If this is true, Bucknuts will implode.
to play football, not to play trumpet
If this is true, Bucknuts will implode.
For those of you keeping score at home, that gives Urban as many decommits in a week (Neal, Anzalone) as Hoke has had in a year and a half (Standifer, Pharaoh Brown)
You forgot Caleb Stacy
as it stands right now, ohio has NO linebackers committed and all of their offers are earmarked elsewhere. looks like we will be recruiting Gedeon to the end.
Kimbrough will get an offer after Nike camp tomorrow. And he'll accept it. Just call me the PARTY ROOM.
Fickell and Vrabel were in Fort Wayne this weekend working out Jalen Smith and a couple other Luers players. Smith is a ND lean so I expect that Ohio will really turn up the heat and try to get him since his brother plays there. Interesting to see if they can flip him. While it is a catholic school the coaching staff is very pro Ohio.
Wouldn't "working out" a potential recruit be a NCAA violation?
Standifer wasn't really a decommit, he apparently didn't have the required Language credits to qualify, this was also the reason ND stopped recruiting him as well.
And also, didn't Hoke pull Pharoh's offer because of the Oregon subterfuge?
Hoke just told him that he was not considered a commit if he chose to visit other schools and that his position would not be held.
ND supposedly offered.
He's had a ND offer for a long time. Some of the tweets about his decommitment are from ND fans who are including "#Notre Dame offer" to indicate that he is a recruit who holds a ND offer, not that he received a ND today. Nothing to do with his decommitement, it would seem.
Edit: ND offered Anzalone on 2/17/12.
There is confirmation from Bill Kurelic.
It may be a coincidence but I wonder if this had anything to do with the twitter thing that was revealed. Obviously OSU isn't really at fault there, but you never know.
A registered sex offender was tweeting at tons of OSU players and recruits with inspirational quotes and asking for them to follow them.
EDIT LATE; Unfortunate story. It's been mentioned in a couple posts on the site. I think Brian and Ace have mentioned it, worth checking out.
And creepy recruiting headline
Ohio is now in a world of hurt at LB.
Smith's scholly offer now comes with adoption papers to Urban Myer's family. It really is Smith or bust now...
Smith is going to end up at ND. Most OSU fans are coming to that realization at this point. I wouldn't be surprised to see Urbie try to make a run at Gedeon. We will have to recruit him all the way to signing day (as we should all of our current commits).
He's had an offer from OSU all along and they didn't see to get much interest from him. As I recall, he took a trip Stanford before committing and is truly focused on academics.
what a shame. I would say that I feel bad, but that would be a lie. Dantonio better be on high alert... his LB recruits are now in play.
This is so sad...
Yeah, confirmed by multiple sources at this point. There's no way around it: the timing is bizarre.
now given Levenberry to FSU?
I doubt it. We're pretty set on LBs for this class, and with the exception of a blue chip player showing interest, I think we're done recruiting that position.
You are probably right, but in my very amatuer opinion, Anzalone looked better on film than Levenberry.
muahhahhahahahahaha ( that is the best evil laugh I could come up with)
Especially the fact that he is no longer even considering Ohio. Not really sure what to make of it especially coupled with the other decommit earlier this week. Seemed like Ohio really wanted him. Could Ohio have less room than they originally planned or other needs to fill? Or did Ohio do something shady that made him reconsider? Because it is really strange to all of sudden completely eliminate a school you just committed to with almost a year left to decide.
So does this mean Urban no longer wanted him?
or Anzalone gave Urban a non-commitable commitment
Another tweet, this one, if true, says Anzalone has completely ruled out OSU.
Anzalone RT @AthletesInSpace Sean Fitz of PSU's 247 sports confirmed his decommitment and said he's no longer considering OSU.
I found this one from 11 Warriors so I don't have the actual tweet, but if true, not good for OSU.
Some on 11 Warriors seem to think this has to do with an ND offer, but I'm fairly sure he's had an ND offer for a while. More seem to think it has to do with the Waugh story.
Some are also worried Bosa will be the next one to decommitt. If this happens, this would be great as Michigan fans, but more importantly hopefully the kids are okay, and have some peace to deal with whatever may be happening.
Also, hopefully they don't go to ND after this, but if they do, better ND than OSU. I still trust ND to implode with Kelly at the head regardles of who they recruit.
It makes sense that a PA kid would be sensitive to the Waugh story.
I see what you did there.
"Bosa will be next most likely. We are in trouble here."
Let the panic commence..
Good Lord. The speculation there is that Anzalone decommitted partly because he was being chatted up and took pictures with a pedophile Buckeye fan and was creeped out. You can't make this stuff up.
That doesn't make any sense as a reason to de-commit from a school.... It's not like the guy was an employee, or a booster, or even associated with the program on any official level at all... That could happen at literally any school.
I don't think that's part of the reasoning considering he's still considering Penn State.
Unless it was that Bengals cheerleader chick.
i know penn st. has new leadership, but if that's the case, i wouldn't want to be around PSU either.
To be clear, that is just a comment from some poster.
To be clear about something else, damn, I hope that happens.
The schadenfreude is pretty thick over there. In one thread you have posters...
-Declaring Bosa to be gone.
-Declaring they're done following recruiting.
-Demanding that Urban not let him back in once he tries to recommitt.
-Making a bizarre historical analogy of the extremes that Urban will go to shore up this class to what Harry Truman would do to end a war... (Hopefully this is accurate because, um, Korea?)
-The same guy declaring OSU's "lowest common denominator" fans "the worst in the country," (the scales fall from your eyes)
-Declaring this to be the result of other Big Ten programs being so scared of Urban.
Pretty please? I am a junkie, a schade junkie, and i need some bad real bad. i just need l litte schade and i'll be done with the stuff i swear.
The elevenwarriors.com link above, with the Homer Simpson pic.
You have to go to the post on the front page, however, to see the poster calling Anzalone "mentally weak" for being scared away from OSU by its creepy fanbase.
EDIT: Also this...
I miss humble quiet hard working kids who want to play for Ohio State because they want to be a Buckeye. Social media is defiling the values of these kids. If you need strangers to tell you how great you are, go elsewhere.
...but if you need creepy strangers to scare you and your loved ones then come to Ohio State
I like Anzalone's game a lot, and I was pretty disappointed when he committed to Ohio. It's unfortunate that the circumstances around it are...disturbing. I wish the kid the best.
Time to get your popcorn back out.
Anyone else think McCray might get that Ohio offer in the future? It seems that Smith is the only LB on their board at this point.
As I mentioned above they were at his HS working him and some of his teammates out this week. Fickell and Vrabel were there. Don't know if that is normal to send 2 coaches or not. Smith is an ND lean and I think they know it. A couple of his teammates have show well at 7-7s and camps. So I wouldn't be suprised to see Ohio offer one or two of them to try to intice him to commit. HIs brother is already there. It will be interesting to see if they offer Tyvel Jemison DB, Mike Rodgers WR, Kendrick Mullen DB (brother plays at IU), Andrew Spencer DB (Brother is A Spencer LB for the Cowboys).
Weird, weird timing, but I cant imagine a kid would change his opinion of a program he committed too based on one creepy ass fan....
I hate to say it, but I'm sure we have some creepy ass fans that talk to players, too....
seems to have more than their "fair" share. Here are just a few examples:
Had to do a screen grab for this one. Bonus is you can guess who he is (hint: think bathrooms...]
Edited to respect some privacy with the current creep.
And this might be the creepiest of all.
Notice a trend?
[Apologies to all who might have lost some retina tissue there.]
What's so creepy about that chick with the big rack? Did I miss something?
Yeah you did miss something, she is an acquitted child murderer.
That's Casey Anthony, she was accused of murdering her kid.
Ahhh. Duly noted. Thanks and upvotes to both of you.
This may be the first time ever that Ohio fans wished their compliance department did more.
+1,000,000 if I could.
Why is this so disturbing? And why would it have any connection to the Waugh thing? Inasmuch as love to sling any dirt about OSU, I can't see how this story would impact an incoming recruit. A sex offender contacted players via Facebook. The players didn't know that, and couldn't be expected to. Then the school outed the guy. It's a gross story. But it's really got nothing to do with anything.
Anzalone is the recruit pointing at Waugh in the picture on the front page. I don't think you can entirely rule out that there's a connection between the two stories at this point. I'd be creeped out, too.
Hey Ace, can you speculate why OSU fans are preparing to lose Bosa too?
It's really only one fan...and most likely it is because Bosa was another person in the same photo with the creeper that is circling around.
Yeah, I wouldn't read too much (or anything, really) into what one commenter posts in the wake of an unexpected decommitment.
Who knows tho. The photo could be cursed. The 3 players in the photo allegedly committed to OSU during the spring game (Anzalone, Bosa, Hueurman). Since then, Hueurman committed to ND and Anzalone is back on the market.
The ohio fans are worried...
1. All of these guys were hanging out together, and maybe this Waugh guy bought them a meal or something, constituting a recruiting violation that is scaring the recruits off (on top of the fact that the guy buying them the illegal meal was a pedophile), or even prompting the coaching staff telling them to decommit to avoid the inevitable attention of possible violations.
2. This is one of several negative things to happen to ohio recruiting in the last week or so... (Neal decommit, Heuerman to ND, Jaylon Smith leaning ND), and there's wild speculation on the boards that something big is happening behind the scenes, like more violations have been revealed or more sanctions will be announced. You know, because Meyer is the greatest recruiter in history, so there must be some totally off the wall explanation as to why this is happening.
(note: I'm not saying I think any of those things... just rehashing the panic! explosion on the ohio boards... seems pretty irrational)
You just made my day brighter after being bummed about MCA. I think in light of today's news this video would be appropriate:
In my opinion, I would assume that Anzalone was freaked out that a registered sex offender was tweeting at him and took a picture with him.
I can't blame him, Waugh's behavior is totally creepy and bizarre. Would you feel comfortable going somewhere that a registered sex offender is hanging around with players?
You're thinking about this rationally instead of emotionally, and if I were in Anzalone's shoes (or his parents' shoes), my reaction would be more emotional than rational at this point. If you don't feel safe at a school, there's no reason to choose that school when you have so many nice options.
And don't forget, multiple current Ohio players have defended this Waugh guy in the past... add that to Anzalone being from PA., and I don't think the timing is a coincidence. Knee jerk reaction, maybe.
One of the posters compared Meyer to Harry Truman, those bucknuts are crazy.
Based upon the comments, they think it's either related to the Waugh guy or Notre Dame is up to something "fishy."
I'm not sure about the Bosa thing. It's the same commenter posting it who may just be freaking out.
And obviously this may just be a regular old de-committment, however with the timing it is hard to believe it did not play a part.
The ND accusations just struck me as sour grapes. As if the only way a kid would leave OSU and then even consider ND would be if he was getting paid. Yeah, it'd be a little weird for him to commit to ND, but then I think that it's weird that any kid would commit to ND.
"@ramzyn Anzalone found out yesterday he'd been in photos/chatting with a Buckeye fan with a penchant for underage boys. I'd be freaked out too."
Plus his name is Anzalone. Coincidence?
I think based off the info that is out there right now, it doesn't really merit a decommitment. However, I think the two have something to do with each other and maybe there is more to the story. Three recruits are together on a visit and take a picture with this guy, maybe this was somehow permitted by Ohio before they knew and Anzalone now doesn't have the same trust he once had for the school.
But then again, I have no idea.
I disagree because I don't think as many recruits commit to the school. If that's the case for Anzalone, this would (and in my opinion should) be enough reaosn to de-commit.
I don't think this has to do with OSU, it is the fact he was around a registered sex offender who obviously has more access than a typical fan would, and is always contacting the players and recruits on twitter. This could have been at any school, and it certainly would have made me feel very uncomfortable enough to reconsider things.
Also, these are 17/18 year olds. I'm sure that have been lesser reasons for a de-committment/committment. This is a totally legimate one to me.
I hope you guys realize that a strong OSU is good for us... Hoke and Meyer I hope will take the rivalry back to what it was, and put the two teams at the forefront of college football again... We (Michigan) didn't do our part for a decade now. So if you are reveling in this info bringing down OSU, just know that its not in our best interest.
Yes and no. A strongish Ohio is good for us. One like they had in the 90s. It's certainly not good for us if they're too strong.
Agreed. I want Ohio back to where they were in the Cooper years, when they would plow through the Big Ten, come into The Game ranked in the top 5, and lose to us in humiliating fashion.
when they were getting pounded by powers like Case and Oberlin and we had great rivals like Minnesota and Chicago.
But that's just me, and I'm vindictive.
A strong Ohio throughout the 2000's hasn't worked out so well for us. It is nice to have competitive games but I am not advocating they land every top 100 recruit. That would make it significantly more challenging to beat them.
but with a level playing field we'll be fine.
A strong OSU is good for us. I don't need them to be dominant though.
Agree... a couple of kids decommiting is not going to make them weak somehow.
Alex Anzalone will not be the difference between a strong OSU and a floundering one. He could, however, be a real pain in the ass for the next 4/5 years and it definitely helps our cause with him going elsewhere.
High flying spread offense, kids decommitting, other B1G coaches complaining about recruiting tactics. Anyone else think this sounds familiar?
They're similar except for the whole won-2-national-championships-in-the-SEC thing.
I strongly doubt that this has anything to do with the Waugh story.
Was Neal also contacted by this Waugh individual? If he was then that might lend more credence to the idea that the recruits are worried about that whole issue, especially with what happened at Penn State. However, if not, then there might be some other things brewing in Columbus leading to this. Most likely it is a combination of several things. Although some Buckeye fan who dabbles in pedophilia was tweeting Anzalone and interacting with him would seem incredibly distressing for Anzalone, completely eliminating Ohio seems odd. How could Meyer not at least smooth this over and offer to prove to the Anzalone family that their son can feel safe in Columbus? There must be more to the story.
If he decommits from OSU because of a sex scandal and then commits to Penn State, this will be too weird for words. Like Bizarro 2011.
Obviously, this doesn't even belong in the same frame as Sandusky.
There's no depth to my contempt for OSU, but - as of now - I'm not seeing that this is anything they did wrong. The compliance dept. did its due diligence and (zomg, phrasing!) fingered Waugh as a sex offender for everyone to STAY AWAY FROM. This isn't something they swept under a rug hoping that it'd go away, and to OSU's credit part of the reason it put up the big red arrow over Waugh's head was for their kids' protection.
It's also possible you don't know the whole story.
All I can think is Daddy would you like some sausage? Daddy would you like some sau-sag-es?
if these two thinsg really are related, I decline to take any pleasure in it. Too disturbing for genuine Shadenfreude.
Alex 11W @alex11w
Anzalone tells me there's a reason behind decommitment but he doesn't want to say and he doesn't think he'll reconsider OSU at this point
It seems strang to me that he wouldn't say what the reason was, and that he isn't even considering Ohio now. It either means something went severely wrong between him and the program, or that the Waugh thing did reall get to him.
Gedeon will be firm to Michigan, but I think Ohio takes a stab at McCray.
If McCray wanted to go to OSU, he would have waited for his shot. It's not like he waited until OSU was full at LB before he came to us. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure Meyer is regretting some of his decisions, but I don't see McCray flipping.
At this point we certainly don't know the whole story. While we're obviously not sad that this hurts Ohio, the most important thing is that there's no lasting damage to the lives of the high school kids involved here.
I can't believe my plan to become a registered sex offender in Kentucky and act like an OSU fan actually worked.
OT - I shudder to think what one has to do to make the sex offender list in Kentucky.
by Bangkok hookers.
Gut feeling says it has to do with the Waugh story in some way. Just too strange of timing otherwise. With Waugh being with Anzalone over the spring game weekend, some of us are wondering if he bought them a meal or something and the staff asked him to decommit to avoid any violations. Mark Pantoni tweeted something earlier about even meals are violations...
"I have a strong feeling Meyer's reaction to stuff like this will be the sort of thing Harry Truman would order to end a war. This dude won't be allowed within miles of Ohio State Football-and rightfully so. Some people just think they can insert themselves into something that doesn't want or need their participation. " - 11W user
I guess this means that Edward Rife (the tattoo parlor guy) and the Ohio Automobile Dealers Association are going to be very upset with Urban Meyer now, and indeed, they will feel quite betrayed. Their participation has been critical to this program for many years, after all...
So Urban's going to enter into a three year stalemate, fire his offensive coordinator, and leave it to his successor to arrange a settlement that will maintain the problem for sixty years?
That could happen anywhere. It's a shame.
Just a terrible situation.
Pure speculation but the whole thing seems strange. Did this creep try something with one of the recruits? Recruit reports to OHIO, OHIO frantically researches guy, texts warning, recruits start dropping.
"I'd give urban a B- right now. He's reopened the boarders and now this. Tressel's operation was much better. We are getting away from what we've been and that's winning the big ten, going to the rose bowl, and most especially beating Michigan. None of these seem to be a priority with meyer, let's face it Michigan is back because we lost our guy. "
This makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside. I would love nothing more than for Meyer to go down in flames at OSU, and even some OSU fans think it is a possibility.
I read that one, and my first thought about "reopen the boarders" is that obviously Meyer has something against people who seek meals or lodging, but given the potential that this could have arisen because of a known pedophile actively seeking out recruits on Twitter and trying to get photo opportunities (actual full story to come, I am sure), it makes me wonder if he really should have eviscerated some of the "boarders" (verbally, of course), given some of the things that had gone on in the previous administration, just to set the tone for the duration of the sanctions.
You couldn't really totally prevent things like this though, and this is pretty sad in that it really could be, as someone said, any program - unfortunately, such people are not confined to a particular fanbase.
Here is what Neal had to say to BleacherReport about why he decommited:
It's too personal, I can't tell you because then it'll end up everywhere. If everyone knew the real reason, then some of the fans wouldn't be coming at me like that. Because my reason is legit, and you would clearly understand. It has nothing to do with football, trust me!
In light of all this, could be connected
(I know he wasnt in the picture)
about the Neal's decommitment. Something is going down at OSU, and I don't think it's creepy pedo guy.
There's a thousand and one guys (hetero-, die-hard football nuts) out there who would love to have the opportunity to be in this position. Getting the scoop on recruits, hanging with the team etc...
WHO gets these chances?? Eiither someone with a lot of influence, or willing to spend a lot of money... not just cash in envelopes type stuff, but traveling/attending team functions etc.
Why aren't you and I there getting our photos? This guy had to be in or around for more than just 3 or 4 photos and twitter posts.
Why would recruits just "pick" him to do this with? There has to be some influence, like meals, a special tent to hang in, friend-of-someone type thing going on.
Pure speculation, but either thee has been:
1) Program was aware of him and preventing him from contacting team, so he turned to recruits who are mad they weren't warned, or
2) Impermissible benfits occured to draw these kids to him, and now OSU fears bringing these kids on while still in the shadow (and on probation) of Tresselgate
It will be very interesting to see what happens. I have to believe there'll be more to come.
...(and I think your #2 is a very likely explanation of what's going on here)...remember again that he's a registered offender. Can you imagine the media shitstorm that would fall on Ohio if the next person rumored to be giving impermissible benefits to OSU student athletes (and prospects) to get access to them happens to also be a registered sex offender?
Sarniac was just a warmup; Rife and his federal drug raid was a sterner test. But I'm not sure the diversionary tactics can work on this one--even if there doesn't turn out to be much meat on the story this time, this is the kind of thing people will not let go of.
Yeah, man, I think this one goes all the way to top!
"First and foremost, it sucks that some fuckhead on twitter is a pedophile and got involved in these kid's lives. I hope everyone is OK, and this fuckhead is dealt with accordingly."
"That being said, the opposing B1G football programs are scared b/c Urban Meyer and Ohio State joined forces. They know what's coming, and are trying everything to impede the ensuing football dominance. Like Jim Tressel, Urban Meyer is going to be responsible for other B1G coaches getting fired."
The first paragraph was a post by an understandably angry ohio fan. The second was a response to him by some utterly irrational, yet admirably defiant poster named "juventas".
The second guy may sound defiant but in reality is just voicing his own fears. While he claims that other programs will have their coaches fired because of his wishful fantasy about Ohio’ future dominance, the only real fact is this:
Ohio already had its coach fired.*
In fact, for at least the past half century, Ohio has had every one of its prior head coaches fired. .
While he may hope for a different outcome with Urban, Urban has proven himself to be a quitter, even when his team was not under major NCAA sanctions. He now faces completely unrealistic expectations, based on the record of the prior coach, who could succeed in Ohio only by cheating.
*in reality if not in record.
Yes, I was being a tad facetious when I wrote "admirably defiant". What I envisioned in my head was that semi-popular poster I used to see in the 80's with the ugly little mouse thrusting his middle finger up towards a huge, badass bald eagle that was swooping down on him with its talons extended. The bottom of the poster read "defiance", or "last great act of defiance", or something to that effect.
tied to the creeper recruit stalker. Ranging from rumor he worked at BWW (perhaps origin of his twitter handle) in Grandview and was handing out free food/drinks... to a mention of OSU Compliance tweet today reminding OSU fans that ANYTHING (food, drinks, shirts etc) could be deemed a violation and not to give stuff to student-atheletes... to suggesting that the "drinks" were not the kind that minors should be given (alcohol)...
...he became disenchanted with the Buckeyes coaching staff..."You don't want your son to go to a place...(like this)..You expect the (football) staff to have some sort of control on how things are handled with recruits.... This is ridiculous.
"I was concerned with what recruits do, and with them being allowed to visit these kind of places...That's the issue. You entrust people (at the school) to do the right thing."
I wonder where "these kind of places" the recruits were allowed to visit. Man, this could be very bad for Ohio considering their probationary status
So will we open back up to recruiting Anzalone now that E.J. chose FSU and we turned down O'Daniel(stupid in my opinion) just wondering what ACE and you other guys think.
I hope so. Kid seems to have good character.
But didn't the coaches tell Anzalone they were done at LB? I wonder if EJ was just that good or they thought he'd fill out into a DE? I'm a bit clueless but do have faith in the coaching staff to address team needs properly.