almost 2 months after signing day. I'm not surprised that there hasn't been any press about this.
Archie Collins earned a promotion
have taught dantonio well. Would be great to see this hit the MSM, but it won't. The freep would just find a way to spin this into a positive family values take for MSU
Nice find. IIRC, I don't remember Southeastern's head coach showing much disdain for Michigan. Too bad it cost us a shot Smith, Gholston, and Hankins, but hopefully it ends there.
So Collins sends 5* Will Gholston (who just happens to live with Collins) to MSU and 2 months later has a job working for Dantonio? What a coincidence.
Am i the only one noticing the irony here. The op put "earned" in quotes as if to indicate that Collins had not earned this job. I think landing 4 and 5 star players in EL is the definition of "earning" a promotion.
Is he a douche? Yes.
Should we be pissed that he swayed kids away? Yes
Should we be pissed he seems to have poised kids against us? Yes
but does that mean he didn't work his tail off to get hired? No.
Hopefully his departure will signal a changing of the guard and lead to the talent from SE coming here to AA
I suppose anything is possible. I removed the quotes, but I guess I would tend to lean toward the fact that he hand delivered a H.S. All-American LB to them, but I do agree that this is a positive development in regards to recruiting that school regardless.
He wasn't the HC at SEastern was he? I thought he was DC or something like that. Lol. High school DC to a Big Ten job? That doesn't make much sense to me. I don't know how much say a HS DC would have in naming his replacement, but now he does have a familiarity with the SEastern coaching staff, which cant hurt MSU's recruiting any.
Yes, he "earned the position". But he also earned it skirting the rule book. You're not supposed to have players living with coaches. I doubt anything comes of it, but the NCAA should at least take the time to investigate.
Honestly, who didn't see something like this involving Archie Collins coming?
almost john callipari-esque...
so is archie gone from southeastern then?
Pretty much all I can say about this. L-O-freaking-L.
Any chance at Lawrence Thomas now?
is at Renaissance. And it'll be a cold day in hell before UM is welcome at Renaissance.
It might if Thomas went to Southeastern and not Renaissance.
My fault I got the 2 schools confused. Are there any Southeastern recruits that may be back in the fold?
was obvious from the beginning.
Last year, there was a whole lot of whine coming out of east lansing about how Robert Bolden's dad was allegedly offered some sort of job with PSU. Now that this blatant case of quid pro quo funny business has come out, I'll be interested to hear the sparty justification.
I find it funny that he basically sent Gholston to State and then "just by coincidence gets a job two months later." What great family values they have over in East Lansing.
What is this, RCMB South?
"UM Skirts Rules in Recruitment of Jeremy Jackson"
So you forwarded this to Rosenberg? Now we'll get this headline: Working Hard From the Ground Up, the Archie Collins Story. Then it will be a story about how nice guys don't always finish last...
silly me pointing out glass houses
who hired him?
Our AD fired him for cheating.
after they got caught
a few years later
and shit like that
and ncaa sanctions
not message board conjecture from some tinfoil hat keyboard duster addict
Is there any major part of the UM AD still in place from when Watson was hired, though? Several Athletic Directors, three new basketball coaches, three new staffs. . .two new football coaches. . .I mean, I guess Red Berenson was still around, but this certainly isn't a recent thing. And, Michigan was slapped with sanctions for the Fisher era, as they should have been. Maybe it wasn't specifically for the Watson thing, but I don't think it was completely independent of that, either. And so I guess the issue is. . .MSU is unlikely to face sanctions for this. Not many people look back on the Fisher era and think, "man, I wish we could have Steve Fisher coaching U-M again, he certainly had his shit together." Perry Watson was a part of a very different U-M, whereas Archie Collins is part of the MSU that is right now, the MSU that is painted as a very clean and well-run program, as opposed to that hick running his program into the ground over in Ann Arbor.
so nobody on this board is going to admit there is 0.0000 evidence of any wrong doing outside of the insane ramblings of wannabe brian that ANYTHING is wrong here?
cool beans dudes
The obsession you people have with me is so amusing.
Oh, by the way: I wasn't the one who brought this one to light. Thanks for playing though.
i'd expect nothing less
and even the "thanks for playing" card
i can feel your neckbeard of smug un-earned superiority scratching me way up here in the north country
Right, it's not like you clowns haven't made it a habit of following me around on here, leaving endless comments on my blog, etc.
Sorry you feel I have "smug un-earned superiority." Maybe I should change my blog to a faux-communist theme just to be different and try to stand out. Hell, I could even have a chat room on there with a bunch of my buddies and feel cool by bashing MGoBlog readers all day!
endless? i think you have me confused for someone else, bro-ham.
and for those keeping score, we have
- accusations of obsession
- thanks for playing
up next on the docket here on sports talk radio, wannabrian is gonna bring his take strong and jack a slingbox with his huge call of the day
i read this again and since i've elephant gunned quite a few of my brain cells away over the years i thought maybe i just forgot some of it. but it's so nuts - i can't seem to find any of these endless comments that i've left or any trace of this "following you around" that i'm accused of.
it's odd. it's almost like you just make up conspiracies and agendas and misdeeds in your mind and then project them into the real world with no real proof and just kinda expect people to believe them because, hey, you're .... someone.
but you'd never do something like that.
Teh Interwebz iz reel world.
What are you talking about?
Nobody from the WLA is following you around here or leaving endless comments on your blog.
I left you an endless comment on your blog, in that it was lengthy......but you never published it.
Maybe you're confusing that, and the WLA, for me.
Its water under the bridge for me, but if you're going to accuse us of stalking you and leaving drive by commentary on your blog, it should be pointed out that a signed critique of specifically something you wrote, accompanied with compliments towards your work otherwise, you chose to censure.
Snap out of it, OB. Dont make it sound like the WLA has made you a target. That's just another fantasy
Didn't you just compare him to Perry Watson? So, surely, you must think there's a little bit shifty about the high school coach of a highly-touted prospect jumping to the school said prospect committed to, two months later?
i'm just pointing out how hollow this shell of righteous anger is
That's exactly my point, though. That's a Michigan from long ago. I have never known a Michigan that had a Perry Watson. That was the early 1990s. Hey, maybe Fielding Yost pushed a student out of his way at Michigan Stadium when he was AD, but that's not Michigan now, is it? I mean, I guess you can advocate apathy on the part of all parties involved, but, I don't know, I think there has to be a degree of transparency in college athletics. Just because Michigan has been found guilty of something bad at some point does not mean that we cannot ever blow the whistle on someone else. And you've admitted you find something shady about the situation; it seems as if you only want to hold your perceived neutrality over the heads of everyone else. But on the surface, this looks to be a pretty strange coincidence, and just because we're fans of a team that, under a different AD and a different basketball coach, hired a similar character, does not mean we have to just act as if there is nothing unusual about the situation.
i can get behind that reasoning
but starting the topic off with "lololol coach d-bag" sub-idiocy and just straight up convicting msu of MISDEEDZ off the bat is a wee bit more overblown than pointing out a strange coincidence. again, when there's evidence - like, say, a flipped SUV leading to a federal investigation with a trial and shit or even just a letter from the NCAA - i'll get on board with MSU IS THE CHEATERZ a little more fervently. this is all based on message board paranoia. there's no real evidence of ANYTHING other than the hire.
I agree, but, come on, man, welcome to the internet. It's MGoBoard. It's not like this discussion will change a thing. It's perfectly harmless.
It makes Michigan fans look like a bunch of paranoid idiots not unlike those militia weirdos. If you are okay with that, well, you are more accepting than I am.
but it's kinda boring to hold back every single time.
dex, I've given The Other Brian my fair share of flak for his conspiracy theories and whatnot.
But he had virtually nothing to do with this thread/article until you brought him into it, other than having discussed Archie Collins in a few blog posts from a couple months ago.
And by the way, your "wannabe brian" and "cool beans dudes" comments put you on pretty much the same level as TOB's "thanks for playing" and "clowns" comments.
I usually like your comments, but you're out of line this time.
nobody talked about archie collins until the 60,000 word tome on his alleged sins
this is a symptom of a larger disease
Regardless of whether we paid attention or not, the pipeline from Southeastern to MSU is real. And unless that's a fake article, Archie Collins' new connection to MSU is real.
So I don't see the problem.
people were most definitely talking about archie collins and Gholston's recruitment before the blog at genuinelysarcastic. Just because you don't know about it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Not sure if you're just playing devil's advocate, or if you just have some personal vendetta against that guy, but the fact that collins is now at MSU confirms everyone's suspicions.
Can someone email the Freep on this? Not telling them to write a story, just letting them know that they should probably write a praise story about how Dantonio is respecting the state of Michigan by hiring it's high school coaches?
Seriously. Very funny.
trying to figure out how to blame Rich Rodrigeuz.
I'm thinking about sending him a quick email to congratulate him on the job and to ask what Dantonio's balls taste like.
Because we already knew that they suck!
I don't think this kind of thing is exactly something the NCAA ever really barks about. It's happened before and it'll happen again.
And really, if UM is in trouble because of two or three players Collins allegedly kidnapped and tortured, then forced to sign with MSU
Then UM is in trouble. Period.
There can't be enough speedy midgets to save us.
on package deals in basketball. They just passed legislation this past fall
if you've ever heard any side of this story besides michigan homerism
yes. i formally request this man receive all my mgopoints.
should have sent a poet.
Dude can have all of mine too. That shit was top notch.
dex was able to squeeze in enough time to join us again in between his threatening emails to those at GBMW
With someone else.
are both right in a sense... we as michigan fans have no right to say any thing about hiring a high school coach because A: the players they can help us get or B: the players they have gotten to come to michigan... what ties did perry watson have to michigan??? none... he went to henery ford CC and eastern, his only tie in the loosest sense of the word was ed martin... at least archie collins went to MSU, played football at MSU and dantonio was his postion coach while he played there, so it can be LOOKED at as a legit hire... now i'm not saying that there isn't various levels of shadiness with this hire... i have always wondered what kind of "perks" collins was or going to get for swaying players to MSU... people on this board have said that odds are he was going to get a coaching spot at MSU because of what he had done, so why is it a surprise now??? i'm going to look at this way, the playing field for recruits just got a lot more level at detroit southeastern...
I agree with him
For starters, I look forward to the Archie Collins era at MSU
His influence is somewhat nuetered if he's on the MSU staff. Suddenly he has to deal with tricky things like the nebulous, confusing NCAA rulebook. This removes a barrier for Michigan. And kinda sets MSU up for a headache if their new stud recruit is going to have different coaches with different agendas whispering into his ear while he's at State.
I thought all this Collins stuff was overrated anyway. I dont think our path to Pasadena rests with the spehere of influence he allegedly controls. Hardly.
And, is it all that skeezy or rather is it stanrdard operating procedure in the world of recruiting. There are likely things you do not want to know about your own school's recruiting methods. its the nature of the industry.
Malazhan/Mustain didnt work out for Arky, but it was hardly unethical. It's something second tier programs have to do in order to raise their own recruiting profile. It's not that out of the ordinary.
Seantrel Henderson's Dad is getting a recording deal with Snoop Dogg, presumably in exchange for his son's attendance at USC.
Compare and contrast with Gholston / Collins. There is no functional difference. This stuff happens all the time.
And furthermore, if your son (whether by birth or by blood) was/is/will be good enough to play college football, and a college football coach offered you a job when he was on that campus, would you turn it down notwithstanding that it is PERMISSIBLE under NCAA bylaws?
Don't be hypocrites. Good for Collins. Good for Gholston, he won't affect Michigan fans more than 40 plays a year the next four years and he's going to lose those four games. The whining is disproportionate to Gholston's effect on your lives.
Collins is an MSU alum, and former MSU player who was an unabashed fan of the program, right?
I don't think they needed to give him a job to push kids to MSU.