Fuck the Free Press
to play football, not to play trumpet
Fuck the Free Press
FOIA does not allow one to get around FERPA.
Sorry, but you are misinformed. A FOIA request may have been filed, but the release of the academic data was not a result of such a request. Nor was it a staff member of the athletic department who released the information.
I mean everyone kills people, murders people, fails to submit to random alcohol testing nine times in a 63-day span, steals from you, steals from me, whatever
will never get old. Maybe 5 years after Pryor graduates it will lose its cache, but certainly not in the near future.
I'm sure you meant leaves the university of ohio state right?
Ohhh, Farmhouse.... I'm just sorry I could only click +1 one time on that. This is the moment that our overused cliche "LOL" is for. Thanks for that.
Although with challenging courses like AIDS
So either he's indignant or he's still on the sauce. That said, he was not charged with an additional DUI, indicating that while he might still be drinking, he's likely NOT drinking and then driving.
At least he better not be...
I'd like to be all "OMG WTF F*CK THE FREEP RAWR!!!" but come on, if you've been ordered to follow a set of procedures after something like a DUI, and you don't follow through, I don't have much sympathy for you.
Doesn't mean I'm dogging Stonum, but facts are facts.
he was spending too much time in the weight room and at unauthorized practice?!
We need the Rosenberg face here badly.
Stretching before practice. We're in some deep shit now.
Doesn't mean I'm dogging Stonum, but facts are facts.
Facts are rarely facts when presented by the FREEP. Seriously, haven't we learned not to trust ANYTHING they write?
you did notice the words "Washtenaw County court records," right? Take off your tin foil hat for a second and answer this question: do you really think that a Free Press reporter would falsely represent official court documents? Gee whiz.
I am not sure that your question is as rhetorical as you make it out to be, i.e.
do you really think that a Free Press reporter would falsely represent official court documents?
I for one, would not be surprised at a false reporting or at least a skewed interpretation by that rag. I am not saying that they did in this case, but, no, I do not take the freep's word for much.
Do you really think that a Free Press reporter would falsely represent official court documents? Gee whiz.
It's the FREEP. So yes.
tbh I didn't even read the article. I know 'fuck the freep' is a popular opinion around these parts. I literally will not read the freep. Many people say they don't/wont but always click the link. We'll see these people in 'Inferno-Canto VIII'.
And yes, after the sloppy repoting that the freep has put out with regards to this program, I do question the presentaion of the facts.
... this board would be calling for his head. Facts are facts. Stonum might be in big trouble here, and so be it if he is.
I completely disagree. The board certainly would be making fun of the situation, but other than a few insane posters I don't think anybody would be calling for his head.
There is a big difference between probation violation and group assaults.
While many may be melodramatic and say that Stonum "risked the lives of innocent people by getting behind the wheel drunk," the bottom line is that Stonum's crime was victimless and did not involve violence or the sale of drugs. I do agree, though, with the general sentiment here that his punishment will and should be handled in-house. Or, better yet, in-Big House.
As for that comparison to MSU, I think one probation violation involving one drinking incident isn't even "worthy" of being compared to fourteen players committing a premeditated act of gang violence against innocent students, especially when some of that violence was male-on-female.
I have a feeling, though, that Stonum may be like a batter looking at an 0-2 count right now.
While many may be melodramatic and say that Stonum "risked the lives of innocent people by getting behind the wheel drunk," the bottom line is that Stonum's crime was victimless and did not involve violence or the sale of drugs.
I don't think it's "melodramatic" at all to say a drunk driver "risked the lives of innocent people by getting behind the wheel drunk." Especially when you know multiple people whose lives were seriously affected at the hands of drunk drivers. When drunk driving is victimless, it's only victimless by chance.
drunk driving is one of those misjudgments made by a lot of college students. I would hope awareness, increased patrolling, and increased punishments have made a long strides in reducing the occurrence since I was at Michigan, but still.
Actually, given that Kevin Grady went through the same set of circumstances, I do not think the board would go overboard if this was a story about an MSU player. We don't have a moral leg to stand on.
I also agree that repeated organized group assault is very different than deciding, while impaired, to drive. DUI is also different than facilitating a cocaine deal, or a fraudulent cocaine con. (And even then, the difference is the decision to immediately dismiss someone from the team by one coach, over welcoming them back [after assaulting a student athlete so badly his brain was injured] only to have them do it again by the other coach.)
So I was hoping to get through the summer without news like this. Oh well.
And why does anyone feel the need to expose stuff like this anyway?
I don't think Anonymosity compared this to MSU at all. All he said is that Drunk Driving is serious.
You're right. Anonymosity appears to only be asserting that drunk driving should not be taken lightly. I agree that drunk driving is serious.
I then went on to respond to MSU related comments made further up the thread chain.
No no no, you see, him being a Michigan football player doesn't make it ok that he committed a DUI. Doesn't. If it was an MSU player you would more likely than not have a 3 post diatribe calling for his deportation to Mars.
a DUI is a relatively minor infraction for an MSU player - I only take notice when the MSU players get caught with cocaine in the locker room or, yes, beat the shit out of a few engineers.
most MSU fans will just laugh if you tell them a player got a DUI.
...the Free Press would have never reported it.
Stonum has now spent as much time in jail as I did during my college days. Mine were in the first two years of college as well. Well done, sir.
College students and alcohol offenses, sadly a common bond for a ton of us.
I hope he enjoys the stadium steps or whatever he's going to have to run for this.
Barwis giving out punishments? /shudder
release the hounds!
Is this something that RR can punish Stonum for in the summer? I thought that was something the staff got in trouble for last year - punishing kids for not going to class (way to have your priorities straight, NCAA).
fall practice starts in the "summer" so I imagine that Barwis and company will find a way to "encourage" better choices by Mr. Stonum.
While none of these probation offenses sound particularly egregious, they definitely point to a pattern of disregard for his legal responsibilities. Hopefully Stonum will learn from his time in jail that when you break the law, you have to make amends. Sure, it is annoying to check in with your PO or submit to random testing, but it is also annoying to the rest of society that he drove drunk. This isn't a newspaper or "haters" looking to pick on UM; this is a legit story about a football player who decided not to follow the law.
If they go to jail over their probation reports then it probably will be reported.
So - he was basically as stupid as possible about how he handled this. Time for some stadium steps.
wouldn't want to punish someone out of the school year and piss off the rational NCAA
I think it's safe to say that Stonum is one guy who is firmly against further stadium expansion, at least for the moment.
Sounds like the right solution. (It always amazed me that whenever it was reported that players were running steps at 5:30 in the morning, it was also reported that Coach Carr was out there checking up on them at that ungodly hour. Wonder if RR will do the same?)
They need to put a flight of steps in back of the new press boxes/club seating structures just to give them that extra distance to run.
Braylon Edwards, Chris Perry, Benny Joppru, Adrian Arrington.
Just some of the few names that have learned lessons by waking early to go run the steps.
Would be better suited for some time on Barwis Beach...
this is a classic case of "getting to know your enemy". Where better to learn about MSU than in the criminal justice system?
We could really use Stonum this year. Hopefully he straightens all this out and gets his head back in the game. No reason to throw everything away like this.
but by no means a disaster for the program. This is a "college athlete does something stupid" story, not a "college athlete commits terrible crime" story or a "team X found cheating" story...If Big Ten teams couldn't field guys who have had scrapes with the law, Penn St. and Iowa would have had about twenty scholarship players each the last couple of years.
I was pulling for him to be the next to wear the #1 jersey. Now, not so much. Hopefully he figures it all out. He has as much potential as any other receiver on the roster right now.
We need to have a player that is a leader on the field and off the field to get the next number 1.
Sadly it's too late for Stonum to earn the #1 jersey. Hopefully one of the guys on the current roster can step up and fill that spot.
Paging Ricardo Miller.
He seems to have shot at it, I would like to see our offense really bring the heat this season and have one of the receivers next year start with the the #1 on their jersey.
You mean Roy Roundtree?
He probably won't get it, but I would love to see Odoms in the #1 because of they way he plays. He blocks really well, which a lot of receivers don't want to do. There was the strectch where he dropped some balls but he does what he does well.
If nothing else, we at least seem to have competition for the jersey.
"At the time, the Michigan Daily cited a police report stating that Stonum, then 18, blew a 0.10 on a Breathalyzer, above the 0.02 limit for a minor to drive."
I thought the limit for a minor to drive was 0.00?
For a minor at any time is .00.
Two different things, but yea, the freep...
Look it up. Law was passed based upon religious ceremonies. He'd have to prove its connection but it IS legal
I'm not saying he should be kicked off the team, but a DUI is not an MIP. Every college kids drinks. Many get MIPs. Very, very few get DUIs. I'm surprised some people are brushing this off like it's no big deal.
Then add to the fact that he failed to report for drug tests nine times? That's bad.
The pull quotes are misleading. Stonum has already been punished by RR for the DUI. He sat out a game last season. So, that is done.
The new infraction, and the one he went to jail for, is not fulfilling the terms of his probation. There may be some new punishment from RR for that. We don't know.
That's a good clarification. I didn't mean to say that Stonum should be punished for the DUI - that's in the past and has been done. But some people above are brushing off the DUI like it's not a big deal. And when you add it to the parole violations, it's a definite pattern that should probably lead to missed time on the field (and not just running steps).
Doesn't it seem like he went home for the summer or went on some trips, which violated his probation? 9x in 63 days: let's say he went back to TX for a week or 10 days or something, and his probation people figured this out and called him every day he was gone, and then he randomly missed one 2 months later or 2 months prior? And the fact that one of the charges is leaving the state without permission. . . makes me think a scenario like this took place.
Regardless, it's a bonehead move on his part, and it's obviously not like he said to the coaching staff, "hey, guys, I'm on probation, but I'm gonna head to TX for 4th of July and a week after. Make sure no one misses me." All in all, though, irresponsible by him. And as for the stadium steps, they can/should be "voluntary." Just like they were for Joppru, Braylon, et. al. That rule, to my knowledge, hasn't changed; there has to be a way to do it within the rules. Perhaps the "punishment" that we were meting out during the summers past that went over the "mandatory" 10 hour-per-week summer max were some sort of group conditioning sessions or something. There's GOT to be a way to make him run stadium stairs at 6 am or something without running afoul of NCAA rules.
I think Roh and Odoms should go beat up some nerds to try and draw some attention away from this situation.
That he "failed to submit to random piss tests nine times in 63 days" could mean that:
a) he missed 9 piss tests in 63 days, OR
b) he was required to appear for 9 piss tests over a 63 day span (i.e. one per week), and failed to reach the required total of 9. That could theoretically mean that he missed one test.
I don't know the procedure for post-DUI probation... anyone have an idea of which of these two is more likely?
It's most likely he was required to submit to alcohol testing X many times per week, like Monday, Wednesday, Friday by 9:00 am. Or he may have been required to submit to random alcohol testing, where he's assigned a color or a number that designates testing frequenct/report days and times. The color or number would randomally be called throughtout the week and the responsibility would fall on the offender to find out if they have to report, usually by calling in to some type of automated announcement.
I'm not sure how Washtenaw County operates, but misdemeanor probation usually requires minimal supervision and testing requirements. So in all likelihood Mr. Stonum missed a total of 9 random/scheduled tests over a 63-day period. And he was most likely only required to meet with his probation officer one-time per month, which he also failed to do on several occasions.
The failure to report nine times line is ambiguous. It could mean there were nine times he didn't report or that he didn't report all nine times like he was supposed to.
Yeah, I was wondering about that, too. There's definitely a key distinction there. If he reported eight of the nine times and just forgot the other time, then this is just an unfortunate situation (but the law's the law, so he can't really complain). If he never reported, or only did a couple of times, he has no excuse and deserves punishment.
Right, one is far more worrisome than the other.
"Very, very few (college kids) get DUIs."
really? what college do you go to?
Not many people know the name, but he was on his way to work one day as a teacher in Grand Rapids, when he was killed instantly by a drunk driver going the wrong way on the highway with no lights on. There is a Memorial golf tournament in Perry Michigan to raise funds for his wife to support their only child on July 31st. I have donated 4 tickets to the Bowling Green game as an item for the silent auction. Aaron was a big Michigan fan.
I know Stonum didn't kill anyone, but it is time we took drinking and driving seriously. I would at the very least like to see him run stairs for a few weeks.
Stonum has already been punished by RR for the DUI. He sat out a game last season. So, that is done. The new infraction, and the one he went to jail for, is not fulfilling the terms of his probation. There may be some new punishment from RR for that. We don't know.
While we all are in agreement that drinking and driving is a very serious offense and my sympathies are with the family and friends of Aaron Haynes, the reality is that Stonum has already been punished by Rodriguez for the DUI. I believe that he should be further punished for his probation violation, but a firm distinction needs to be made between the DUI that occurred several years ago and the more recent probation violation.
A failure to punish Stonum, hypothetically, wouldn't reflect that anyone is not taking drinking and driving seriously; rather, it would reflect how seriously the probation violations are taken.
while she was walking down the street. Car jumped the curb and knocked her into a dumpster. She was a Phd student.
My former UM roommate's mom was killed by DUI driver, she was sitting in her car outside their house. Car lost control and slammed into her.
Don't drink and drive.
This reporting is fair. Violating probation is a serious issue. Nobody is above the law.
disagrees. As does King George III. But I see your point.
No one has mentioned "second chances"...
He already got one. Maybe third chances?
Here's hoping that Stokes, Ricardo, or J. Robinson are prepared to step into a starting role against UConn, and possibly ND.
3 days in jail, for whatever reason, has a 1 or 2 game suspension written all over it. I would be a gigantic hypocrate if I made any other assertion considering my stance on every other teams' players' misgivings over the last year (MSU nerd beating, ND house-party-seven, the entire SEC) .
I recommend that Rich contact Coach Dantonio and the MSU football office for advice on handling this matter. MSU has always dealt with student-athelete jail time issues in the most professional manner and with the integrity of the program as the highest priority.
could be worse
"From May 15, 2009, through June 1, 2010, according to court records, he committed probation violations such as leaving the state without consent, failing to submit to random alcohol testing nine times in a 63-day span, failing to complete additional alcohol testing and failing to report for probation on multiple occasions." ...extenuating circumstances?
i.e. "Coach, I'm going home for a short visit and I'm going to miss the last few weeks of "random" alcohol testing." Wouldn't be the first time the "roll of butt wipe in Detroit" ommited a few important facts to attempt making rr and his players look bad or go look up "it doesn't matter, it's in the past" material for their machinations against them.
the freep is in my opinion is the worst newspaper in michigan
No question about that, but that's not relavent to the matter at hanb because it happened quite some time ago and he's already been punished for it.
The matter at hand is that he violated terms of his probation, which I am not going to comment on the relative stupidity on until I know the details I'm never going to get. This certainly isn't something to brush off, but I don't think he needs to miss any games over it, especially if the circumstances had anything to do with his living in Texas and violating parole for going back there. Stadium steps and a stern talking to are good enough, methinks.
RIght on. Failing to complete the terms of misdemeanor probation is not uncommon. Probation revoked, serve some jail time, case closed. The only reason this could become a problem for Mr. Stonum is if he had an agreement that he must comply with the terms of probation, or else. If that's the case, he can count on some addiitonal punishment coming his way.
That's being generous.
Unless the Freep is making this up out of whole cloth, Stonum is clearly flouting his legal responsibilities and he should be punished by RR. In addition to running steps from now until the beginning of the season, I'd also sit him for the entire UConn game.
If you think that's too harsh, I'd say that Stonum is showing that he really doesn't give a shit.
We just have to see if the Freep is spinning this or reporting the truth, for once.
I don't disagree with any of this. I just don't think he should be thrown out sight unseen. the proper approach to this is:
He's on EXTREMELY thin ice. He fucked up once, and was punished. But he has now fucked up TWICE and compounded the first fuckup. He needs to prove his commitment not only to the team, but to doing the right thing as a functioning member of society. If he does that, he's welcome back. If he does not do that...well, there's the door.
to be addressed. However, every time this happens to a player the Freep has to jump on it. You can find this issue at high-schools and colleges across the world. Why doesn't the Freep write an article that addresses drinking in sports and propose solutions. The Freep is our local version of a gossip magazine ... pitiful. Go Blue !!!
Every paper reports prominent sports figures getting DUI's.
While I agree that this is boneheaded move by Stonum, how did the FreeP get ahold of this? Do they have someone in the court clerk's office on the payroll, tipping them off on anything related to Michigan football?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I was under the impression that these instances (probation violations, jail sentences) aren't readily available to the public and that you'd actually have to do a fair amount of digging (e.g., requesting court records) to find something like this out. If that's indeed the case, it further relegates the FreeP to the ranks of the tabloid newsrags.
This is public record. IMHE, its kinda lame and weak that it took the Freep this long to bring us the story.
Maybe Crime Reporter can correct me, but I spent some time on the police/court beat, and this would have been public record the second the gavel comes down and readily accessible through the district or circuit court clerk's office. The proceedings were open to the public as well. I worked for a weekly up in Charlevoix and as one of my many beats covered the courts. One day a week I would pour over all the circuit and district court findings to see if there was anything worth reporting. Police repoirts, accounts of any witnesses, eventual sentences, they were all there and I didnt have to FOIA anything. I just asked for it. Now, most of the juicy stuff worth reporting was on going, so if I saw anything good I would do a basic wrtieup, then put the next court appearance on my calendar and then show up and watch.
Somebody must have been on vacation. Why this wasnt a story in mid June instead of mid July makes me chuckle at the Freep even more.
I did some court appointed community service with Darryl last summer...
At least he didn't blow a 2.18. Or was it 2.81? GRADY #1 Drunk Driver! #6 RB. :(