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Are you cheering for ND or MSU?

Assuming that the laws of reality apply and that one of these two teams has to win, I'm curious who people are cheering for this weekend - ND or MSU. I have very mixed feelings. Part of me wants ND to win because it will increase the odds of Weis sticking around for another year, which I think would be a good thing for us. But my dislike for Notre Dame is actually greater than my dislike for MSU, partially because I've disliked Notre Dame for as long as I can remember, while I was ambivalent about MSU until I came to Michigan for grad school.

I think at the end of day, I'd like to see MSU win because: (1) they're in conference, (2) I think ND gives us a little more competition recruiting-wise, and (3) I think the ND program is in greater turmoil, and it'd be fun to watch the program fall to shit, even though we might not have Weis to kick around any longer.

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September 17th, 2009 at 1:16 AM | Shoot (Score:1)
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Can't they both lose?

No?

Then I want ND to win 3-0 b/c I want Weis to stay around (just like you said).

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September 17th, 2009 at 1:22 AM | Yeah, I know what you mean. (Score:1)
Professor Greenberg
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Yeah, I know what you mean. There's something so satisfying about beating someone so unlikeable. And so fat.

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September 17th, 2009 at 7:55 AM | He's not fat... (Score:1)
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...he's big boned.

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September 17th, 2009 at 8:29 AM | ...he's big boned? (Score:1)
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Nobodies bones are THAT big!

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September 17th, 2009 at 9:13 AM | Big boned? (Score:1)
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I didn't know there was a front-butt bone

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September 17th, 2009 at 10:03 AM | Re: He's not fat... (Score:1)
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He's got a big what?

A proud first member of the Hoke Pointed at Me Club since 1/12/11.

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September 17th, 2009 at 1:22 AM | ND for sure (Score:1)
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ND for sure

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September 17th, 2009 at 1:25 AM | The fewer games ND drops this (Score:1)
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The fewer games ND drops this season.. the better that win looks for us.. MSU is already tainted by a loss to Central, so ND winning clearly benefits us much more than MSU winning..

And I only root for B10 teams post-season.. During the season..... meh.. I'm pretty indifferent..

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September 17th, 2009 at 2:18 AM | I'm with ya (Score:1)
MinorforPresident
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But GOD do I hate Weis! I guess I'd like to see ND win but MSU plow Charlie on the sideline like in our game last year.

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September 17th, 2009 at 7:35 PM | I agree. Weis is terrible, (Score:1)
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I agree. Weis is terrible, but for me, somehow, someway Dantonio found a way to be just slightly worse. So I'm voting for ND to win.

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September 17th, 2009 at 8:41 AM | Since I have to listen to my (Score:1)
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Since I have to listen to my Spartan friends brag about how great they are more often than my ND friends (btw I don't have any ND friends - how could you) I want ND to win. Makes us look better and I don't really care how bad MSU looks. Too bad we don't have to make these kind of choices during BB season. Maybe soon.

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September 17th, 2009 at 1:28 AM | This is like the old ethics (Score:1)
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This is like the old ethics question: do I save the train full of people or the little girl?

Part of me wants ND because that makes our win look better if ND is "for realz". OTOH, I hate ND... but I hate MSU. More specifically, I can't stand Charlie Weis or Mark Dantonio.

BUT I'll cheer for ND mostly because I don't want Urban Meyer or Brian Kelly replacing him.

I know from experience dude. If you know what I mean.

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September 17th, 2009 at 1:28 AM | definitely ND (Score:1)
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definitely ND

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September 17th, 2009 at 1:36 AM | Obvious Answer (Score:1)
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Tornado > MSU > ND

I never root for Notre Dame unless it would give us a chance at the national title. Or they're playing State in hockey.

To hell with Notre Dame!

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September 17th, 2009 at 9:25 AM | Loose pack of wild, hungry (Score:1)
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Loose pack of wild, hungry wolverines > tornado.

I definitely pick ND over MSU, however. I hate Charlie Weis but I want him to stick around because I think he is a disaster of a coach and the longer he's there, the better inherent advantage we have against ND. I don't want enough success that he can actually keep recruiting amazing talent since that's the one thing he does well and good players are obviously helpful to the next coach if/when he gets replaced. But the longer Charlie is in South Bend, the better it is for us.

I similarly hate Mark Dantonio but want him to stay at MSU. That gets less credit than keeping Weis, however, since a) he's not on the brink of getting fired and b) MSU is much (much!) less likely to replace him someone good when he leaves.

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September 17th, 2009 at 1:40 AM | I'm holding out hope that a (Score:1)
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I'm holding out hope that a rift in the space-time continuum will cause the entire stadium to just disappear.

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September 17th, 2009 at 8:45 AM | I think Weis is too big to (Score:1)
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I think Weis is too big to fit in a rift in the space-time continuum.

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September 17th, 2009 at 10:40 AM | True... (Score:1)
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And yet, paradoxically, one more chicken leg would raise his mass enough to spontaneously compress into a singularity, thus causing said rift in the space time continuum.

Obviously the solution is a perfectly-timed KFC delivery, just as the Notre Dame band takes the field.

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September 17th, 2009 at 11:45 AM | Charlie "Gravity Well" Weis? (Score:1)
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Actually, Charlie's considerable mass might actually distort space-time enough to create a rift. Passing through the rift probably leads to that magical universe where Jimmah has won 2 going on 4 Heismans.

 

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September 17th, 2009 at 1:41 AM | Normally Id root for ND in (Score:1)
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Normally Id root for ND in this game.... but after this week, and how Charlie cried like a baby...and how the majority of their fan base cried like a baby...and all the finger pointing, excuse making, blaming the officials and accusing Michigan of playing dirty... the overwhelming sense of 'entitlement' that those jackasses from ND have.... makes me very uneasy about ever rooting for them again.

Ill just take a neutral stance on this game now...

Strictly business...Not personal.

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September 17th, 2009 at 1:43 AM | definetly ND (Score:1)
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My opinion is tainted by a wager I made with an MSU fan that UofM would be ranked higher at the end of the year. On a related note, the only contact we've had this past week was him texting me "Fuck You, I'm gonna go drink until I forget its football season."

To be fair, I would have done the same thing in his position.

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September 17th, 2009 at 1:44 AM | Notre Dame 1. It makes us (Score:1)
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Notre Dame

1. It makes us look better
2. If msu wins at south bend and its an easy win they wont shutup and we look worse
3. msu needs put in their place as little brother, so the worse the season the more people realize last year was a fluke.
4. Screw big ten preception believe I used to be all for big ten teams winning but once we were bottom of the big ten last year and every b10 team telling us how much we suck and will never be good again, especially msu or osu they can shove it, every other b10 member can win their games and i want them to do good but I hope osu and msu lose every game from now on.

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September 17th, 2009 at 1:46 AM | Hmmm ... (Score:1)
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This one is tough because I really don't care much one way or the other. Normally I would pull for Sparty over ND, but ND has been so bad lately and Sparty's head has gotten way bigger than normal because of last year, so I think I would like to see Sparty go 1-2 to begin the season. Their next game is at Wisconsin and then they play us, so conceivably they could start the season 1-4. Yeah, I'm definitely pulling for ND.

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September 17th, 2009 at 1:48 AM | ND for sure... not only does (Score:1)
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ND for sure... not only does it make us look better if they start winning, but I HATE STATE... all my annoying ass friends go there.. they think because they had one good season that they are the shit now

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September 17th, 2009 at 1:52 AM | I am all in for the Big Ten (Score:1)
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I am all in for the Big Ten officials who are going to work the game.

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September 17th, 2009 at 2:04 AM | I'm torn. The more ND wins, (Score:1)
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I'm torn.

The more ND wins, the better we look (assuming/hoping we continue to win); however, there's no reason to give MSU any more to be pissed about come time our game with them.

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September 17th, 2009 at 1:58 AM | I'm rooting for stadium implosion (Score:1)
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But since that's unlikely I will be "rooting" for ND. All of the crap since the game has made it harder to pull for ND, but I remember that it's MSU on the other side and suddenly I have no problem doing it.

Basically, an ND win makes our win look better, helps Weis' job security, and better yet gives MSU its second straight loss. If they're not squirming already after losing to CMU, a beatdown at the hands of ND would certainly accomplish that.

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September 17th, 2009 at 1:59 AM | I hate Sparty more and hope (Score:1)
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I hate Sparty more and hope they lose to the Domers so our upset looks legit.

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September 17th, 2009 at 2:18 AM | ND (Score:1)
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Should State win, after losing to CMU, wins over both teams become relatively weak in the eyes of the nation. Should State lose, the ND win continues to look good, and hopefully the nation will internalize last week as a good win before ND gets pounded by USC.

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September 17th, 2009 at 2:36 AM | ND (Score:1)
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We wanna keep the amorphous blob around right?

Galileo was also chastised.

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September 17th, 2009 at 3:49 AM | Notre Dame, save for the fact (Score:1)
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Notre Dame, save for the fact that I have a ton of family and friends who went to MSU, and I can't stand Sparty and their fans. Pretty much hate everything about them.

They have to come crashing back down to reality and recognize that the collapse is inevitable.

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September 17th, 2009 at 5:15 AM | Fuck Notre Dame. (Score:1)
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Fuck Notre Dame.

Strictly business...Not personal.

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September 17th, 2009 at 6:29 AM | it's like rooting (Score:1)
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for Hitler in a slapfight with Jeffrey Dahmer.

ND.

 

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September 17th, 2009 at 9:32 AM | +1 because slapfights are (Score:1)
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+1 because slapfights are awesome.

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September 17th, 2009 at 9:39 AM | I think Dahmer has a few (Score:1)
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I think Dahmer has a few inches of reach on Adolph. My $$ is on the cannibal.

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September 17th, 2009 at 6:31 AM | ND (Score:1)
STAUDACHERBLUE
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I will take ND in this one due to the fact that it helps UM since we beat them. Also I would like to see sparty implode which started this past week and another loss would open the flood gates IMO.

The Blue is strong in this one!

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September 17th, 2009 at 6:33 AM | I want MSU to pound the snot out of ND (Score:1)
Don
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Normally I'd root for ND for one of the same reasons others mention here, that of maintaining ND's standing for our SOS by year's end. Since that's more important when we've got a legit chance to contend for the NC, I'm more concerned about our game up at MSU in a few weeks. If Sparty puts a 35-10 licking on ND (however unlikely that is), they'll be right back to their overrated opinion of themselves, and they'll be thinking that playing us will be easy. We can use every advantage we can get playing them in EL.


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September 17th, 2009 at 6:36 AM | ND, for sure (Score:1)
Sean@MATW
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I want Charlie Weis coaching there as long as possible. I don't want them firing him and then getting someone like Brian Kelly, cause then they might actually be good.

http://michiganagainsttheworld.blogspot.com

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September 17th, 2009 at 6:38 AM | I never root for any rivals. (Score:1)
marc_from_novi
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I never root for any rivals. For me whatever happens, happens. It's really quite irrelevant moving forward.

Willie Heston - 72 touchdowns; 4 National titles; 43-0-1 record; All-American; Law Degree

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September 17th, 2009 at 6:56 AM | ND Winning Is More Beneficial for M (Score:1)
matt D
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There is simply no benefit to an MSU win, it simply establishes the fact that ND was questionable from the start, since MSU has lost to a MAC team and ND would hypothetically lose to MSU, which makes M suspect by default. On the other hand if ND wins, it makes ND somewhat credible by beating a team picked 3rd in the B10 by most analysts, which makes M's victory over ND all the more impressive.

MSU Win = M just beat 2 teams that are mediocre at best

ND Win = better national perception for M

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September 17th, 2009 at 9:20 AM | Pretty much my thoughts but I would also add (Score:1)
victors2000
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any winning State does makes them look better, and since we are the top programs in the state, they less good rep they have, the better for us when it comes to recruiting.

You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a two-by-four. ~Dan Birdwell

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September 17th, 2009 at 7:20 AM | I don't care what happens. I (Score:1)
MaizeAndBlueWahoo
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I don't care what happens. I really don't.

"We've beaten Michigan the last four years.  So where's the threat?"

- Mark Dantonio

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September 17th, 2009 at 7:26 AM | Because I hate Lou Holthzzz SO MUCH I think I want MSU, but (Score:1)
AMazinBlue
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then again I want our win to be validated. This is so tough. I really enjoy dr. lou sitting there with nothing to say last Saturday night knowing he could tout ND as playing for the MNC. I think I hate ND more and we will have the chznce to ruin little brother's season in a couple of weeks. So........

FUCK Notre Dame!

I am silently praying for a giant flux capacitor to put both programs back to 1955 and we never see either one again.

What the mind can conceive and believe, the mind can achieve and...Those Who Stay WILL Be Champions.

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September 17th, 2009 at 7:31 AM | MSU by a billion (Score:1)
Michigan Arrogance
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MSU by a billion

Harvard: The MICHIGAN of the East

We're not arrogant, we're just better.

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September 17th, 2009 at 8:03 AM | He's fat boned. (Score:1)
BlockM
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He's fat boned.

@pnbloem | Ultra-MGoBoard

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September 17th, 2009 at 8:14 AM | I'm pulling for MSU (Score:1)
Tully Mars
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I'm pulling for MSU in this game and then hoping the ND can look good through the rest of their schedule, particularly when they play USC. If they can pull off that game (yeah it's a long shot...) then the SOS arguements are moot I think. Also, to be honest, I'm not so concerned about how our SOS looks. Just winning some games this year is enough to keep me happy. Next year I'll go back to caring about SOS and our ranking more.

I'm so sick of hearing people rag on the Big Ten, I'd like to see the whole conference do well in OOC games. I think it takes a lot more to improve the Big Ten's image than any one team's image.

'M-Burns', I'll never have better facial hair than this...

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September 17th, 2009 at 8:19 AM | This post makes me shudder (Score:1)
MH20
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I want Dantonio to be embarrassed on Saturday. Everything about that man rubs me the wrong way.

But wait, the same is 100% true for Weis. Charlie's existence is the bane of mine.

For the sheer fact that a win over an ND team that ends up with 9-10 wins will look very good on our resume and all the crap I took from MSU fans here at work, I will be "rooting" for ND.

This is the case of choosing the slightly less of two complete evils.

"The difference between a man and a boy is, a boy wants to grow up to be a fireman, but a man wants to grow up to be a giant monster fireman."

- Jack Handey

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September 17th, 2009 at 8:19 AM | It'd be funny for State to (Score:1)
sjastrz
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It'd be funny for State to have a John L. Smith style implosion for the rest of the year so I'm rooting for ND.

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September 17th, 2009 at 8:32 AM | ND by 4 points, when the game-winning MSU touchdown (Score:1)
M-Dog
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gets called back on a replay, because the runner's heel was out of bounds.

Shuts up ND.

Shuts up MSU.

M'Dog

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September 17th, 2009 at 8:31 AM | SAVE THE WHALE! (Score:1)
Dred Scott
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Need Charlie to keep his job!

Better ND finish...better for us

With the huge love and expectations at the beginning of the year Sparty can be Sparty with losses against Central, ND, Wisc, Michigan and Illinois.

Everyone has a plan...until they get punched in the mouth.

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