re-evaluate that choice. None of us are in his household or privy to the discussions he had with his family in making these decisions. I see no reason why he shouldn't be given the benefit of the doubt.
and son of a Father who passed away 2 years ago from a sudden MI, I can tell you that things can deteriorate quickly where heart disease is concerned. These days people can live quite comfortably (and long) after having heart attacks. In many cases they live on and die of something unrelated to their heart altogether. But when people have multiple heart attacks in close proximity it is an omnous sign. I'm just saying, we don't have nearly enough information to think the kid is making this up just to get out of Tennesse and it seems a bit of a stretch to think that is the case.
A persons health can deteriorate a lot in a year, especially if it is in relation to heart disease. I say give the kid the benfit of the doubt.
Thanks for taking the time to capture all of that.
A lot has changed in Ann Arbor since you chose Knoxville over her. C'mon home.
I'm glad Arnett won this one even if he goes to MSU. Schools should not be able to dictate where you transfer to. At all. Kids sign a LOI not a contract to be an indentured servant
Does he have to wait until the fall? or can he come in this semester??
wouldn't he need to decide by basically today? and be in class tommrow?
Sorry been out of college for a while, don't know when classes resume.
The twitter world seems to think he will be making a decision very shortly which would more than likely mean he will be enrolling to his school of choice for the spring semester.
COME ON DOWN!
it comes down to who we have at QB and not who MSU doesn't have at receiver. If Arnett wants a prolific qb, going blue is his only option. Robinson, Gardner, Bellomy and Morris... all good/great options. Who is MSU even starting at qb next year... do they even know?
You're simplifying it way too much and looking at it like a pure Michigan fan.
MSU has been better than Michigan at passing the ball for the last several years. Their receivers have also had more production over the last few years than Michigan's.
Furthermore, Denard Robinson doesn't even figure into the equation, since he will be a senior in 2012 and Arnett will most likely have to sit out the 2012 season.
He might be allowed to play next year if he petitions the NCAA, since he's transferring due to a family medical issue.
Uhhhhhhh. Ya. Andrew Maxwell, an elite 11 qb that has been groomed for three years under Cousins. Who has also spent a lot of time working out with Arnett in high school.
It's great to hear that he got his release, what kind of timeline are we looking at for a decision?
That is all.
Glad he got the waiver, would be nice to get him but if he goes to MSU the important thing is he will be near his family, good stuff!
Ah, the power of public perception and negative press. They will likely spin this as they made a decision to go against university policy and do what's best for the young man. If so, so be it. I don't care where he goes, hopefully he'll get more time with his family. Good for him.
Why does "Mich and Mich St." come off as a special favor? Neither play UT in the coming years to my knowledge, I don't see why this would be an issue.
Now if it was a team Tennessee plays next year or an SEC team, then I can see. But what does Mich and Mich St. have to do with the Vols?
they do recruit against us, and have had a presence doing so in the state for the last couple years. No, this is not a defense of Dooley, who is still a giant douche nozzle.
Arnett still praised Dooley and UT, even though it took a public outcry for Dooley to relent. He seems like a quality young man. I wish him the best even if he ends up at MSU (which seems likely, given that he has a relationship with Dantonio and his staff).
The biggest reason I see is because of the immediate opportunity to play. I believe that is one of the main reasons he decided to go to UT because he could play his freshman year, rather than redshirting behind 3 seniors at msu. I believe the claim could be made he wants to get to try and get to the NFL as soon as possible to help out his family financially and at UT he saw a better opportunity to than msu. With that in mind he can immediately start at msu and play in the pro style offense he wants to be in. Plus, he use to work out with Maxwell in high school.
Good thing. Even if he picks msu over us, glad those jackasses at UT are letting him go to a big school now.
MSU doesn't even have a legitimate QB. I don't remember anyone of their back-up QB's got significant action on the field this year. If Arnett wants to have an immediate impact, there is no reason for him to go to Michigan State.