I for one haven't given up on the football season yet, and I have low expectation for hoops this year.
Are we setting ourselves up for disappointment?
So do I. The loss of Hardaway and Burke will be pretty significant.
WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE. I know we gave penn state the victory but don't give up yet!!! IF we want to give up on somebody,give up on AL or DEVIN. I say get Shane Morris ready,start him against iu. Then he will have 2 weeks to prepare for sparty. Devin is the reason this team barely beats arkon,uconn, and spots penn state 14 points,what are you doing, Devin??? When is Devin going to learn? I hope this lose,makes him learn that turnovers can and will cost you a game. We have a TEAM that is capable of winning out IF Devin just takes care of the football,IF he continues to turn the ball over we must benched him for Shane. Devin has ALL the talent in the world,he just can't turn the football over,simple as that!!! As for basketball season, I expect a good to great season.
Not sure if poorly-done satire or temper tantrum commonly seen in five-year-olds...
if many people view your post you are going to get blasted. I also think you are being a little quick to throw the towel in on Devin. However, I am also one that thinks that Shane should be getting some series at this point. I think there is a real possibility that Devin has a very limited capacity to read defenses and that teams are learning that about him and adjusting scheme to force him into mistakes. If he does not show an improved capacity to do so I think that Morris may get a look sooner than later).
(I know I know, true freshman quarterbacks cannot possibily have any success and considering playing one for significant snaps is as bat-shit crazy as....... say, Chad Henne playing in the 2004-05 Rose Bowl. Just goofy /s)
Gardner, despite his mistakes, is the primary reason we're 5-1. He's the only thing keeping us above water. Were you one of the "bench Denard" kooks?
What about Morris makes you think he's ready to do anything other than ride the pine? And why, WHY would you do something so cliche as to cherry-pick Chad Henne? I mean, you pretty much just nullified your entire post doing so.
Devin has a lot of upside. He also has 9 interceptions and 11 total turnovers through 6 games, three of which lead directly to scores by the other team, almost all of which have quickly resulted in points for the other team.
Only here at M Go Blog could a person who finds this to be a problem worth looking into be considered a "kook."
That's what the "bench Denard" crowd said, too. And then he got hurt during 2012 Nebraska and we all saw how that worked out. Meaning it's entirely plausible the backup could generate MORE turnovers, but without the upside.
There's a reason you never bench the guy who gives you the best chance of winning
Burke is almost a once in a lifetime player. It will be interesting to see if McGary can be as dominate as he was in the tournament without Burke and THJ. New leaders need to step up. People need to realize that this will be a very difficult season.
Dude, you mean dominant, not dominate. Pet peeve.
Thanks. I do have trouble with those for some reason.
Has anyone even been talking about basketball?
mostly on Twitter, but look at the final line of the OFAAT post from today.
Yes. Daily. There is even an entire blog site devoted to UM basketball and they post info daily. There is even a link to it on this page.
If anyone is "expecting" a Final Four run, they are nuts. Even if we were the best team in the country, the odds of reaching the Final Four are <50%.
If you think that there is a greater than 50% chance that Michigan will even make the Sweet 16 (where you think they will "land"), you're still very optimistic about the quality of the team overall.
Expectations seem to be the bane of fanbases everywhere. We will have a good basketball team. We will get to watch lots of good basketball against other good basketball teams. Hopefully we will make the NCAA tournament. Hopefully, we will get to experience the joys of winning an NCAA tournament game or two. But honestly that's all just gravy.
Never expect a Final Four even if you have what is obviously the best team in the country. A single-elimination tournament does not prove who the best team is, for good and for bad. It produces a tournament winner.
Yep as long as u qualify its anybodys game I never pay too much attention into seeding we wr a 4 seed and Wichita was an 8 seed in the final four
Your percentages suggest we have a 50/50 shot at making it to the Elite 8, not under 50%.
When you write "So you 'think' we'll make it to the Elite 8, because it has your highest likelihood," who, exactly, are you talking to? Was there another comment that got deleted? It looks like you are replying to me, but I said nothing of the sort.
If you're the #1 seed, you may in fact have a 50% shot at the Final Four. Maybe even a little more than that, I don't know. Anything below a #1 seed and your odds drop a ton.
I hope McGary will even play this year. His injury sounds like a real problem.
Agree. Everybody is being very cryptic about it and the actual things that are said are far from positive or hopeful. It is somewhat concerning because there are only so many things that happen to a back at that age that are not fixed with a week of rest and a heating pad. Based on what I have heard, I am concerned not just for the season but for him. It is being described as more of like a abstract "condition" than really an injury. I am really hoping for good news but I have to say I am worried about Mitch.
You never know what you are going to get with a true freshman point guard.
There are still many games left, good games. MSU away and NU, NE and we have OSU at home. I'm still going to watch. I'm still going to cheer.
Our MBB team is very good. We're in the best conference and I expect them to do some serious damage in the tourney. If we don't, oh well.
At a Chinese buffet I cried "why can't we just go undeafeted" after losing to a Lou Holtz led Minnesota team. I was like 9. So...yeah, I will always have expections and if we lose I will be upset. However, I move on. In my life Michigan Football has had many more amazing moments than unexpected let downs.
I was at a Chinese buffet in South Bend back in the mid 90's when I saw Lou Holtz there crying that they had run out of his favorite ....Cream of Sumyunguy....
The last time I heard it I laughed til I fell off my dinosaur.
Wow...things really have gone to hell around here when people whine about poking some fun at Lou Holtz.
Guess I didn't realize there were a couple of you that hold him in such high esteem.
Michigan never lost to Lou Holtz while he was at Minnesota. They lost to them in 1986. Lou was at ND by then.
because this is a discussion board after all. And other than the ALCS open thread this has more comments than any other topic today, so I'd say mission accomplished. And because I see people talking about how much they're looking forward to hoops and giving up on the football team already and it makes me sad.
Thank you. I can't believe the pessimism around here. This team is stacked!
How many teams have a preseason all american, two all conference players, one of the best shooters in the country, two near five stars coming into a solid team, some experience with Morgan/Horford and we have depth. Every team has problems and this team has very few.
MSU is the favorite, but we're not too far behind.
Funny thing is. last year, everytime we lost a game, this message board attacked Beilein as harshly as they're attacking Hoke now. On the eve of the tournament he was not a very popular figure here. He was being constantly compared to Bill Freider and people were even suggesting that he was just a recruiter, not a good bench coach (which is just, wow).
Even now, I bet if we lose a couple of games, people will start calling last year's tourney run a fluke.
The board is full of idiots.
Everyone is bad all of the time, everywhere.
I second that emotion...
...particularly in light of the past few days.
Not only do I not recall virtually any comments attacking Beilein at the end of last season--or comparing him to Frieder (though there may have been a stray one), NO ONE said he was just a recruiter. The fear was always that Beilein wasn't a good recruiter and wouldn't be able to pull in 4 or 5 star players--even though he had long demonstrated an ability to find the undiscovered gems--like Burke and like at West Virginia.
What I do remember is alot of criticism of unfair Hardaway--who supposedly wasn't ready and/or good enough for the NBA etc etc--yet now he's an irreplaceable lost cog.
We are loaded with more talent than at any time under Beilein--and it should be a matter of how good we can be. Mcgary's health and how Walton (Albrecht) handle the point will largely dictate how good we end up.
NO ONE said he was just a recruiter.
There actually were people making this argument last season. They were, in fairness, a minority, but they were out there. There was quite a bit of criticism of Beilein last season, particularly toward the end of the regular season. Even though we were defending Big Ten champs (and were literally a layup away from defending that title), the "His system isn't good for our conference" argument came up quite frequently.
There were also many who thought Beilein was a bad tournament coach (based solely on the 2012 tournament, apparently) and figured our game against VCU was a coaching mismatch - in their favor.
There were definitely people last year calling Beilein a "recruiter." I distinctly remember this coming up, repeatedly.
I know it's ridiculous, but the people saying it probably didn't even follow basketball when we were bad and had no idea what they were talking about - though they still felt compelled to attack Beilein, of course.
A great deal of the ones who are having the most violent freak outs were posting 7 months ago "You think we're going to win more than one game in the Tournament? You're crazy!" and such on how the team sucked and was doomed, after losing to Penn State, Indiana, and Wisconsin.
I know even without the freshman I think wr still a sweet sixteen team and a top three big ten team. Of course as long as they stay healthy
He's gotta be a 7th year senior by now.
He came in with Lavell Blanchard I think. He is a double redshirt triple senior. (What is crazy is that that was only still under four years since Jordan was throwing down on duke and the iron was unkind to Darius. Seems ages ago)
I don't expect anything, as a rule, with Michigan Basketball. Been burned way too many times for that. Just want to be pleasantly surprised.
Exactly. Precisely why last year's tourney run was so enjoyable.
Going into it every time thinking "well, it's probably going to end tonight, but this was fun" is pretty much the best strategy.
If McGary is healthy by the time we have to play Arizona, or in the Puerto Rico tournament, whichever one comes first, then no, I don't think we're setting ourselves up for disappointment. He played like an All-American in the tournament, and could be one of the best players in the country this season. But again, that's if he's healthy. GRIII is moving more towards his natural position, and with another full offseason he should be that much better this time around, especially if he can start creating more of his own shots.
Yes, losing Trey will undoubtedly hurt, as well as THJ, but we've got Walton and Irvin coming in to help replace their production, two of the best HS players in America last year. And let's not forget about Albrecht. Neither Walton nor Albrecht are going to be as good as Burke was, but they don't have to be. We've got enough scorers on this team to help pick up the slack. Finally, this team went through the ringer last season in the tournament. They're battle-tested, and know what it takes to dig deep down to win ball games.
McGary is the x-factor this year. If he's healthy, we're right there in the discussion for a Big Ten title. If not, it's probably MSU's to lose.
Basketball is far different than football only a little talent will take u places and we have plenty of talent. Beilein has shown he can coach any group and with so many returning players we should be fine. The regular season and the big ten tournament wr a disappointment last year so I don't see how we can have over expectations. All I want is a top three finish in the big ten an appearance in the big ten tournament final and a sweet sixteen all this is very realistic and I think we can exceed this
You mean by coming to MGoBlog these days? Yes.
i have high hopes for basketball. Goal is single digit losses and a sweet 16 appearance.
I think that's a realistic expectation. I'm expecting a 12-6ish B1G record.
The national championship is not the only thing out there - or are you calling last season a disappointment?
I don't question your heartfelt sincerity whatsoever, but as the prior commentater suggested a national championship shouldn't be your only definition of a great season. I get the heartbreak the night of the Championship game, but this far out? I look back on last year's NCAA run with pure joy and affection--and the last year's final loss does nary little to impede it.
The BCS bowl system has only exacerbated the belief that only one team had a great season.
If Louisville had looked like the best team in the country and mashed us by 20 it'd be easier to just say "oh well, good run." But considering how we were up and what went down it still stings that we couldn't close out on something you only get a few chances to get. It in no way makes it a "bad" or "failed" season. A great one by any measure. But one that will always leave the "what might have been" taste in your mouth.
I don't know, it might be age. If you've seen us miss out vs. Duke and NC, and then not get another chance for 20 years, it might seem like once again coming up short. If you have only lived through the dark times then this was a surprise, something new, and a great run that we can expect many more of. Though that's generalities that may not be true. Only thing that is would be that there's no guarantee we come so close to the promised land any time soon.
for all the good times and bad, which, in my world, puts sports in perspective. I was in Seattle in 1989 (and Minneapolis and New Orleans in 92 &93) and, while winning the National Championship was sweet, I don't look back on that season--with its ups and downs--any more fondly than 2013. The biggest heartbreak for me was 1993 because that was the one time we were the best team and didn't win. Last year's team exceeded expectations and I just don't see how one can let the final game linger in any kind of negative fashion.
beginning. No f-ING idea. Trey Burke won a lot of games. Spike is ok but not quick on D, defense will get burned in the backcourt until the freshmen prove themselves.
along with good players on the team like Morgan, Nik, etc. and 2 highly touted freshmen.
If there's a coaching staff who knows how to ease the loss of Trey and THJ, it's JB. I have more faith in JB and coaching staff than I do with Hoke and coaching staff.
I'm expecting a 20 win season and at least a Sweet 16 appearance.
If it wasn't for disappointment I wouldn't have any appointments.
Preseason numbers here should be taken for what they are - way-too-early predictions based on historic figures, but still, for your perusal, here is what Massey would say right now:
I'll let you go to the link, as the table would be annoyingly large in the board format, but if that table were the case, it would estimate a rather nice season for us.
This is 100% accurate. Do I think the basketball team will go to the Final 4 again? No, I actually don't. Do I think the coaches will get the most out of the players that they can and put them in position to win? Yes, I do.
I can't say the same for football at this point.
Don't sleep on Walton.
National Championship. They ended up being very good, but did not make the final four. This year, many UM football fans expected us to go undefeated and play for the National Championship. High expectations, that is what we as fans often have.
As for myself, I expected the football team to go 8-4 this year and I hope that we can still do that. I am very much looking forward to the basketball season and I think we will have an excellent team. I don't expect us to equal last years success. I do think we can reach the sweet 16.
Anyone expecting the 2013 Michigan football team to compete for a natty is / was delusional.
Yet am still severely disappointed with the production. Always thought the losses would be ND or later in the season. I don't see improvement and that's probably the worst part.
Never mind, then.
If people already looking forward to basketball and want football to be done, then said people have turned into the likes of Sparty fans.
Sometimes it feels like the only thing some of you people love more than complaining about Michigan athletics is watching Michigan athletics lose so that you can claim your complaints are justified.
I'm just saying, this has been the most "Sparty-esque" week on the blog that I can recall.
And want to be right more than be successful and wrong.
Some come out of the woodwork, some surpress what they're saying, and others just filp-flop back and forth.
Notre Dame game thought and Penn State game thoughts are written by the same people.
I expect the same thing that I always expect from our teams and that's that they will win a championship this season. Anything less and the season is a failure. That's part of why Saturday's loss was so hard, the football team was already a long shot even if they did go 13-0 because there are a lot of voters who would still give a 1 loss SEC or PAC 12 team the nod over a Big Ten team. Now there's no shot.
You have to be a very good football team to go 13-0... This is not a very good football team. It's a decent football team that will probably lose 3 when it's all said and done.
You are going to be disappointed. I mean, most of the time that doesn't happen, even for long term powers.
And it's going to be tougher this year than last. How many of the teams in the Tournament really had a lot more talent than Michigan? Hardly any. This year was a better year for seniors, and you have a lot more really good one and down type guys. Kentucky, Kansas, a few others....if we play just as well as them in a game we lose. They just have bigger upside players. It's not that we can't beat one of them. They could play badly; we could play exceptionally. It's just that we'd need a lot of them to play badly and get bounced to get past them all (whether we beat them or someone else does). Last season was not an exceptional year for talent in the NCAA. We might have had as good of talent as anyone; we were at least close. That's why losing last year hurts....you don't know when your talent base is going to align with the college basketball landscape again. We could be really good in a great year (like this year) or we couldn't not have a super great team in a year when the rest of the teams are down. Last year was a good match, we just fell a tiny bit short. Again. Sigh.