I know everyone thinks we should put the days of the Fab Five out of our memory, it was an embarassment, but truthfully I felt pretty damn good seeing Jalen courtside yesterday. I can only hope that it won't be long before the 5 of them are introduced before a game together.
Are you old enough to remember when Michigan Basketball was good?
i am with you on that. it bothered me a little bit that the announcers kept acknowledging only Jalen, while Jimmy King was right next to him. I understand Jimmy didnt amount to the magnitude of Rose, but i still recognize him as a great collegiate athlete. being that they both came back to their former home.
The Fab Five was what got me to start liking Michigan. I was 12 years old when Webber called the time out. I still have a Jalen jersey from the year after. I was a Michigan basketball fan before a Michigan football fan (and then two-time alum). This may sound crazy, but if not for the Fab Five, I wonder if I'd have ended up going to Michigan for undergrad- I absolutely loved them, and, in turn, I loved Michigan, and Michigan was "cool." (I am/was from out-of-state). So yeah, I'm in the Fab Five demographic. And Michigan was the coolest fucking school on the planet during that time.
I was 11 when that happened, though.
I am also old enough to remember Michigan going into the 1992 tourney as a 6 seed and a pundit one of the TV shows picking them for the Final Four.
1989. I remember where I was, what I was doing, and who I was with. I was 11, at a hotel, watching it with my dad, who was going bananas. The best part was seeing Bo in the crowd and on the court.
My freshman year, the team beat Duke (thanks to Tractor-Traylor). Sophomore year as well, when Duke was #1. I was in school for the post-FAB5 highwater mark, which was my sophomore year, when the team blew a lead against UCLA in the second round of the tournament. The closest they've been to that level was last year. By my senior year, it was Maurice Seabright and Avery Queen, et al.--a giant leap backwards.
Good times. Rice, Robinson, Vaught, Higgins, Hughes, Mills, Calip. Am I forgetting someone?
'89 is where it all started for me (my love of American college sports). The first NCAA tourney game I watched was the championship game and I fell in love with UM.
That spilled over to football the following season and since, football has moved ahead in my personal fandom. Since the second coming of the fab-five (Taylor, Baston and the gang) I have lost interest in UM basketball.
Now that Coach B has taken over I have started to renew my interest, and hope we will see more teams like those of the fab five (only without the contraversey).
Regardless of how that whole thing turned out, I have never seen a more exciting basketball team to watch either before or since. They were indeed fabulous (and I don't mean fab in the way of the pic of Tate dancing either.....nttawwt).
I think he even started sometimes.
EDIT: Late to the party. That's what happens when you open link in new tab and don't get to it for 20 minutes.
Don't forget a very young, really didn't play back then Rob Pelinka.
I was a junior at U of M in 1989. In fact, while the championship game was amazing, as was the party on South U, I actually enjoyed the semifinal game with Illinois even more. It was just as dramatic and Illinois had beaten us twice during the regular season.
I was actually staying up north in the Pigeon River Country of the lower peninsula. My aquatic entomology class was on a weekend field study trip. The entire class stayed at my professor's parent's cabin. Before we went to the cabin we stopped at a party store and stocked up. We all got pretty wasted during the game and screamed out the fight song all night. My professor was pretty cool.
I am mostly a child of 80's Michigan hoops. I really got hooked with the Roy Tarpley/Richard Rellford team. The era culminated with that '89 championship. Still one of the best weekends of my life.
The Illinois game was great...especially since we lost to them during the regular season. And on top of that, it was hash bash weekend....so the entire day was nothing but a party...The bars went wild when Higgins made that shot.
And perhaps even better than that game was the sweet sixteen round when Glen Rice was taking it to the Tar Heels, who had knocked out UM the past year...
We actually have a guy that size (Jordan Morgan), but he's redshirting due to an offseason knee injury. Frustrating to think what this team could be like if Morgan and Ben Cronin were available.
...I was a senior in high-school getting ready to head off to U-M in the fall. I remember the Duke-Michigan game at Crisler in the 89-90 season.
I remember in that season Sean Higgins being quoted as saying "Well, we're not getting the ball to Glen Rice enough" when asked why the team was struggling.
I remember Hank Gathers and the ensuing left handed free throws. *sigh*
I remember not traveling with my girlfriend (now wife) to Minneapolis for the final 4 because I would have missed scheduling my classes for my senior year on that Monday (and been killed by my father).
As for the time out, I remember where I sat in the Superdome looking down as Webber first traveled then tried to call timeout with the ref pretending to look away. I also remember four of us driving from AA to New Orleans in a Dodge Daytona. Ugh.
When the first image of Jalen came on the screen last night I was reminiscing with my wife about watching Jalen play. (JALEN! No, no, no, no......YES!)
I remember winning the first Big Ten Tournament.
And I remember [way more than I care to of] the lost decade of Michigan basketball.
As a counter to the OP's point though, I don't think I'm less patient -- if anything I think I'm more patient than the average fan. Beilein is the right man for the job.
Yeah, I was 25 last year, I can remember it well.
But to answer it seriously, I remember falling asleep before the infamous timeout game. My Dad had to explain it to me why it was a technical foul to call a TO you didn't have.
I remember watching Michigan beat Duke at Cameron on a sleepy Sunday afternoon a long time ago. We were wearing our Blue Uniforms (my favorite Michigan Unis.) The game went down to the wire, but Tractor Traylor ended up driving the lane with a HUUUUGE dunk to put us ahead. Duke's interior defense fell asleep for some reason and Traylor literally walked down the key and slammed it in.
For some reason, that is one of my favorite M games of all time. Dont remember much of the Fab Five and National Championship era.
That was December of 1996. I remember it like it was yesterday. I watched it in East Quad.
I think it was 12/12/97. I remember it because it was the day my daughter was born. We then went on to win the National Championship in the Rose Bowl. I thought (just maybe) she'd never in her life have to watch a Michigan team lose at anything ever.
Yes, 1996 we won at Cameron. We beat Duke again, in December of 1997, but that game was at Crisler. (Michigan students rushed the floor. I was at a party watching the game, and watching Woodson get the Heisman.)
From the Daily:
Exorcised Michigan comeback drowns Devils
Michigan 62, Duke 61
By Danielle Rumore
Daily Sports Editor
DURHAM, N.C. (Monday, December 9, 1996) - He didn't break the backboard this time, just Duke's pride. This dunk was even better, even more monumental. And while it didn't destroy the basket, it was certainly earth-shattering.
Robert Traylor took a pass from Travis Conlan, put the ball on the floor for one dribble and delivered a slam dunk with 6.2 seconds left that the Blue Devils won't likely forget, giving No. 7 Michigan a 62-61 victory over 10th-ranked Duke yesterday at Cameron Indoor Stadium.
The lane "parted like the Red Sea," Traylor said.
Despite struggling with Duke's stifling defense all afternoon, Traylor managed to win the game for the Wolverines and, in the process, destroy Duke's previous stellar 103-1 home record against non-conference opponents.
With the Devils up 61-60, sophomore guard Trajan Langdon tried to hit Roshown McLeod in the post ... but the pass fell right into Maceo Baston's hands.
After a 20-second timeout and with just 19 seconds on the clock, Conlan drove around a Duke defender and passed to Traylor in the paint.
That was the game we won in Crisler when they were #1 (also the same day that Woodson won the Heisman). The game we won in Cameron happened in '96.
Thanks guys. I had forgotten that the Heisman was the same day. I guess by then it was a foregone conclusion. The Duke game was still in doubt. Plus, like I said, I had some other stuff on my mind!
Desmond's Heisman was a foregone conclusion, but Woodson's was actually pretty up in the air going in to that day.
Tom Slaton (Windex), Rickey Green, Phil Hubbard and Steve Grote. They were up on undefeated Indiana at halftime in the NCAA championship game.
My Dad let me stay up late.
Slappie - how about Johnny Robinson (Johnny Rob)? That was a great team and really fun to watch. Besides the NC game vs. undefeated Hoosiers they came within a last second tip-in by Kent Benson of beating Indiana in Bloomington earlier that year. I also remember being behind visitors benches when we beat Magic/Heathcote/MSU and Isaiah/Knight/Indiana a few years later. Incredible memories and more will be made sooner rather than later. I'm probably way off, but this years team could still go off on an unbelievable run (Big Ten Tourney?) if they start putting the ball in the hole. They're obviously talented enough and can hang with the best teams.
That was Kent Benson with the tip in IIRC. and IU had a freshman Wayne Radford who came into the game and went 6 for 6 from the field to keep IU in it.
In my memory it is Dick Enderg calling the game on TV. All I remember for sure was Enberg yelling "Wayne Radford, he's 6 for 6"
Started going as a kid to games when Crisler opened ('68 or '69). They we're pretty good up until a couple of year later when they played Indiana in the final and we were #1 for part of 1977 as I recall. They were generally better than MSU about 2/3 to 3/4 of the time. Purdue with Rick Mount, OSU and Indiana were the teams to beat as I remember. Minnesota was not bad and they had a big brawl with OSU with some serious injuries.
Up until the Ed Martin thing we only sucked a few years but were generally competitive. We generally won the recruiting battle in the state. Outside of Magic, MSU won with lesser regarded talent and often a short bench because Heathcote could only get a few top recruits - white guys out of Indiana like Scott Skiles and 1 or 2 key recruits. This pissed off Heathcoat and Izzo to no end and they felt Michigan used underhanded recruiting and killed them getting the top talent.
Jud Heathcoate had no reason to bitch. He was a lazy recruiter and Frieder consistently outworked him. (He wasn't all that great of a coach, either. Magic Johnson made his career.)
not Slaton, and Joel Thompson was "Windex."
He was also Jumpin' Joel Thompson!
he lifted off.
Joe-el! I Remember him playing pinball at the Union and his legs were so long he would tie up two machines, his and the one behind him. Also wore a nasty elbow pad.
Hate to nitpick but it was Tom Staton that you loved, Ferndale's own. He had some big HS battles against Berkley and Bruce Flowers IIRC.
How bout Jumpin Joel Thompson out of Flint I think, or Alan "shoot" Hardy out of the PSL, or even Dave Baxter from Lutheran West. I loved me some M hoops in the mid to late 70's and beyond
...to remember when Cazzie Russell and Oliver Darden were student teachers at Tappan.
This leads me to one of my pet peeves: the media constantly perpetuate the myth that MSU has always been superior to UM as a basketball program, when in reality it has only happened under Izzo and Magic. Magic was a transcendent player, and Izzo exploited the Ed Martin scandal to the max to get a disproportionate share of instate recruits.
So, basically, MSU has been the better program for about twelve years out of however many they have both had teams. I can't wait for their current cycle of dominance to end.
going to be close to what it is you're asking on this, but just a fond memory. I was stationed in Saudi Arabia during the first Gulf War.
Hadn't watched TV in almost a year because there wasn't anything I could understand on TV in Saudi. But on the night of the championship game between Michigan and Duke, our base commandar set up a satalite dish in the cafeteria.
It was like 3 in the morning, and I was the only one there, sitting by myself watching the game. Hated the way it ended, but just to be able to watch TV, any TV, and especially Michigan basketball was a memory I'll never forget - no matter the outcome.
I was a senior in HS when Michigan beat Seton Hall in '89. Three days after the game I went to Ann Arbor for an orientation tour, and the campus was a mess. 1993 was my senior year at U of M and the street party that erupted on South U after we beat Kentucky was a lot of fun.
Exactly the same. Freshman in fall of '89, finished undergrad in May of '93. Say what you want about the Fab Five, but I will always love them for the memories. That riot, err . . . "street party" on South U was incredible. I lived way down Washtenaw and we started running to South U as soon as the game was over. No way that chump with the mustache could guard Weber!
...but not in this neat order...these were also my years...good ones in basketball (at the time), and football too.
I was a 4th grader during the '89 tournament run. I didn't grow up in Michigan, but when Rumeal hit those free throws, it pretty much sealed my fate as a future Wolverine.
The very short Jamal Crawford era was great too.
That was a great recruiting class. We beat Duke at Crisler (went to the game) and the fan base was energized by the youth and style on the team. The whole Jamal Crawford headband thing was cool too.
I can't help but wonder where we'd be right now if that class stuck together....I think they could've made for a few great years of Michigan basketball, maybe even rewriting the last few years as well.
I was a freshman that year. Kevin Gaines played out of his mind against Duke and outplayed Jason Williams. We also had Lavell in that class, and Groninger, along with the 6'8" kid from Massachusetts who was kind of a banger (white kid). Brandon Smith was also on the roster.
That team had a ton of talent. Too bad Gaines was a knucklehead and Ellerbe was god-awful. I can only imagine what JB could do with that talent.
I remember crying when Webber called the timeout. I was 8.
Yes. The memories...
During the post Championship "celebration" in '89 as I was watching the crowd try to throw a dude up onto the traffic light at the corner of South U and Forest when I was caught in a cloud of pepper spray. It wasn't so bad but I'm glad I got out of there before the car was overturned and bank windows smashed. Anyway, that win was the culmination of one hell of a week that included the Hash Bash (before it got all gigantic), days of unseasonably warm and sunny weather and a few Grateful Dead shows in town.
Some jackass pulled the fire alarm in South Quad with about 2 or 3 minutes to go in regulation. We had about 20 people in our dorm room and one of the girls almost punched the RD when he turned off our TV and forced us to get out. We ended up at some house in the neighborhood for the final minute and OT. Between the games, Hash Bash and the Dead shows, not a lot of class was attended or work done.
Those were my first Dead shows. They opened with Brown Eyed Women and I was blown away.
You may not remember all the post-Rumeal Robinson FT-induced nudity in the Mad Lounge of East Quad.
But I do.
I definitely made an impression that night.
I met Rumeal in 94. He played for a CBA team in Louisiana where I was stationed and I was very impressed by how nice he was. I took my old final four t-shirt to the folowing game and had him sign it...very cool.
Watched every minute of every game possible in that '89 tourney run. While a freshman in high school I watched Duke run away in the 2nd half. Obviously a sophomore when Webb called that timeout.
Dad had season tickets to MSU BB so I got to watch those boys play at Breslin. Only times I got to wear UM gear to Breslin. Saw a few games at Jenison Fieldhouse, too before the new place went up. Can't recall if the Fab 5 played there or not, though.
I was 17 in 1989 and in college during the Fab Five.
That actually makes me old enough to remember when the basketball program sucked in the immediate years before the Tarpley/Wade/Rellford class kicked in as upperclassmen. There were a few 10-win campaigns to start the Frieder Era that define the word l-e-a-n.
We missed Johnny Orr in those days
A few of us who lived in West Quad in '82-'83 knew about Roy's private habits before the world did. But man he could play. The team was great my senior year ('86): Tarpley, Wade, Grant, Relford... They got bumped off early in the tourney though.
As a freshman in 88-89 my first class was English 110(?) and had Sean Higgins in it. First day of class as we're introducing ourselves he says, "Sean Higgins. LA. Play ball for the U." Silk sweats with a silk hat which read "Wild Wild West". Striking.
I remember going to the State game at Crisler and watching Glen and Rumeal on a fast break and we noticed Glen giving Rumeal the 'thumbs up' as he was streaking down the wing at which point they completed an alley-oop thunder dunk!
The Illinois/Seton Hall games on campus were unreal. I finished in 93 so I got a taste of fab 5 as well. Those were very good teams we had.
...being in HS during the Gary Grant/Roy Tarpley back-to-back Big Ten Champs' days, frosh. year was NCAA title year of '88-'89, last two years were during Webber's two years at M. Ah, good times.
a lineup of Gary Grant, Roy Tarpley, Richard Relford, Antoine Joubert, and one other I can't remember. That team had to be from the mid-80s. They were very good and I think most if not all of them were in-staters.
Butch Wade, who was told not to shoot unless it was a layup or dunk.
Which was ridiculous, because Wade could ball. He lit it up in HS, and it wasn't all dunks. He had good range for a man his size and build, and he could play.
I went to Bill Frieder's Basketball camp back in the day and he rolled out The Judge to talk to us. Antoine was hilarious.
...is a lasting memory. Watched the game at what's now Arbor Brewing (I think it was called Washington Street Station at the time) with a pile of friends. Celebrated there, then spent hours high-fiving everyone we passed across the campus.
I also remember seeing Bill Frieder at meals with recruits at a restaurant on the corner of Liberty & Division where I worked.
I had season tickets in the early nineties, and my oldest daughter had a reputation for raising a fist to The Victors in Crisler before she was born. The Fab Five might be 0-?? on paper now and a few members of those teams cast a horrible pallor over my school, but they played thrilling basketball and had thousands on their feet every night.
that was the restaurant. They had some damn good pizza.
I was six, almost seven, for the 89 championship and have vague memories of watching the game in a hotel room on the way back from our Disneyland trip, but not the game itself.
Really, my formative fanhood years were during the Fab Five era. So I still pretty much think of Michigan basketball as an old-blood powerhouse that fell on hard times and MSU as the upstart. That's really how it used to be, or at least, it was when I was growing up. MSU is sort of Virginia Tech with some actual success tacked on.
I was a kid back then, but I have dim memories of Rickey Green and fro soaring above the rim for dunks. We lost to IU in the finals in '76.
I remember when winning the NIT ('84) meant going to the big dance the next year. I remember being a homer and picking U-M to go all the way, then suffering early-round defeats.
I remember Glen Rice going on a Most Outstanding tear in '89, and Rumeal Robinson icing the victory at the line. (*Sniff* Ah, happy days.)
I remember the Fab Five days, and the TO dong punch. Then the sledgehammer dong punch of scandal.
I'm going to stop remembering now.
I'd have to see a video to know whether this is just in my mind or not, but I remember Green's fro bouncing up and down as he ran down the court. Grote was my hero.
Uh, not only am I old enough to remember, I was actually attending UM during the 89 championship and the Fab Five years.
No, I don't. I was 1 year old in 1989 and have no recollection of the Fab5 except for what I've read and seen on "Beyond the Glory".
Last year was the first "good" Michigan basketball team I ever remember watching.
I remember the UConn game pretty well.
I remember Gary Grant as an Olympian in 1988 (a squad that didn't do much to recapture the glory for the US. Thanks John Thompson). I remember 1989 very well though. I was in an outlet mall shoe store when Glen Rice going all Teen Wolf against UNC (hooray).
I was a sophomore in high school and somehow managed to talk my way into my parents letting me go to the Grateful Dead shows in Ann Arbor (only about 18 hours away...no problem). That was my high school's spring break.
One of the people I was supposed to be riding with made the mistake of mentioning where we were going to his mother...who called my mother...who then decided I'd be visiting my grandparents that week. Awesome.
The Fab Five were my freshman year in college. I remember them beating UNC the following year in Maui (I think) on a Jalen Rose tip-in at the buzzer. I remember Michigan getting Jerod Ward a couple of years later. Bob Gibbons had him as the #1 player in the country. I couldn't tell you a single thing that Ward ever did after committing to Michigan. That's how monumental his career was.
Never liked Traylor or Maurice Taylor, but I always liked watching Louis Bullock play. Incredibly smooth.
...just seeing the question. I too started in 1991, with the Fab Five. In fact, I knew Webber when he was in High school.
Nothing broke my heart like the championship games in 1992 and 1993...especially the UNC game.
And it was doubly painful when all the sanctions came about, somewhat ruining my entire memory of the era.
But no matter what, the Fab Five are a major part of my college history.
My freshman year at U-M was 1998-99, so I not only missed the national championships in football and hockey by a year, I missed having a great basketball program by a year, too. My entire childhood we had a great hoops program (aside from the one year before the Fab Five came). It still bothers me to hear people talk about MSU as the established power in the state. It's true now, but it wasn't that long ago that it wasn't.
when the starting line-up was Cazzie Russell, Bill Buntin, Oliver Darden, Trigger Tregoning and captain Bob Cantrell. I was not allowed to stay up late for the NCAA final in 1965 which didn't start until after 10 pm eastern time. I was in school during the four consecutive NCAA appearances in the 70s. I was at all five of the NCAA games in 1976: comeback win over Wichita State with a buzzer-beater by Rickey Green; win over Digger Phelps's Adrian Dantley-led Notre Dame; win over Missouri despite 43 from Willie SMith, win over undefeated Rutgers; and the loss to Indiana. I was at the regionals the next year when we beat Vitale's UD squad with Terry Duerod and John Long and then the crushing loss to UNCC in the Elite Eight. We were number one in the nation going into the tourney, having beaten Marquette (ended up winning the tourney) in the season finale.
Ah yes, UNCC and Cornbread Maxwell - damn!
1. Being pregnant during the 1989 tourney with the now 20-year-old. Needed two glasses of wine to get through the final game. Only alcohol I had during the whole pregnancy. (Don't worry, she turned out OK other than she turned down the Michigan Honors program for a small liberal arts college.)
2. Final 4 here in Minneapolis in 1992 - we went to both the Cinci and Duke games. Had a houseful of friends who flew in for it -- had a great time.
Mike McGee, Thad Garner, Phil Hubbard, Paul Heurmann, Leslie Rockymore, Eric Turner, Tim McCormick...
No Maize jerseys.
All great players on some 'good' teams, just not a lot of total wins.
Yeah, this is when I started watching too. I also remember a decent guard named Johnny Johnson that played on those teams.
I was an undergrad when Cazzie, Buntin, Tregoning, and Darden transformed Michigan basketball to elite status. What a team, what memories, and what a tragedy that Buntin died from a heart attack so young. Hard to believe, I suspect, that this great team did not play its games in Crisler . . . the house Cazzie built.
(Indiana and Rutgers)made it to the Final Four. Also the first time that two teams from the same conference played each other for the championship-Michigan Vs Indiana. Michigan defeated Rutgers in the semi-final game but lost to Indiana in the finals. This was Bob Knight's first NCAA Championship.
Was that the Rickey Green that played with Darrell Griffith and Adrian Dantley in Utah during the early 80s?
He was drafted in the first round by Golden State but floundered for a couple years there and with the Pistons before spending time in the CBA. The Jazz picked him up from there and he had a solid career for 14 years (counting the years with GSW and Detroit), including an All-Star game.
Starting line-up for the '76 team was Green, Grote, John Robinson, Phil Hubbard and Wayman Britt. Front line of 6'7", 6'6" and 6'2".
to ever wear a Michigan Basketball uniform.
For some reason I was in Chicago during the '89 Final Four. I was a fairly young kid. I remember wearing my Michigan sweatshirt the day after Higgins' put-back beat the Illini. Being a Michigan fan in another school's turf is great when Michigan just beat them.
They spanned my time in Ann Arbor, and shortly afterward. Good time to be in school.
Watching the Fab Five is the first time I can ever remember the announcers keeping track of how many alley-oops were made. Win or lose, they were a fun team to watch.
Good discussion, valuable input, and very insightful.
Here's one slant I haven't seen expressed above, though, and this would be directed at the original poster:
I've been feeling plenty old enough lately as it is without your help, thanks. Yes, I was an adult way back in the day.
Not that I'm defensive, or anything.
And while you're at it, get the hell off my lawn.
Michigan was very good, but pre-89 NCAA tourney run had a reputation for being flaky, a little weak. IU fans appreciated wins over Purdue more than any other team of course, but Michigan was right up there. IU fans really treasured wins over Fab-5 era Wolverine teams, and really right on through the 90's when we could get them.
One thing to remember (or learn, if you weren't there) was how incredibly tough the top tier of the conference was in the late 80's. Just look at the 1989 Sweet 16. Michigan was there of course, and you may recall Illinois (both made the Final 4), but did you know Indiana and Minnesota were also playing that weekend?
From '86-'89 Iowa was ranked #1 many weeks and went to the elite 8, IU won a national title, Illinois went to the final 4, Michigan won a title, Purdue was really, really good, like perennial top 10 good (but never seemed to do well in the NCAA tourney). OSU and MSU had some great talent, too - Dennis Hopson (B10 PoY in '87), Jay Burson MSU's Steve Smith, although both programs had some tough seasons in the late 90's. Wisconsin and Northwestern were your only guaranteed wins.
He said the guy he enjoyed facing the most in the B10 was Gary Grant, who was defensive PoY a time or two. And yes, I remember the floor-length drive for the win at Crisler. That was the only time fans remember seeing Bob Knight jump up and down in excitement after a game-winning shot.
Oddly enough the first game I ever watched (and in person!) was in Michigan - Notre Dame in Crisler, maybe in 1973 or 1974.
and depressing at the same time. I first got into Michigan in football and basketball when I was 6 or 7. I remember Gary Grant, Glen Rice, Mills, Vaught, Higgins, etc...at the same time as Leroy Hoard and Tony Boles were running up and down the field. Good times.
I remember listening to games with a lot of these guys growing up - McGee, Grant, you name it.
And I was an undergrad in '89. I still remember the walk down South U afterward.