Someone asked in an earlier thread but when is the last time a team dropped in the polls in consecutive weeks after winning both games?
AP Poll: Michigan 18, coaches: 17
When you almost lose to two lesser opponents. You're gonna drop in the polls. Not surprised one bit, we've been awful the last two weeks.
I don't think he implying that Michigan didn't deserve to drop. I think he sincerely wants to know when the last time something like this happened.
This happens every single year. The preseason polls is just made-up opinions and rankings are sorted out over the first few weeks. No big deal.
Yes you are correct. Early opinions can often be wrong and these things eventually sort themselves out over the course of a season.
Just like how there were idiots in the film industry who actually thought The Pumaman was going to be a good movie. It was not.
EDIT: Embed fail, here is the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXsu0ueiB9k
EDIT2: Just an FYI, David From Wyoming, your avatar is awesome.
It happened to OSU this season.
My original question
When was the last time a team dropped multiple spots in the polls two weeks in a row after wins?
That did not happen to OSU this year. But maybe it does happen frequently, even if we just look for teams who dropped multiple spots in both the AP and USA Today polls two weeks in a row after wins. But I still don't know when the last time it happened was.
My guess is that it happens occasionally. What's impressive about our fall is that it's not due to teams just below us in the rankings leaping up with good wins against good opponents. We're doing this all by ourselves.
>>We're doing this all by ourselves.
Ain't that the truth
You would have to go all the way back to earlier this year with Ohio.
Or around 2010.... I remember Wisconsin started off 5-0, and they were unranked.
Then they lost their 6th game. At 5-1 they were unranked.
Then they lost their 7th game. At 5-2, they were then ranked.
I remember thinking that was absolutely ridiculous.
About what I expected.
we're still overrated. Wisconsin right now is better than us without a doubt. Several others ranked between 19-25 have better resumes, too.
I agree UM might be a bit overrated, but I also think Miami is as well and everyone is talking them up. The team has played poorly for two weeks, but is still 4-0. That has to count for something.
They actually dominate the games they are supposed to and they beat Florida. Miami would beat Michigan.
They beat Florida, but they were in no way whatsoever the better team. They played well for about 10 minutes, got a lead, and watched Florida shoot itself in the foot on about 10 drives in a row to give Miami the game.
Unrelated, but reading on ESPN that frank Clark said after the game that "were michigan, were going to stop playing down to our competition and get this fixed" while that's the right attitude, your not Michigan, your not playing like it at all, stop worrying about championships and start worrying about your play and blocking. We don't even have the basics down and talk about playing for titles.
I wish we had moderating back so I could neg you. You do not get to decide who is Michigan and who is not. They may not be playing like you expect Michigan to, but this team still is Michigan.
Say what you want, having uconn almost beat you is not michigan
Needing a bullshit PI call and a goal line stand to beat Akron isn't Michigan either. Cut the "this is Michigan ferkgodsakes" bullshit. We're Michigan -- still means we have to go out there and play. This team is too complacent and I think that comes directly from the top.
you really think we wouldn't have beaten akron without a PI call on first down that netted us 10 yards?
In my opinion, the PI really helped Akron since we ended up scoring way too quickly, that is obvioulsy with the assumption that we would have still scored. But either way, the team underperformed.
There were 3 BS PI calls, two against them, one against us that didn't get called. Ref's wouldn't let us lose.
What do you want the coaches to do? Bite the heads off bats and scream at these kids in front of cameras so you can see it? Maybe you want to see video of them all running the steps at the stadium for 5 hours straight? People who run around and scream stuff is unacceptable and the team is this or that have not a clue. All you know is how the team is performing on the field, period, and you otherwise have theories as to what is going on for which you have no data nor evidence beyond your thoughts. Here is the data and observations I can see based on the performance on the field:
1) Gardner carries the ball very loose when running and scrambling.
2) The offensive line does not do a very good job of keeping Gardner clean in general.
3) Our QB's confidence and his ability to throw those darts he threw against ND is erratic. Might have something to do with being his 9th start, might get better, might not. He tries to do too much sometimes and carry this team. Might have to do with the lack of experienced talent at WR beyond Gallon and the 3 middle o-lineman. Maybe sitting and watching Denard for the past 3 years might have had an impact on this.
4) Our defense actually played fairly decent yesterday, giving up only 7 real points as they did not give up the fumble return for a TD and they did not screw up the punt.
No doubt we could list a bunch more, which would be an exercise that would at least provide some rational basis as to what is going on and what might be done to fix it. I doubt the issue is complacency, rather it is talent and experience and learning how to play your position and depend on others to do their jobs which is most likely in play.
Most importantly, we can't all brag about what a likeable guy Hoke is, and how his fatherly appeal is what's helping us make great strides on the recruiting trail, than want him to go all Jeckle and Hyde on the players when they unfortunately demonstrate their lack of experience and further need for practice and game time. I imagine a few choice words and a dissapointed expression on his face is all that's needed to motivate the iconic "Michigan Men" we all claim to be the x-factor that's the magic ingredient that will further the Michigan football legacy.
Because Hoke doesn't call people out in the media or yell at guys on the sidelines, fans think that's exactly what he's like all the time in practice and in the locker room. It's idiotic.
I've read in multiple places things such as "Blocking isn't rocket science! The coaches need to get these guys fired up and just hit people!" Yup, that's the problem. "I've seen more emotion from DIII teams!" Yes, getting emotional is going to help the OL be more technically and fundamentally sound and not make mistakes. "DG doesn't even look like he cares!" That may be the opposite of true." The defense has their head up their ass and can't even think!" They may be over thinking things, which is why Mattison said they need to go back to fundamentals. "Where's the intensity!" It's not intensity that's missing, it's doing fundamentals correctly. It's knowing what your assignment is and doing it. It's why the coaches are trying to simplify things so they can look more aggressive and more natural.
All these people that think football is about yelling at a reporter when your team is playing back, or cussing players out on the sideline during the game when they are obviously tight and pressing is the right answer, well, I hope those people aren't coaches, or managers, or in any position of leadership because they are severley lacking in that category.
But I promise you, these coaches are very intense in practice. They are pushing these players, not coddling them like people in these posts want to act like. They have high expectations for themselves and the players, but doing nothing but yelling, yelling at them on the sideline, isn't going to teach them to be better. It's a balance, and I promise you they are playing that balance and are yelling at times and are always intense. Just because you don't see it doesn't mean it's not true.
Lastly, these people think because "this is Michigan" we should be able to just physically dominate and push people willy nilly anywhere we want, get your head out of your ass. All these players, regardless of how good they are, are going the strength programs and doing just as much work in that regard as the Michigan guys. It's about technique and doing things correctly that make a team like Michigan better, and the fact that if guys aren't better they should have ones that are behind them. The fact that they don't right now is because of a lack of depth and youth. But these aren't the days where you can simply just run over people because you're Michigan and they aren't.
..and maybe it's because I went to a D3 school:
"I've seen more emotion from DIII teams!"
I'm not sure how to break the news to whoever originally posted this gem but the difference between D1 and D3 football players is size and skill and athleticism, not the ability and/or willingness to care about the results of football games. Just because the vast majority of them aren't good enough to dream about professional football careers doesn't mean they don't play hard.
+1 to you from a fellow D III-er.
Forgive me if I'm wrong but didn't UCONN almost beat Michigan last night? If not then who did UCONN play?
They played against 22 very convincing imposters.
And you get to define what is Michigan and what is not Michigan? Okay...
I'm not defining it, they are. The talk is all about championships. There not playing like it PERIOD
Huh?! They have not lost a single game. 4-0. What else do you want from them? Alabama was struggling with Colorado State at home yesterday.
And won 31 6
Wow that was a atruggle
Well, why don't you go cheer for Alabama then? I'm sure they could use your input on what is and what is not Alabama.
No I don't want too
You have the worst grammar I've ever seen on MGoBlog. The worst.
CUT THE SCENE.
Ok, let's roll this from the top again, and this time let's capitalize properly and stop being so truculent.
Agree 100%. Nothing is more grating than someone ragging on a bunch of college kids for not making them happy and distracting them enough from their lives for a few hours.
Each and every one of those players/kids on the football team has given more to Michigan and you and I have. Stop pretending they aren't good enough (for you).
I don't agree with you much, but you're absolutely right. You can't say Frank Clark isn't "Michigan" because we didn't win by as much as you wanted us to.
Actually, I can think of something more grating: toolbags who spend hours on online message boards degrading others.
Neg you because people are entitled to their opinion and I happen to agree with him/her.
Well you know what they say about opinions...
at Clark's remark myself. The notion that "we're Michigan" and therefore we should win just doesn't follow and should be jettisoned. In fact, it sets you up for a fall, for everyone else to hate you as puffed up/entitled. Earn it, every year. Live up to that tradition. Don't claim it as your birthright.
This program has a large target on its back, and some of that is self-earned. Hoke and co. have the right idea saying that we're getting back to tough football, but this team--despite that--walked right into the hype this year. One can only hope that the twice-repeated dose of humble pie will be put to productive use.
The last two games, if nothing else, were proof that the Hoke era is a work in progress, that simply anointing him the perfect coach for M doesn't guarantee his success. I think there's a real possibility that all three of our coaches are a bit behind the curve; the spread is a great equalizer among college programs. and neighter Hoke nor Borges are proponents. Hoke's plausible assumption is that some of M's advantages can be maximized to make us successful with manball, a la the U of AL; maybe.
in both of these games we could have beaten the opponent handily by playing spread football and letting Devin dance wild; his confidence would look a bit different right now. (A short passing game, anyone?) I can see arguments going both ways. . . and as even Spielman could see last night, the run game eventually got going. Arguably, they HAD to game-plan the way they did. Maybe they assemble the perfect mix of plays from spread and i-form in the big games upcoming. But it resulted in the scores we've seen so far.
There's STILL a pretty good chance we maul Minny, and roll toward the rest of the schedule with some momentum. We're not going to win (m)any games by big margins.
Most encouraging things about last night: the D is coming together. And the line sprung Fitz as the game wore on. Granted, that was UConn.
If a good coach is a good coach, why use a term like "dinosaur"?
Also, why use anything bad to describe a coach who averaged 9 wins, ran a clean program, represented the program with class, and won the only National Championship that any of us can remember?
after losing badly to USC in the second half of the Rose Bowl, loosing to App State and losing badly to Oregon ... not to mention his late years record against OSU.
Lloyd was a great coach. Bobby Bowden, and Joe Paterno all reached the dinosaur point as well. Mack Brown is there now. Happens. It was time for him to retire and let someone with more energy to creatively evolve the team.
Getting bent over by Tressell like he was paid to do so, Syracuse, Oregon the first time and the second time, oh and App fucking State.
willingness to adapt, at least in the short run. You undermine your point about executing in any system, though, when you come back and denigrate the spread. Mostly I just see the jury as being (still) very much out, where lots of people seem ready to throw this or that coach under the bus this morning.
I think you have a good point about the spread being a great equalizer, but I don't think you can say we are behind any curve. We have run the spread, to some degree, in every game this staff has coached. The last two years, we ran an exclusively spread offense. We set some records in 2011.
That being said, my greatest complaint about your post is the idea that Gardner would have been better in a spread. Is see nothing to support that. I also think the idea of short easy passes is great, but he looked like shit throwing hitches, slants, hitting sitting receivers in zones, etc. His long game was bad, his short game might have been worse. Gallon was open and Gardner threw it high, at which point Gallon tipped it up and it was picked. He missed a dig to Chesson short. He was off on at least two open slants to Gallon. We tried a shirt game, and he was bad. Wanna go shorter, with only bubbles, swings, screens, laterals? I don't think any offense could have helped his throwing yesterday.
too, but how we came out/began the game impacted this.
Really think Clark just meant that at Michigan, it is expected that the football team play better football than they are. I think he was just owning that they were not playing at a high enough level. For what it is worth, Michigan finds itself in the rather nice position of being undefeated and still being able to sneak up on people. Let people think we suck. And then watch the look on their face when we kick their ass. This team will be fine. Those were two stupid games against garbage competition. Michigan sleep walked and won both of them. There were no significant injuries, we won both games and now we get a bye week before the real season begins.
you can take it a few different ways. I think you're hearing "We're Michigan, and therefore we should win."
I am interpreting his comments a bit less arrogantly, as "We're Michigan, and the players, coaches, and program have a higher standard than our current performance." There are other football programs that hope to have more winning seasons than not, and field a decent team most years. I'm sure that that's even true of Michigan in some NCAA sports at the moment. But football is not one of them.
I don't think is comment was about guarantees, or entitlement. It was about expectations.
enoug but i think that the whole assumption tends to be worn out, and very annoying to outsiders,
Speaking of not having the basics down: *we're (x2) *you're (x2) (kudos for the last "your" being correct. 1/3 isn't so bad...)
I'm not one to make to wast much time on here with corrections, but if you're going to make assertions about what is and is not Michigan, doing so with those mistakes is more than a bit ironic.
"Unrelated, but reading on ESPN that frank Clark said after the game that "were michigan, were going to stop playing down to our competition and get this fixed" while that's the right attitude, your not Michigan, your not playing like it at all, stop worrying about championships and start worrying about your play and blocking. We don't even have the basics down and talk about playing for titles."
What a wast of time.
Don't forget his "I don't want too" in another post. I was going to criticize him for the same spelling errors so I am glad I kept reading before posting anything.
Two points for you. You clearly identified that it is not ironic to criticize the football team while making grammatical errors.
Here's what is ironic: Making assertions about what is or is not "Michigan" while doing so with verbage that indicates a lack of comprehension of junior high English.
It is fair to to say that if one wants to assert that "your not Michigan" then perhaps you're not Michigan.
...Also Ironic: me typing my intial reply quickly and missing the "e" on waste
latson3146, grand arbiter of what is and is not "Michigan"
So your Michigan, representing one of the finer institutions of higher education in the nation?
Northwestern beats Maine by 14 and jumps us. Ahh well, not like we've looked spectacular.
We will be ranked about 60....pollsters are pissed Hoke is not wearing a headset.
During one cut away to Hoke during the game last night, he was wearing a headset. So, we got screwed. We should have moved up in the top ten since coach was representing last night.
We're too high, in my opinion. We barely look like a top-50 team, much less a top-20 one.
This team, in particular Gardner and the interior offensive line, has two weeks to get its shit together. Minnesota is a big step above the teams we've been playing the past two weeks, and if we play even remotely against them like we did against Akron and UConn, we can kiss the Little Brown Jug good-bye. Hell, if we play anyone left on our schedule like we did the past two weeks, we are staring at a 4-8 season, an ass-kicking the likes of which we've never seen against OSU (don't think for one second that Meyer wouldn't love to hang 90 points on us if he could), and maybe another coaching search.
Take a deep breath man. Wait until we actually lose a game before proclaiming we suck.
go take some, jesus. what a bunch a little bitches you guys are lately. 4-0 and I don't give a fuck how we got there. I don't care if we have to come back to win every game even playing gvsu. a win is a win.
for sure, pissing themselves midway through the first quarter when things don't go well. But how we got here would for most critical observers offer some clues about where we're going, no? Santayana and stuff.
everything will be fine one way or another.
I agree that we are overrated this week, and we are not playing like a ranked team.
It's also clear that we don't have the horses to beat a team like Ohio State at this point in the season; frankly, the team will have to improve to beat Minnesota.
But Brandon is heavily invested in Hoke, and would not fire him even if the season went badly. And frankly, Hoke has a good staff.
It's easy to see that our quarterback has a confidence problem, and that the offensive line has a lot of growing to do. Whether the problems can be fixed remains to be seen. But I don't see how a QB's temporary head case and the O-line's inexperience is a coaching issue.
... that just played those last two games when we come up against Ohio. There will be 9 more weeks of practice and 7 more games played. These are the factors that a young team has to overcome to grow over the course of a season... there's only so much progress that can be made during Spring ball and summer conditioning. If you want to keep your blood pressure down just see team 134 for what it is... a work in progress, not a finished product ready to be rolled out to wreak havoc in the FBS.
I never went into this season expecting a complete product and sheer, utter domination. Obviously the team was going to be a work in progress one way or another.
I'm not saying that a 4-8 season is going to happen and that Hoke is going to get fired. Frankly, I think overall he has a good staff, and Mattison's résumé speaks for itself. I'm just saying that, if the team keeps playing like its playing now, I'd have a hard time seeing us beat anyone, from Indiana on up to OSU. Which I don't think is an unreasonable statement. Of course, if this team plays up to its abilities, there's no team on its schedule that it can't beat. We've all seen what the team is capable of, so I don't want to give the impression that I think this team is hopeless. Far from.
It's a great time to have a bye week to get some things fixed and spend some more time in the film room, and I think the bye will do this team a lot of good, but it should be a little disconcerting that we've struggled mightily against two of the worst FBS teams in the country. Whether anyone on this board wants to admit that or not.
I'm fine with 18. I agree with rob f that even that may be too high. Hopefully with the bye our guys can get some good practice in and gear up for big ten play.
It'll be nice to watch some football and not be so emotionally invested in the outcome for a weekend.
Disagree! We are one of the few undefeated teams with a win vs a ranked team.
This is still the same team that beat ND by double digits. who is ND, don't know, they are one of 5tes with a loss to still be in the top 25. that has to count for something. we definitely haven't been impressive, but you have to understand in the last two games we have played teams where playing us is their super bowl. They came in prepared and we didn't, but we were able to win, period. Get to 7-0, no one will remember these two games...
on phone can't figure out how to edit my post. meant to say ND is 1 of 6 teams in the top 25 with a loss.
Eh, still an unblemished record. A few games to watch in our bye week that could help us out. My guess is we're sitting right around 15-16 after next a weeks games. A win by ND against Oklahoma could prove to be a nice little boost.
It's still early, this stuff will sort itself out.
Exactly, people put way to much stock into the weekly rankings. It will all even out as more data comes in. Who cares if we are ranked 18 but playing like we should be ranked 70th? All that matters is that we are 4-0 right now and the rankings will shake out later in the year
...if you think that's obviously too high or obviously too low.
They've returned the heart of an 11-2 Sugar Bowl winning team and they've beaten the crap out of everyone they've played--not great opposition, obviously, but about UConn level on average. As far as I can tell they might be one of the best two or three teams in the country or they might be 25-ish. And with their schedule we might never find out which it is. They've got a good chance of running the table either way.
It's definitely time to stop worrying about ranking and style points. Just keep plodding along and improve in all aspects and the team will be fine.
We still own the Big Ten's only win over a ranked team. I've no idea if that means much.
Michigan is No. 17 in the coaches poll.
I'm still giving Wisconsin a win against Arizona State...that was terrible officiating.
Because college kickers never miss field goals...
intermediate rankings dont matter, but I think i would prefer us to be lower right now and to earn it and rise up later
it's difficult to guage whether anyone should take you seriously or not. Until Michigan plays a mistake-free game, you won't be able to see how good it might be. And that has never happened with this team with Gardner at quarterback.
Like I said, until it plays mistake-free, every game on the schedule will be a challenge. And they don't deserve to be taken as a serious contender until they show they can correct their play and act like one.
I've actually never seen the poll change this little from one week to another. Take a look at the last week column. Almost a perfect match.
Played unranked teams.
Here's how the votes are distributed:
14th - 5 votes
15th - 2 votes
16th - 9 votes
17th - 11 votes
18th - 4 votes
19th - 8 votes
20th - 6 votes
21st - 6 votes
22nd - 4 votes
25th - 1 vote
Unranked - 4 votes
The mean ranking was 18.11, so very close to the actual. It represents a 3.48 position drop from last week's average vote.
I know we were mocking Sharp for having us unranked, but he may be right.
is actually right at the moment. We shouldn't be ranked. If we actually did the "Don't release polls till week 5 or 6", I'm not sure we'd be in there. However, we are still 4-0 which I suppose counts for something
While UConn is bad-mouthed after losing to FCS Towson and then to Maryland, maybe they aren't as bad as advertised. Towson is now 4-0, the same as Maryland, who is now ranked No. 28 in the polls. I'm wondering: Did UConn just have a bad game against Towson, maybe overlooking them, to lose that game, and their loss to Maryland is not a bad loss? When Michigan gives the opponent 4 critical turnovers in a game including a gimme touchdown to a fire them up on their home field, it is sometimes difficult to right the ship in mid-course of a game. Fortunately they did enough to win the game.
Oh my god are reaching. Michigan absolutely stunk for the 2nd wk in a row.
at this point in time. I don't think we are playing like a top 25 team. Perhaps we have over-rated this team.
The loss to Akron may have been a let down from the ND game, but what is the excuse for last night. We have scored a total of 52 points in our last 2 games. Yesterday, at least 18 teams scored over 50 points and 3 of them scored 70 or more and it came against better teams than what we played.
This team has a lot of issues to address.
Better opposition?? You couldn't possibly be more wrong. Florida A&M, Savannah St., Beth Cookman, FIU, and Idaho St. are all way worse than UCONN. Its not even close.
I will not allow you to put my school (B-CU) in the same mention of the other schools, especially when we will most likely beat 3 of those schools.
Massey Power ratings (NCAA rank in parens) going into the weekend:
- Bethune-Cookman 37.42 (127)
- Connecticut 36.91 (133)
- Florida International 27.87 (194)
- Florida A&M 15.23 (295)
- Idaho State 12.51 (325)
- Savannah State 4.95 (401)
Akron's 2 points worse than UConn, if anyone's wondering (of course that's with the benefit of the performance against Michigan, which Connecticut hasn't been credited with yet).
While I'd argue about an actual loss to Akron. I'm with you man, I'm with you.
UCLA seems to low to me. I think they should be in front of the one loss SEC contingent and OK St. as well.
That's actually better than I expected.
Everyone, brace yourselves for a 7-5 season!
They think because we have top 10 recruiting classes and looked good against ND that we should blow every team out we play.
Michigan has and has had a major issue with our lines for over 5 years now. We are still trying to develop talent and depth and the only way Miller, Kalis and Glas get better is with experience.
Devin's issues can be corrected.
I'll take 4-0 over and over. Who cares about style points or what Buckeye fans say.
The nuts almost losing to Akron one year or Navy another did not hurt them at the end of those respective seasons.
Who cares about the rankings? They are only relevant if you are in the hunt for the National Championship. We will be lucky to be in the hunt for the Legends Championship.
Right now I would not have this team in the top 25
I can live with that.
Nothing really. They both have holes and stink.
At this rate we'll be 12-0 and ranked 26th at the end of the season.
And we'll deserve it.
At the moment, we have the best record in college football. At this time last year, we were 2-2. I understand that we look absolutely ridiculous, but as long as we keeping, does it really matter? Coming back from 14 down in the 3rd quarter on the road at night is impressive no matter who you play. Defense looks strong, offense has a lot of raw talent. At the very least, I'm really excited for this team next year.
I'm still on the "fire Borges" bandwagon. I can't stand that dude's play-calling. That fucking ego either.
derp a herp er derp
We came back from being down 14 late in the 3rd quarter on the road against a team that was playing pretty well against us and had a lot of momentum. I can't remember the last time we did that, but I think that people are discounting how tough that is to do.
Meanwhile, we had a lot of inexperienced guys (in many cases playing in their first road game) who made critical mistakes, like Da'Mario Jones touching the punt by accident for the TO, Bolden missed his coverage on the TE on the first TD (according to chris speilman), Jourdan Lewis (?) unsportsmanlike conduct that wiped out the huge Dileo punt return and Devin Gardner with the butt-fumble and the failed 4th down conversion fumble. You'd like better, but at least now they know they can overcome adversity.
And on a side note, I don't think this team is bad at all. We have the potential to be very special. We're just playing bad. In part Devin's confidence, the middle of the O-line, and Borges, the latter of which is our real problem.
Also, I was surprised and angered that Braden and/or Bryant were substituted in at LG. I still think Bryant gives us a better chance at winning simply because he's much better in the run than Glasgow. Be good when we finally get Kugler in at C as well though he's unproven. Borges has an ego the size of Montana and it's making me angry as fuck.
At the very least, I think Baylor should be ahead of us.
M should be grateful to be ranked in the Top 20, especially since ND is clearly no great shakes. Fortunately, being in the B10 will allow us to maintain an inflated record, at least until November.
I stare at that list and honestly wonder how we could beat any of those teams, including Notre Dame.
that this is a VERY average team that is just a few plays from being 2-2 with losses to a couple of very bad teams.
Stop making excuses for Hoke. He has not had this team prepared for what EVERYONE here thought would be a couple of big time blowouts. When we looked at this schedule in the pre-season we ALL had us winning these games by 30-40-even 50 points.
This team is not good at any one thing. Not defense....not offense...not line play...not running backs...not receiving...not kicking (punting)...not play calling.
Either we have vastly over-rated players or vastly over-rated coaches. I tend to think its coaching. I see very little improvment in any area.
Chill out a bit. Talk about overreacting.
I'll be honest; I've wondered about the quality of coaching since the Notre Dame game.
Borges needs to get Gardner off his "third play" high. With two defenders in your face, you can't always get the third play. Deal with it, and take the sack.
When Denard was here, Borges knew he needed fundamentals work. But they seem to have taken the fundamentals for granted with this offense.
Actually, sometimes it looks more like sheer athleticism is the only thing that bails us out. When Gardner runs in for a touchdown after making an adjustment that sparked Hoke to try and call time out, it looks more like Gardner is a smart athlete and Hoke--shrugging aside--is not making the right assessments. Possibly no touchdown if Hoke succeeded in getting his call.
The only big coaching name worth his salts right now is Mattison. Mattison's players took a week of practice and bounced back. Mattison identified what Borges seems unable to have identified: The problem is that we're trying to perform on a higher level when we don't have the fundamentals down. We can't say the same for the offense that we can say for the defense.
If Borges and Hoke look back and work on fundamentals like Mattison did, then we'll be in much better places in the coming weeks. But if they don't, then we're gonna be in trouble again.
Hoke wasn't trying to call a TO for the adjustment; he said afterwards the adjustment was correct but he thought they were going to run out of time.
"This team is not good at any one thing. Not defense....not offense...not line play...not running backs...not receiving...not kicking (punting)...not play calling."
Just because I am a nosy bugger, from a statistical standpoint, please define "good" for each of these, if you would be so kind. I am intrigued by this statement.
but if you honestly think we are "good" at any of those things....i think its YOU that needs to do some explaining.
The simple fact is....if you are impressed by any of those areas i mentioned....carry on.
You are in an extreme minority and the very definition of a slappie.
Whoa negative nellies. This is a young team that should be expected to keep developing. I will choose to be happy that these last two games will keep the team and staff real and focused.
mean nothing,squat,ditto! Michigan found a way to win last night. Michigan is finding ways to close out teams this year,last year we lost those games. The bye-week came at the right time for us. MICHIGAN will get this right.
anyone that points out the incredibly obvious is a negative nellie.
Stop living in la-la land. Wed are not good despite being 4-0. Thats the cold hard truth.
I love drinking the kool-aid of being fabulous just because its MICHIGAN.
If it was MSU or Ohio that did this exact same thing with the same 2 teams the slappies on here would be crowing about how pitiful and lousy they were. But...because its Michigan we are supposed to make any and every excuse we can about being young and whatever, blah blah blah...
All we heard last week from the players and coaches and the posters on here was how we were going to correct the "hang-over" effect coming off the ND game that we suffered against Akron.
Now all we are hearing is we just need this bye-week to correct it all. Well guess what....after the week off we start to play the REALLY big boys. If we play like we have the last 2 weeks....its not going to be pretty.
I love my Wolverines as much as anyone alive. Just dont try to get me to live in your world of denial.
It is what it is....
Not quite sure what world you are living in based on those past 2 posts.
You should probably change your username.
Im ok with where we are at...I know that last 2 weeks have been difficult to watch but the bottom line is they are 4-0..Including a win over Notre Dame....UCONN played VERY well last night and we were pretty bad However we stormed back and WON...two weeks in a row the defense won the game for us...Ill take that.....Now we can rest. prepare for B10..work out the kinks and get healthy .... Have you people seen whats going on? its called Parity...FCS teams are beating FBS teams way more frequently and are very competitive in many others...UCONN is only 2yrs removed from a BCS appearnce..its not like this was App St....a win is a win is a won and were 4-0...
Which game were you watching? UCONN got a whole 47 yards rushing and just 206 overall. We gifted them 14 of the 21 points they scored.
Yes, I will take the 4-0 over 2-2 any day, so don't bother asking. But there are at least 3 other teams in the B1G playing MUCH better than we are, and perhaps another 2-3 playing at least as well as are.
We could be in for another long, long season if Hoke & Co. don't come up with some answers.
They did not play well on offense, but their D is good. They played very good defense on a down to down basis, and despite turning it over 4 times we scored 24 points.
And poor line play makes any team look great on defense. Im glad we're 4-0. That said, I'll mirror hoke here... "We have some major problems". No way should a uconn and Akron hang around like they did. One week sure anything can happen. Two in a row? We have some serious issues. I love this team but lets all be adults and face reality. Also, mirror hoke, time to hold people "accountable".
... Means any team will stick around. 1 TO a game from now on gets us a 9-3 season IMHO.
No to's against Ohio, state and Northwestern makes this a tight 10-2 / 11-1 bcs bowl year
I've said this is another thread, but we handed UConn two TDs on fluke TOs. The Gardner INT thing seems to be a trend, but that fumble for a touchdown was just a weird play, as was the muffed punt. Yes, both of those plays involved "mistakes" by our team, but if that punt bonces a different way or a Michigan play falls on DG's fumble, we win that game by double digits on the road. If both don't happen it's a blow out.
Both teams had a muffed punt, it just so happened that UConn recovered both (which is just a luck/chance thing). If that goes 50/50 or if we recover both, the result of the game is completely different. Point is, when the ball doesn't bounce your way on the road and you still win, take it.
Couldn't agree more. Two very flukey plays that went UConn's way are the only thing that stopped us from winning 31-7 or something similar, and that's with Gardner's passing game not so hot last night.
top 6 Big Ten team right now.
Blueinlansing.....the slappies are out in force.
According to them we did not see what we saw. The game was played thru their eyes only.
If you dont agree with them then you should change your user name. Thats what they say when dissenting opinions are offered.
the potential this team has despite the last two weeks. Clean up the mistakes and this a top 20 team and a very young one at that.
But right now, Michigan is not playing like a top 20 team and if they continued playing like this they would probably lose 6 Big Ten games. That will not happen.
If you were sometimestrueblue.
i agree with you Blue...
I still believe in these players but my faith in the coaches is slipping fast.
All i know is that we have looked poor the last 2 weeks after a great win over ND. Too me thats on the coaches.
I hope we turn it around in the conference but i have doubts. Ohio and Nebraska and even State have much better teams than were Akron and UConn and we barely got out alive from both.
Deven has to get his mojo back and soon. The OL has to mature and soon. The defense needs pressure and soon.
I'm glad the team is 4-0, but I don't see why we don't put Bryant and Green in on short yardage situations. I think Glasgow at center and Bryant at guard may be a better option. Miller is just getting knocked back on to many plays. I know the team is young, but we're through the first 1/3 of the season and the O-line seems to be regressing.
For most of the last twenty years, being "Michigan" means averaging 3.5 losses a year. This really isn't anything too surprising to me. I am just going to enjoy the fact that Michigan is still undefeated and hope that they play "up" to better competition as the year goes on.
Would you rather have them playing "great football" at 3-1 or 2-2 due to a tougher schedule or 4-0 and "unacceptable?"
Ding Ding Ding! People bitch no matter what.
"For most of the last twenty years, being "Michigan" means averaging 3.5 losses a year."
As opposed to Alabama's 3.9? LSU's 3.7? Oregon's 3.6? Oklahoma's 3.6? USC's 3.5?
If we could really average 3.5--and we've done a bit better than that if the RR years are removed, which wouldn't be fair because I haven't removed any seasons from the other schools--we'd be a truly elite program. It's a lofty goal, if maintained over multiple decades.
you are bitching about....people bitching??
with Tater. I will take the 4-0. But that does not mean its a great 4-0.
We all make fun of Ohio's schedule (and rightly so) but the fact is that they are just destroying the teams they are supposed to destroy.
We are not in their class as far as teams go right now.
Long time reader and just started posting. Happy to be 4-0 but think it is crazy not to put that statement in any context - so is Towson. And like Towson, we should not be ranked right now. The team has shown promise and I think they can get their groove back but I am also worried they could enter a tailspin in B1G play if the ship isn't righted. One more thing - we can not make fun of Rutgers and Maryland football right now. I would be terrified to play either.
Towson was number 3 last week and I doubt they'll have dropped when this week's come out.
Sorry, I wrote that poorly. Towson is a solid FCS program (I think they slipped to 4) but still nowhere near as good as the teams that should be in the D1 top 25 right now, and at the moment, neither is Michigan.
to M-Wolverine you can only make comments based on what he(or she) determines is politically correct based on your user name.
Damn you are shallow.
Particularly when you refuse to back any of it up. Other than parts of ND, our defense has been good. Not great, but good. O-line and RBs need some work, but we knew that going into the season. Is kicking kicking, or just punting? Because our kicking has been mostly better than good. Record setting kicker, most kickoffs into the endzone. The punting has been shakey, but our potential All-American punter is sitting this one out, so not shocking. And if anything I've had more problems with the defensive playcalling than the offensive. And we've been ok there.
I just think it's funny that you are pretty much the opposite of your username. But I don't think you're trying to be ironic. No one is asking for everyone to agree. Just asking to not be stupid about it.
M-Wolverine, anything you say.
Cause obviously if someone does not agree with YOUR assessment of the team they must be stupid, right?
And screw you with the "user-name" crap. How does a user-name have anything to do with what i am allowed to say??
Why does it bother you that not everyone will agree with you? Not everyone will agree with me either, but i dont tell them they cannot do that based on some pathetic "user-name" criteria.
Get over yourself.
With maxwell they should be top ten.
...when the Big 10 schedule starts. This could be a brutal year unless we're one of those teams that plays to the level of the competition.
during the bye week.
We really should be at best 3-1 or even 2-2. We were outplayed by Akron and should have lost but we did outplay UConn.