Archie Collins has done it again.

He was a life long fan now he has turned his back on us I hope we start winning soon or this is going to continue to happen.
Hopefully we can get todd chandler

Did someone at UofM give Arch a wedgie or sumpin? Dude carries a grudge like nobody's business.

I'd rather Hankins go out of conference than sign with the Bucks ... salt in wound if he ends up being pretty good in Columbus.

That's too bad. But aren't we somewhat at fault here? It seems we took the "prove it" approach and might have lost some ground in the process. Maybe that's too superficial on my part.

I hope we get a LB coach that can make an impact in recruiting if we can't even get todd chandler to visit us over Memphis somthing is wrong. I guess are old LB coach was good for somthing.

I don't claim to know anything about the inner workings of the Hankins recruitment, but TOB is saying that Collins works with ulterior motives and an agenda to sway players from UM. If so, that's lame as hell. Re: the staff taking a "prove it" approach - I mean, shouldn't they? If UM offered every player that was a UM fan but hadn't yet shown they were UM-quality, we as fans would flip... I don't think it's asking too much of a player to convert some of that potential to production at the high school level before throwing an offer his way.

Oh well.

I understand the reasons for not offering Hankins earlier than we did, although I would have extended an early offer myself. Any time you don't give an early offer to someone who's always yearned for you, there's always the chance they'll feel spurned and end up somewhere else. My bet is that it happens to every school, but it hurts double here if he does indeed end up at OSU. You gamble, sometimes you lose.

I would guess the staff isn't losing all that much sleep over this since it took them a long time to offer him in the first place. It will really suck, though, if we don't land any of our other late offers on the DL.

Who's Archie Collins?

Do you think we have any shot at him changing from Tenn? He looked really good in the UA game this weekend. I think he and Parker would be huge to finish this class.

Just so everyone understands the dynamics here:

Archie Collins is the defensive coordinator for Detroit Southeastern. He played safety for Michigan State under HC Nick Saban and DBs coach Mark Dantonio in the late 90s. He controls the recruitment of every prospect that comes through Southeastern. How he has so much pull, I have no idea, but he is responsible for lifelong Michigan fan Fred Smith being a Spartan, he is the man that William Gholston lives with, and he is now responsible for lifelong Michigan fan Jonathan Hankins being driven away. None of this would've been prevented if UM had taken Hankins back in the summer. Collins is a Spartan through and through, and he will run interference against UM every time the maize and blue come calling for a SE prospect. If it's a kid MSU wants, he will do whatever it takes to get that kid to East Lansing. If it's someone MSU doesn't want, he will do whatever it takes to drive the kid out of state. He tried his damndest to get Hankins to visit Alabama. When that didn't happen, he pushed Ohio State, and succeeded.

Maybe when Sharrif Floyd commits to OSU, Hankins will change his mind.

I have "player interaction skills", but mine are the kind with the ladies, if you know what I'm sayin'...

lolz

How is Archie responsible for Hankins being "driven away". The U of M coaching staff told the kid the lose weight and we "might" offer you. OSU and Oklahoma saw a window and made the kid feel wanted. Being a fan of a school is great but ultimately it's wise to go to the school that is the best situation for you. OSU convinced the kid that they liked him regardless of his weight. The kid proved he could work hard enough to bring down the weight and then U of M offered. It was too late by then. Archie is responsible for looking out for the kids' well being first and foremost. Why should they waist precious time getting this kid a scholarship putting all their eggs in U of M's basket? U of M gave no guarantees and got burned. If he turns out to be a starter then we might have another Vernon Gholston situation. Hell, Wilcher is a U of M booster and all his kids don't go to U of M (i.e. Mathis, Gholston, Barksdale).

Don't be blind, U of M has had a bad habit of playing high and mighty with PSL kids and the coaches don't appreciate it. The bad relationships have killed the basketball program. The same is happening to the football program.

The demise of the catholic league is killing U of M. Gallagher was a feeder program and is no longer in existence. All the other schools have significantly smaller enrollments. U of M is going to have to get better at locking down its backyard. The worst part is that we are not only losing talent but they are playing against us.

is to beat Michigan State's ass — repeatedly — while on your way to conference championships and bowl games. As long as we languish in the bottom of the Big Ten and lose to Sparty to boot, Collins will be able to make an argument against committing to UM.

That being said, it's not unreasonable to question the strength and depth of an alleged lifelong "love" for Michigan when a recruit does receive a UM offer and then signs with Ohio State.

Doesn't Michigan have an in home with Hankins tomorrow? Is that a no go now?

Sounds like a long shot. Maybe just maybe they can play some serious defense and get the family to see the HS coaches agenda.

And......

.....time to move on to the next recruit. If the kid doesn't want to come to Michigan, why waste time trying to convince him or arguing about it here.

Personally, if we're playing the "jilted lovers" card, I'm much more content with having Cullen Christian and Vladimir Emilien on my team pissed off about being "rejected" or "not shown love" by Ohio State. The Buckeyes received Zach Boren and Johnathan Hankins as "Michigan jilted lovers." I think Michigan's doing just fine in this game.

The funny thing about all this is that a few weeks ago, very few people on this board even wanted Hankins. Suddenly it's reported that he's going to choose OSU (which was a highly possible destination for the entire time he didn't have a Michigan offer) and now everybody's crying because we're losing a recruit to an out-of-state school.

If the coaches REALLY wanted him, they would have offered him earlier. The fact is, they've struck out on some other DT recruits, and Hankins - The Fallback Plan - is choosing a team that showed him some love the entire time.

Congrats to Hankins for going where he's wanted.

In the meantime, the only person we've lost on the DL is Brandon Graham. That means we still have all three nose tackles returning from last year, and who knows - we might get in on another recruit in the next month.

I told everyone not to panic when Beaver decommitted last December. Hankins was never committed, and we might not even have room for him, anyway.

Chill.

Is Archie the same crybaby that complained about Lloyd's treatment of Carson Butler and other SE players? I had always thought that these past incidents were the cause of the hatred of UM from the SE coaching staff, not just being sparties.

I went to high school with Archie Collins (Cass Tech, colors green and white, btw). I knew the guy since 9th grade and i can honestly say he HATES UM and always has for as long as I've known him. I don't know what happened, maybe his folks are sparties, but he has always liked the lil bros. I remember when I was in 12th grade and I got accepted to UM during an on-the-spot admissions interview, I came back to class and some of the other students were congratulating me. Not Archie. He gave me a nasty look and said something like "why do u wanna go there?". I just looked past his dumb remarks and said, because its Michigan. But he was being a real a-hole about it and everything.

I ran into him again when I was in college. I liked to visit MSU and some of my HS buddies for their annual picnic at the end of the school year, if you've ever been, you will know what i'm talking about. I saw him at a campus pool party after the picnic and he was visually upset that I was even there because he knew I was a Michigan man. I just gave him a nod and moved my attention on to the bikinis. I saw him hating, even though most of my other friends at MSU were glad to see me.

As you can tell, Archie hates UM and I am not surprised that he is pushing Southeastern players to go to MSU or to hate on Michigan like he does.

I will believe this on signing day. Bust out the snaked oil Rich. The one thing I have learned since I have started to follow recruiting a little bit the past few years is kids change their minds, a lot.