An appeal to rationality & perspective

Submitted by MattisonMan on
The new 10-year war now sits at 1-1.

This isn't the species of loss we had in the 7 year streak. In this era, we have a good chance to win this game every year. And we'll get ours. Even a pessimist like myself is confident.

Let's remember who we are. We're not pee-throwing yokels that turn on their own at the drop of a hat. Let sober eyes evaluate the gameplan. Just appreciate all this team has given us and look forward to next year. Countdown begins.

HelloHeisman91

November 24th, 2012 at 4:34 PM ^

I am sober. The second half reminded me of my head coach in high school constantly calling a sweep or option to the short side of the field to out think himself. It left everyone scratching their heads but him.

FGB

November 24th, 2012 at 5:53 PM ^

Nutball responses on both sides of this argument set aside, one might argue that it is an extremely rational reaction, with a lot of perspective, to question whether the offensive coordinator who has had numerous questionable displays throughout his two years here is the right person for the job.

Questions about whether a coach should be fired and rationality/perspective are not necessarily mutually exclusive.

MattisonMan

November 24th, 2012 at 6:43 PM ^

Absolutely right.  And I look forward to reading that debate as it plays out, but not much of it is worth reading in this stage.  People seem to just want to bitch at each other instead.  I'd like to think this fanbase and/or this blog is/are better than that.  

Swayze Howell Sheen

November 24th, 2012 at 4:38 PM ^

this all sounds fine and rational.

unfortunately, i'm sure urban/osu fans won't think of the new ten-year war record as anything other than 1-0 right now; the year where osu was coached by the water boy probably won't be remembered.

 

chewieblue

November 24th, 2012 at 4:40 PM ^

I have ALWAYS defended coaches because no matter how much we on these boards like to pretend we know what is going on, we really don't. That said, the play calling in the second half was weird at best. Even if Denard was dinged again, the stubbornness of trying to slam away on third and short was mind blowing. I am really dejected.

ijohnb

November 24th, 2012 at 4:49 PM ^

have deliberated regarding your appeal and it has been unanimously denied.  Perhaps seek leave to Patience and Understanding.

frankosh

November 24th, 2012 at 4:54 PM ^

The best thing you can do for your sanity is stop watching UM football during the Brady Hoke Era. All it will do is leave you angry and disappointed. The same as the Lloyd Carr era, post-1997, when Charles Woodson made LC look so good for one season.

Look, as long as clueless, smarmy, money-centric douchebags like Dave Brandon are running our AD (thank you MSC for DB and BM), and clueless fans like the ones that make a disproportionate amount of posts in the commenting section of this blog (e.g. Nantucket Blue's eloquent voice of reason today) are there to defend him, we're screwed. These idiots are vocal and influential -- and cheer when we pass on a guy like Brian Kelly, and scoff at OSU when they hire Urban Meyer. It's hopeless.

As someone who has watched this crap for more years than I'd like to admit, the best thing I can tell you to do is just stop supporting it. Your relationships with friends and family will be stronger, your hair will last longer and your weekends won't feel like they were pissed away.

Brady Hoke is an average to poor coach, just like his mentor Lloyd Carr. While he's at the helm, the playcalling will always be predictable, the game management will always be mind-numbing, and the action on the field will be boring as hell. This is Michigan football for the next 10 years.

We regressed to 8-4 this year with only one quality win (i.e. Northwestern), which we needed a Hail Mary to pull out. Yet, we have lots of senior leadership and one of the most dynamic players in college football. How is it that we do not have 1 RB who can get us 1 yard? "This is Michigan fergodsakes."

Rationale I'll never understand:

1. "Borges wasn't fumbling the ball today. It's not his fault."

2. "Man, I'm sure glad we passed on that Brian Kelly guy and his 11-0 record because his face gets purple on the sideline or he wears cowboy boots when he's at a bowl game in Texas. Or man, glad Urban Meyer isn't our coach because he's an asshole, no matter what his 2 NC's and 12-0 record might say about his coaching skills."

3. "Hoke is a MAN for going sleeveless in 30 degree weather. So what if he still loses 4 games - 2 to our biggest rivals -- at least he's consistently superstitious. How admirable!"

4. "I trust our coaches. They know a lot more than I do. They must have seen something I didn't see when they kept running up the middle on 3rd down in the second half against OSU. Or putting Denard into passing situations against ND. Question nothing."

5. "I support Hoke's no-visit recruiting policy. So what if we continue to drop blue-chippers just because they want to look around a bit and satisfy their curious 17-year old minds. It's not like they shouldn't know exactly what they want to do with the rest of their lives by their Junior year in high school."

6. "Borges will look better when he gets his players in. We must ignore his results at other institutions because this is Michigan fergodsakes, and everything will be different here."

7. "I don't care if our offense is boring, I just want to win. Wait, what did you say? Urban Meyer's offense is both fun to watch AND they win? NO WAY."

I'm not going to say anything negative about Mattison because the score should have been much worse than it was. However, I was not impressed with how easily OSU was picking up first downs throughout the game. Their offense seemed to move effortlessly down the field and then our D just made a few huge plays at key points. OSU won the field position game in the 2nd half largely due to being able to move the ball at will against our defense, even if they left it down on our side of the field without putting points on the board.

Bottom line is this. Brady Hoke was 47-50 when he arrived at Ann Arbor for a reason. That lack of success, when compared to guys like Urban Meyer and Brian Kelly, starts to make sense when you see timeouts being pissed away at non-critical times, predictable playcalling on 3rd down, the inability to appropriately evaluate talent (e.g. using Bellomy vs. Gardner against NEB) and the program's inability to wrap up blue chip recruits at key positions of need (i.e. RB and WR). Whether fans want to admit it or not, Michigan is destined to be mediocre during the Hoke era, and because Hoke is DB's puppet, and MSC could care less about athletics, we're stuck with it for a minimum of 10 years.

Best thing you can do is check out. Go for walks with you partner on Saturdays, or play with your kids in the yard. Rake leaves even. If you absolutely need a UM sports fix, watch the men's basketball team.

IPFW_Wolverines

November 24th, 2012 at 4:53 PM ^

I find it comical that many of the same people who are telling everyone to calm down and be rational are the ones who were freaking out a few days ago becuase of Rutgers and Maryland.

nyc_wolverines

November 24th, 2012 at 4:56 PM ^

... Thinking that we have to wait to make a comment is dumb. Did you wait to think about the 97 MNC and whether the clock was mishandled at the end and hurting WSU? Blanket comments that we all must wait to post assumes we are all irrational, which is self-evidently stupid. Second, the most disappointing part of this game is the ONE win in 11 games v. OSU. I am sick of losing this game. Third, STOP the "OHIO" moniker until we beat OSU in CONSECUTIVE games. Is that dumb? Maybe but give Hoke something to work for...OSU won last 10/11 games. I am SICK of it.

misterpage

November 25th, 2012 at 8:52 PM ^

It embarrasses me.  That team has owned us the past decade.  There was a time when no matter how good they were I always felt like we would win.  I don't now.  I haven't for awhile.  The fans down there expect to win this game every year, and I don't at all.  They've dominated us and it sickens me.  Losing 10/11 games is unacceptable.  Hoke and co. need to right this ship.  It seems that they always get up for this game.  From the head coach on down.  Hoke telling the media that its "fun" is not what I want to hear.  I want more intensity from him about this game.  The coverage on ESPN showed how important Meyer makes this game... is Hoke doing that??  This one hurt a lot.

nyc_wolverines

November 24th, 2012 at 5:11 PM ^

Actually first time I heard Carr's name and frankly he deserves being associated with the horrible play calling today. 

Again... 10/11 since 2001.

10/11.

Hoke and his "OHIO" moniker can take a hike. I am sick that we have been beated so long.

The Rivalry did NOT change b/c of 1 GAME in 2011.

frankosh

November 24th, 2012 at 5:33 PM ^

More Perspective = Scot Loeffler

Auburn hired our one-time QB coach to run their offense this year. They are now in the midst of one of their worst offensive output years in program history. Recall, Lloyd Carr chose Scot Loeffler instead of Jim Harbaugh to coach our QB's back in the day. Loeffler had been riding the success of Tom Brady from his days as a GA all the way up until this year -- where he is now in charge of running the whole offensive show. In other words, no place to hide.

There are Michigan fans who would love to see Loeffler replace Borges as our OC. Enough said.

My point? The Lloyd Carr coaching tree should have never gotten started or extended this bloody long. And here we are in 2012 still dealing with it.

Nantucket Blue

November 24th, 2012 at 5:55 PM ^

Is that the knock on Al Borges is that he called a terrible second half...

1) Take away a busted coverage on the roundtree 75 yd td,

2) And poor tackling on Denard's 64 yarder,

And that leaves I believe, only 80 yards gained during the first half.  Even the second TD was on a drive extended by a roughing the passer penalty, and then again by a muffed punt/roughing kicker penalty.  That drive easily could have gone for nothing.

The thing is, man, that Michigan did not light it up in the first half.  OSU made a couple bad plays, all of which burned them.  Minus the bad plays, Michigan was blown out of there in the first half. 

The second half played out exactly like the first, except OSU either made sound adjustments/got less unlucky.

In my opinion, the issue is not that Al called a terrible a second half.  On a sustainable basis, the game plan was untenable.  That it happened to work in the first half was more a result of getting all of the breaks. 

Depending on how irate you are, you then can ask if this was just a bad game plan in general, or an extension of an ineffective/hybrid/young/bad offense?