What are the odds that Anzalone re-commits to OSU at some point in time? I would guess the odds are pretty good.
It's Kalis-esque in some ways. Hell hath no fury like a Bucknut dissed (or something like that).
Hypothetically, if Anzalone wants to re-commit do you really think Urban would turn him away due to the vocal and crazy part of the OSU fan base? Also, do you not think the vocal and crazy part of the fan base wouldn't pivot so hard they get whiplash on all this?
Urban is going to keep recruiting him. Any coach would. There was a reason why Anzalone committed in the first place. Once things cool down, that reason will still be there for Anzalone. Remember, it is only May.
Similar to the Dunn scenario, I wouldn't be surprised if Urban saw this as a reason to let the kid go. I don't know how much exposure this has gotten over here, but apparently AA was in Gainesville before/during his decommitment. As we know, this is a big no-no for Mr. Meyer. You either commit, or you take visits, you can't do both.
I don't mean to sound like the bucknuts "we cooled on him" chorus, but Urban might see him as a guy who isn't cohesive to the program after this ordeal. Then again, he is a top talent, so we'll see how it unfolds.
I do not wish to be rude to a welcome guest from "enemy territory". But...aren't you saying Anzalone may have visited Gainesville before he commited to Ohio; which therefore caused Urban to reject an embarrassed recruit? You are not clear about the timing of the events, and this is all important to the relevance. A recruit visiting another school before they commit is not frowned upon at Michigan, I can safely say.
It is a travesty to suggest, as you do, the Anzalones are spewing forth bitter grapes or hatred for gays after being rejected by their favorite school; but, as your post suggests, all will be forgiven should the Anzalones get with the program: and I draw this conclusion has to be considered a possibility from what you allow due to your lack of clarity.
"AA was in Gainesville before/during his decommitment"
Translates to he visited Florida while still commited.
Uhhh, i just took a nap and woke up to find that I apparently suggested that the Anzalones hate gays? Can someone please explain this?
As for the rest of my post, I can see that the rest of the posters on the site do have the reading comprehension skills to understand my simply worded post, and have clarified it well, so thank you all.
I was taught "before/during" was to be roughly translated as "either before or during". Is there an English major in the house? Thank-you for any enlightenment and a source.
Not that I don't find the semantics highly relevant, but I'm not sure the relation of the two events in question, so my statement wasn't definitive. My apologies
As much as I can accept your apologies, please allow me to respond by saying, my deeper concern now for the purposes of this blog is about the "much exposure" of what is "apparently" disinformation about the Anzalones.
The problem is a disturbed and self-serving mentality out there is deserving of absolute censure, which will forever be devoted to an uncomprehending but influential body bent on slander and heedless of the propagation of corruption. All apologies are due the Anzalones.
Yet amidst your run-on sentence, you apparently miss the point by implying that I said anything negative against the Anzalones. I'll be the first to support his decision, a guy is allowed to choose whatever school he likes. So I won't be apologizing for being supportive, that doesn't make sense.
I was simply stating that perhaps AA tacitly took the "decommitment" choice out of his own hands, considering Meyer has a strict rule against visiting other programs while committed to OSU.
Like Tom said, that he was in Gainesville meant he was on a visit there. So rather than cutting the kid loose since he visited another school, he's just going to let the kid walk now and not really fight for him to stay
Or doing his due diligence on Urban?
Also think of it from Anzalone's perspective as a 17 yr old boy... his connection to ohio will forever be known as the kid in the picture with his arm around the pedophile. I imagine he will want to distance himself as far as he can from that "creepy feeling," no matter how rational or not. Add that to the plethora of personal attacks against him and his father ramping up out of ohio, and I would be quite surprised if he recommited to ohio. In fact, it would be quite a coup by Meyer to get him to recommit.
We arent a rumor sight are we? Being a sex offender and a pedophile are not one in the same in most cases. And this isnt one of them.
I'd say that possession of kiddie porn makes you a pedophile. This isn't a dude who's on the sex offenders list for getting caught taking a piss on the golf course.
but I don't think you are going to find much support here.
the MGoBoard's superheated reaction to the initial story was unseemly. On a scale of "Mike Valenti to Brian Cook," where Mike Valenti represents the lowest-intelligence over-reactive moutbreathing fan, and where Brian Cook represents the most urbane, articulate, discerning and intellectually honest commentary, the MGoBoard reaction to L'Affaire Anzalone rated about a 97.1.
It's a fine distinction in this case, considering he was convicted of downloading dirty pictures of children under the age of 16. We don't know exactly what ages they were. Technically, pedophilia involves kids 13 and under. But that's just a general rule. So he's a sex offender whose crimes involved children...
Plus I'm not sure OSU wants a player whose father publicly accused the school of being irresponsible and kind of sleazy. The charges would be brought up constantly if the kid stayed.
It's great when Ohio State fans expose themselves for what they really are in cases like this, but then think that anyone would actually want to go and play for a school with such a batshit-crazy fanbase.
I'd say pretty slim. I'm reading this piece as a way to take some of the heat off that they are no doubt feeling. By telling the OHIO faithful that they are still in play, they're hoping the fanbase will cool down a bit.
Exactly. That just sounded like a guy that wants no part of this story and the publicity, so he's throwing a bone to Urban and Ohio. I seriously doubt he's telling exactly how he feels about Ohio, he just wants to get out of the crosshairs of all the crazies.
If Anzalone's potential future teamates at Ohio engaged in behaviors objectionable to the Anzalone family, I would suggest this seriously weighs against any recommit. To some extent, it depends on how bad the behavior is by them perceived to be in the larger picture.
I think there were almost certainly many other witnesses to the events; yet, I hear nothing but crickets. It smells bad; very bad.
"The academic opportunities are tremendous"
Insert laugh track here.
That's a little unfair to speculate, the kid's dad is a doctor, so he's probably been pushed academically.. If he has a good ACT score and solid grades, it isn't unreasonable that he makes it into the Honors College.
Florida also offered him Honors affiliation
While clearly not as tremendous an academic institution as Michigan, OSU is generally considered to be somewhere in the top 50-100 universities in the world. That's at least sort of tremendous.
Top 50-100 university in the US =/= top 50-100 university in the world.
Technically, OSU is ranked #111 in the world.
PSU #94, ND #223, UF #161.... Michigan #14.
While Notre Dame's undergraduate programs consistently rank among the nation's best, the same cannot be said about its graduate programs.
And it does little in the way of research, public works, etc. Also, the school, like its football team, is perennially overrated. I think great liberal arts education, I don't think ND.
If Anzalone happens to want to study climate records from high elevation ice cores then OSU is the best school in the world for that. OSU has lots of very good majors, some that are even great. If a student at any school wants to take an easy route, they can. If a student at any school wants to challenge themselves and grow as a student and person, they can.
The meme that OSU some awful school needs to die in a fire.
You're totally correct. In my opinion, you can't really go wrong attending any Big 10 school, and to a lesser extent, any school in the major football conferences. Big state schools offer fantastic resources and opportunities for students who are willing to work for them.
OSU is actually a really good school that has come a very long way towards increasing its reputation. Its reputation as an academic tire fire comes from an old statutory requirement to admit any high school graduate from Ohio. The policy killed its graduation rate and its average test scores/GPA.
The University of Wyoming has the same policy here, since the school is the only state funded 4 year college in Wyoming. It really does drag down the median scores of a lot of metrics. A lot of the conditionally accepted students, once they acclimate to college, thrive just as much as the high scoring students.
This is mostly off topic, but judging a university based on the average scores of incoming students is a bit daft since higher eduction isn't about a measured starting point of the students, nor the ending point when they graduate, but the difference between the two.
Your peers and competition. If any HS grad gets in, the competition goes down. A school that admits its state HS grads can never be elite.
I'd agree with a lot of that, but OSU's mission was to educate the people of Ohio. Everyone had a shot, but many of them failed out or quit when it became apparent that college wasn't for them. After the first couple of semesters, the cohort of students became an awful lot like the students at any other big state school--which isn't all that bad.
I'd argue that giving everyone a shot isn't necessarily a bad policy at a state school. High school educations are so widely disperate in quality that it may make sense to let students try college if they want to try it. The point of public education isn't necessarily to be number one in arbitrary rankings, but to improve society through educating the school's constituency. It's not like any of the schools have to pass everyone.
Note also that we simply can't have the same selectivity when we can accomodate around 15 thousand more undergrads than UM/many other large public schools. OSU is a massive school, and so more people get in, it's inherent. I don't like the stigma that it's not a good school, it's ranked among the top 20 or so public universities in many programs, and really isnt that far behind UM in overall ranking.
why does it both you so much that others denigrate it's academic standings, especially arrogant Michigan fans. Relax, Ohio is a fine University, though quite far behind Michigan.
To IrrationalBuckeye if you think that ohio is close to UM in academics. Your cred has been lost.
On the list of all Public Schools in the University, of which there are hundreds, I don't think #4 and #17 are all that disparate, but no one is forcing you to agree with me.
...by the one from Thermopolis:
It has some good programs, yes. You can get a fine education there. But a very good school overall? Look at all the major rankings of major universities. OSU consistently ranks in the middling group, nowhere near M, NW, and Wisky. Not a bad school at all. Just nothing special. Like MSU.
My Michigan arrogance compels me to keep this meme alive
What else are you drinking?
I'm guessing the real reason why Anzalone decommitted was because his dad is a Florida grad and he probably heard some pretty bad things about Meyer from Florida people. The picture incident just gave them a reason to decommit.
So, Urban's call was clearly to tell Sal that he better retract quickly or face the OSU legal machine. This kid ain't going to Ohio. Just more strong-arm tactics from a school and coach that get 'er done.
or face the OSU legal machine
I tend to agree - sounds like UM put the screws to Dr. Anzalone. He's doing too much tap-dancing for it to be anything else.
What screws can he use on the kid's father? In the media, Urban can't even mention Anzalone without commiting a violation, while Anazalone could totally trash Meyer if he wanted.
The good doctor just wants his family out of the media glare and maybe felt he went a little overboard after Urban called with his side (spin) of the story.
Reading between the lines, I get the sense that some of the fans around town were acting like lunatics when they found out who the recruits were. Those people are going to exist everywhere, but Anzalone probably ran into a couple of particularly egregious offenders and, when combined with the sex offender thing, pushed him over the edge.
I don't think it was just fans--I suspect his social experience on campus with current players was a bit different from what he, or more precisely his father, was expecting.
The comment that they shouldn't be "taking him to these kinds of places" was telling. That wasn't a reference to Buffalo Wild Wings, or someplace where there were some nutty fans. That was a trip to a strip joint or a brothel or Rife's tat parlor or maybe just an over-the-top wild on-campus party, something that offended the sensibilities of the family. I can't think of anything else that would quite fit the comments from the dad.
The amount of biased speculation in this post is a bit much. This kid didn't go to a brothel or strip club. A picture of him with a registered sex offender showed up in the media. If it was your son, wouldn't you lose it a bit? Anzalone didn't get taken to Amsterdam, come on.
your post would be yet another example of biased speculation.
"I was concerned with what recruits do and with them being allowed to visit these kind of places where it puts kids at risk."
If all that happened was that a picture, taken at a Buffalo Wild Wings, of my son with a registered sex offender showed up in the media, the focus of my anger wouldn't be on the fact that he was taken to a restaurant. Whoever he might have had the misfortune to meet there, this is not the kind of place typically thought of as "putting kids at risk." I'd be saying something like "being allowed to meet these kinds of people", not complaining about BW3.
And it's kind of funny that a Buckeye fan thinks you have to go to Amsterdam to find a place like Rife's tat parlor or that there aren't any slimy strip clubs around your town.
For what it's worth, though, you might be right that it didn't happen in town. When Smith was at ASU they always kept it on campus, didn't they?
This is just damage control by Papa Anzalone. His initial statements were pretty strong, and once he realized the fallout he wanted to get the spotlight off of him and his family. In cases like this, I'll trust the initial reaction over the post-hoc politically correct one.
Sounds like his goal is to reduce the noise surrounding his comments, but I'm not sure this helps him do that. This is such a massive 180, that now I really want to know what's going on. Why would you say 'there's something wrong with Ohio State' or whatever it was, and then completely reverse position the next day when the media asks you about it? Were these just poorly chosen words in the midst of an emotional time for him? Or was there something going on, and he just doesn't want to deal with the media backlash? What did he discuss with Meyer on Friday night?
I guess there is some possible scenario where he ends up there, but for my money I agree with the posters above who think Anzalone to OSU is not happening in all likelihood... this is just too weird / noisy / negative at this point.
From reading the article, it seems to me that this is exactly what Sal Anzalone is trying to do, and it might very well help as time goes on, but perhaps not in the short-term as it seems the Ohio fanbase, for the time being, has come alive with vitriol directed at him.
His initial remarks obviously sparked a reaction from the crazies of the Ohio fanbase (also the instantaneous curiosity of throngs of reporters from countless media markets who wanted a story about further problems at an already punished program) which he was not prepared to deal with, and he is once again looking out for his family by making an effort to take the wind out of the sails of at least a few people by saying what he has here. Probably a smart move regardless of actual feelings.
To be completely fair, as many on the board have pointed out, this really could happen anywhere to any institution - schools can't guarantee the behavior or nature of inidividual fans inside their fanbases, so from that perspective, what he is saying makes sense. Can some do a better job perhaps monitoring the access people have to recruits and events? More than likely, but it isn't a foolproof thing.
As for the phone call from Urban, it was probably a phone call Urban felt he should make, and really, he probably should have if for no other reason than to apologize on behalf of the program and the university - in other words, to do some damage control. Because of how awkward this story would make things, I would be surprised if Anzalone ended up at Ohio. I don't think it would have been in good taste for Urban to call solely because of the decommitment, or at least, I would hope that Meyer is at least that adept socially.
Also, is anyone else disgusted (but also 0% surprised) at the commenters from 11w and other Ohio State boards that are directing their fire at Anzalone's dad for - heaven forbid! - looking out for his son's best interests?
Buckeyes gonna buck.
After their reactions to Herbstreit and then Kalis, I would be shocked if they DIDN'T have this reaction...
Anyone have any insights as to what the paywalled Rivals article "Anzalone Speaks" has to add to the story?
Probably did the retraction just to get the fanatics to stop harassing his son. You know the backlash had to be fierce ala Kyle Kalis. I don't think Anzalone winds up at tsiO, because of their fans, harassing him. How ironic would it be for Anzalone to wind up at Florida
Interesting if anzalone and bosa decide on Florida. Would really chap Meyer's hide.
Any chance he considers Maize and Blue now? We originally told him we were full, but perhaps that was based on an assumed Levenberry commitment... Now that he's gone, perhaps Anzalone would be welcome?
No. Anazlone is not coming to Michigan.
We're pretty stacked at LB, I think the dline and WR are priorities now
Agreed. Gedeon is a similar style of LB to Anzalone and McCray just won the NFTC MVP, so we should be all set.
Not to mention the coaches prioritized Gedeon when they told Anzalone that we were full at LB even before Gedeon committed
Also, if there were shenanigans during the kid's on-campus visit, I'm sure OSU let him know that it's interest to not let anyone open that door.
I can't hold this in anymore. This will probably get me negged for being weird and off-topic, but everytime time I see something on Alex Anzalone, my mind reads his last name as Anal Zone. I will never be able to take this kid seriously because his name sounds like a booth at an adult video convention. There, I said it.
Don't feel bad... you're not the first on this board to come up with that disrespectful anagram for this 17 yr old boy. The first couple of posts that put it forward were deleted by the mods.
So what you are saying is that the mods were butthurt about anal zone? Heh.
What are the odds, the NCAA comes snooping around Columbus again, because of some of the press this story got?
Because they got so mad at OSU last time?
I'm not even sure the NCAA has their wet noodle ready for another Buckeye lashing.
I think there is definitely more to the story. There are rumors that the kids went to a Buffalo Wild Wings and were served beer and given food for free. I don't understand how the guy is not a booster if this is true. I really hope the kid is ok. It honestly has to be really stressful to him. I definitely don't wish for anything like this to happen to anybody even if they are committed to Ohio. I think the media and some of the crazy fans should leave him alone for a while so he can concentrate on other things for a little while.
The rumer that they were given beer is baseless and is a nothing more than a strategy to make a possible minor violation seem much worse. Buffalo Wild Wings is 5 minutes from the stadium, practically on campus. Reports have press and some assistant coaches/managers there at the same time. These kids weren't drinking, weren't served beer, and wouldn't do something that dumb in front of the media and members of the staff even if they were. At the very most, they were given some free food and just didn't think twice about it.
The BdubsGuru story broke after Anzalone had reportedly visited UF, and most likely only played a small role.
that OSU posters tried to use before tattoo-gate and the evidence of monetary payoffs to athletes. You cite unsubtantiated "reports" about the incident to deny what you say are unsubstantiated reports.
The initial statement by Anzalone and his father suggest that there were things going on that they did not want to discuss. The picture of Anzalone pointing at the Ohio fan/sexual predator seems consistent the appearance of someone under the influence. Then we hear reports that students got beer. So far, that version sounds at least as plausible as your account.
PS I heard a "rumer" that you don't know how to spell rumor. You repeat the same error. Great education you guys get at Ohio.
The whole Waugh/BW3 free wings and beer story is just a strategic distraction from the coke and strippers rumor, to make a serous criminal issue seem like it's just a minor infraction...no, wait, that's not what they told me to say, um...
Oh, never mind.
No matter the outcome, this is probably not something Urban Meyer figured he'd be dealing with two weeks after the spring game.
Hopefully Ohio State fans and the media give him just as hard of a time as they all gave Rich Rodriguez.
should keep his mouth shut.
E.G. What father says the word beef (not cow) in a public statement to a newspaper?
P.S. I use that kind of slang in my everyday talk, but not at work.
I'd be shocked if he ends up at OSU now. I think UFM would take him, but the awkwardness generated by the whole situation is too much. I don't at all blame the kid for wanting to rethink his commitment or his Dad for being concerned. It's just a sad, terrible situation all around. I do think Sal's comments to the local paper were unwarranted and emotional rather than thought out. With the millions of fans for any program there are bound to be some that are registered sex offenders/pedophiles. If someone is out in public at a restaraunt or walking in Columbus, the staff and school can't screen every person that a recruit might see. I think the OSU athletic department handled it about as well as anyone could. The immediate action to alert athletes/recruits about the guy so that they knew who they were dealing with is what any parent should ask of the school. Regardless, Alex should figure out what is best for him and move on.
did anyone else read his name as Analzone at first?!