Arizona Wildcats football to honor USS Arizona by wearing
September 16th, 2016 at 5:11 PM ^
#WeRemember
We will recognize, remember and honor the memory of the U.S.S. Arizona and its crew.#BearDown pic.twitter.com/ahkKMfkLKg— Arizona Football (@ArizonaFBall) September 15, 2016
September 16th, 2016 at 5:11 PM ^
That's awesome!
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September 16th, 2016 at 5:13 PM ^
From head to toe, the detail is incredible.@ArizonaFBall's unis honor the U.S.S. Arizona: https://t.co/pOCJXL3ubL pic.twitter.com/Vtrk6pMr1Q
— ESPN (@espn) September 15, 2016
September 16th, 2016 at 5:15 PM ^
"The sorrow never fades"? SalvatoreQuattro, were you there?? Are you actually 93 years old??? IS THAT YOUR ACTUAL PICTURE FROM 1941?????
September 16th, 2016 at 5:16 PM ^
What is it like always like miserable and unable to appreciate good things?
September 16th, 2016 at 5:27 PM ^
I'll bet you're fun at parties. Lighten up, Francis. (However, I am glad that you deemed my comment repulsive enough to post for, like, the 5th time since 2012!!!)
September 16th, 2016 at 6:14 PM ^
I have kids, so I don't go to parties anymore. what kind of burn you have for me?
September 16th, 2016 at 6:28 PM ^
Probably something along the lines of hoping you don't home school.
September 16th, 2016 at 8:02 PM ^
private Christian school. ;)
September 17th, 2016 at 1:52 PM ^
They have some very good schools.
September 16th, 2016 at 5:19 PM ^
I was going to say...maybe I'm a hardened soul but I don't feel that deep of a sorrow. Sure, it was a tragic event but I don't feel sorrow about it much like I don't feel sorrow over the Alamo or the war of 1812.
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September 16th, 2016 at 5:22 PM ^
So you do not feel sorrow about slavery or the Holocaust?
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September 16th, 2016 at 5:32 PM ^
all i know is you must be a hit w the ladies
September 16th, 2016 at 5:37 PM ^
This reminds me of an Onion article from several years ago, talking about how more and more retirees were moving to their old college towns to live our their final years. One of the things the male retirees were learning (sadly), was that saying "I stormed the beach at Normandy" didn't get them laid anymore... :-D
September 16th, 2016 at 5:42 PM ^
All I know is that fucks are not given about what you think I am or am not a hit with.
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September 16th, 2016 at 6:13 PM ^
given that he understands how feelings work, yes, I would say that he's probably a hit with the ladies. and I'd venture to say that those literally arguing with someone about what they should or shouldn't feel about something probably aren't great with having an actual relationship with a woman.
September 16th, 2016 at 7:02 PM ^
Hahahahaha are you and Quattro lost relatives that have been reunited on Mgoblog through your Michigan fandom?
September 16th, 2016 at 7:11 PM ^
I take it that this is one of your twelve personalities.
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September 16th, 2016 at 8:02 PM ^
I have disagreed with him on most things. this happens to not be one of them. I'm ok with that.
September 16th, 2016 at 5:48 PM ^
No, not really. Maybe you and I have different definitions of sorrow. I acknowledge they were bad things...I don't wallow in despair over them. Shit happened, the world is a terrible place, the world has been terrible since its existence. *shrugs* I don't feel sorrow over it. Do you shed a tear for the Nazis that died?
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September 16th, 2016 at 5:55 PM ^
Possessing empathy is not wallowing. Just because you do not possess much empathy for your fellow human beings that does not mean others do not.
I find all deaths in war sad regardless of the side, but clearly the victims of the Nazis warrant much more pity than Nazis themselves.
Yes, this crap has been going on forever. So have a lot of things. That is no justification for indifference.
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September 16th, 2016 at 5:58 PM ^
I think we've come to the heart of the matter. Empathy and sorrow are very different things. I can feel empathy at times with people who suffered tragedies long before my life. But rarely does that bring me to a state of "sorrow," which is a sort of profound feeling of distress, sadness, loss, etc.
September 16th, 2016 at 6:11 PM ^
I guess I am just more sensitive to this. I spent a sizable chunk of of my 20's reading about the Nazis. I finally had to stop because it was taking a toll.
I think and read a lot about history and what it means. So I have a radically different view of events like Pearl Harbor and the Holocaust than most. To me they are as real as any current event.
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September 16th, 2016 at 6:05 PM ^
If possessing empathy is not wallowing then not feeling sorrow shouldn't be deemed indifference. You're attributing the same fallacy to me that you're combating.
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September 16th, 2016 at 6:09 PM ^
Mr. SQ, I'm glad you care about past events. Remembering the past to honor them, as well as prevent more violence is important. I really don't care if you feel more "sorrow" than me. Whatever oh want to label it; why are people posting many comments about semantics ? Anyway it is worth considering that there are many terrible acts of violence happening today. I would love to talk about them but anything that can be considered political is censored here like we are in a North Korean prison cell.
September 16th, 2016 at 6:19 PM ^
The original post was about a football uniform. People somehow got all wound up about a comment, specifically Faux Mo.
Yes, horrible do continue to happen and will long after everyone alive today is dead. Cruelty and barbarism is what humans do best.
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September 16th, 2016 at 6:36 PM ^
Sorry, didn't mean to attack you or for this to become a "big thing." I just thought the comment "the sorrow never fades" was a little dramatic for an event you most likely weren't alive for...
September 16th, 2016 at 10:44 PM ^
I thought the same... mobile +1
September 16th, 2016 at 11:28 PM ^
I couldn't disagree more. Humans have created systems to provide free education to children. Humans have established hospitals to care for the ill and injured. Humans have set up political bodies so that our disagreements can be debated instead of fought over. Humans have created religions to reinforce morality in the public square. Humans have traveled to the moon. Humans have invented communications networks so that families can stay in touch even if they live on different continents. And humans invented football.
September 17th, 2016 at 8:44 AM ^
Yet despite all that they still kill, rape, and beat with regularity.
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September 17th, 2016 at 10:53 AM ^
I've never killed, raped, or beaten anyone, ever, nor have I ever been killed, raped, or beaten. If that's what we're best at, I'm doing something wrong. Have you ever killed, raped, or beaten anyone? Have you been killed, raped, or beaten? Your hyperbole is so over the top it's ridiculous.
I'm not a serious student of history, but I know enough to know that we've gone from a situation where 10's of millions of people died during our wars to now where thousands die. Yes, people still die, but don't forget, there are about 7 billion people on the planet. I would say that what humans do best is create, not destroy. But it's really a ridiculous statement, as most of your statements are, since how does one go about quantifying what an entire species does best?
September 16th, 2016 at 6:56 PM ^
I feel sorry for your family for not using contraception.
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September 16th, 2016 at 7:10 PM ^
I feel sorry that your father made the decision to inseminate your mother.
What hath he wrought? A douchebag par excellence!
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September 17th, 2016 at 10:55 AM ^
the board would be a better place to inhabit as a result
September 16th, 2016 at 7:08 PM ^
That's an overreaction...
September 16th, 2016 at 11:49 PM ^
You are a hardened ignorant soul.
September 17th, 2016 at 2:02 PM ^
I ask because I am 45 and knew alot of WW2 vets growing up. They were my generations grand parents, and I feel very strongly connect to WW2 through their stories. I have no feelings what so ever about the Civil War battles outside of the end of slavery, but the WW2 generation knew people who were involved with the Civil war and felt like I do about WW2. You likely aren't directly connected to those he fought.
September 17th, 2016 at 2:49 PM ^
I am connected to those who fought. My grandfather who recently passed was a part of the beach invasion at Omaha Beach. He lived into his 90s, fortunately. I think it's horrible, war is terrible, and I empathize with those that have been affected. My point was that the "sorrow that never fades" is a little hyperbolic and over the top dramatic for a post about uniforms. Hell, I visited the USS Arizona memorial and stood there with others recognizing what happened and the gravitas of what it meant for the future course of humanity. But, come on, sorrow that never fades on a sports blog about jerseys? It came across as a little self-pious, IMO, in a "I will forever grieve more than you" way.
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September 16th, 2016 at 5:20 PM ^
Tragedy is sorrowful no matter how long ago it occurred. When I read of historical events involving misery and death I feel sad. I can scarcely feel otherwise.
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September 16th, 2016 at 5:26 PM ^
Do I think we have a historical duty to remember terrible events from the past, especially (as you say in another reply) human atrocities like the holocaust or slavery? Absolutely.
Do I feel "sorrowful" about an event that happened 33 years before my birth, and that my closest connection to is my grandfather, who was in the service in Europe at the time? No, not especially.
September 16th, 2016 at 5:31 PM ^
World War Two was an atrocity. Why you separate that from slavery or the Holocaust I have no clue. I also find it strange that you do sorrow in the deaths of nearly 3000 human beings. Proximity to an event really should not matter. Human life is human life. The violent extinguishing of it should sadden any human.
I feel sorrow because slaves, Holocaust victims, and sailors and soldiers were humans like us. They loved like us. They aspired for more like us. They dreamed like us. For someone not feel sorrow at their fate is peculiar to me.
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September 16th, 2016 at 5:35 PM ^
So, do you still feel bad about the Mongol Conquests of the 13th century? That was quite possibly even deadlier than WWII, and certainly more brutal when you consider the weapons of war at the time. For me, it is a historical atrocity, not something I ponder with deep emotion any more...
September 16th, 2016 at 5:41 PM ^
Yes. I pity all those who die violently. I do have more a connection with Pearl Harbor due to both of my grandfathers serving as Marines in the Pacific. But whenever I read of a war or massacre or some other catastrophic event I pity those involved.
I do not spend hours crying over it or become depressed, but I do feel empathy for those victims. Those who died in the Mongol wars were not just numbers. They were human beings. This appreciation for their humanity is lost in the conventional telling of history.
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September 16th, 2016 at 10:04 PM ^
the Slavs were a noble people
September 17th, 2016 at 12:28 AM ^
Were? Still are.
September 16th, 2016 at 6:10 PM ^
ridiculous. sorry that someone has feelings that you don't have. get over yourself.
September 16th, 2016 at 6:17 PM ^
Btw, no way where the Mongel Conquests more brutal. Getting limbs blown off, incinerated by fire, stabbed by a bayonet, tortured and then killed, and a wide variety of other forms of killing were perfected in WWII.
If stabbing, slashed, and being pieced by arrows is you definition of the worst form of killing then many wars would for that bill.
But they are not. Not by a long shot. The use of gas in WWI for example. Choking on your vomit.WWII gave us vivisection, use of biological weapons, the atomic bomb, firebombings, mass killing by zyklon b and carbon monoxide...do not see how any war can come close to matching that in sheer brutality.
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September 16th, 2016 at 6:32 PM ^
How about having molten silver or gold poured on your face as punishment for disobeying the Khan???
September 16th, 2016 at 6:43 PM ^
This is gross. Attempting to rank the most painful death...eew. How can any of us know what is more painful?
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September 16th, 2016 at 6:49 PM ^
I'm a history buff too, and have always felt pre-modern war more horrific. You really gotta work to kill someone wearing plate mail with a dull longsword. ;-)